Re: Lost sources [was: Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-21 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Don Armstrong wrote: Yes, but this isn't something that a sane upstream is ever going to do, so it's not worth discussing much. [And frankly, if it's something that upstream does do, one should strongly question whether Debian should actually be distributing the work in

Re: Lost sources [was: Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-21 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Ken Arromdee wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Don Armstrong wrote: Yes, but this isn't something that a sane upstream is ever going to do, so it's not worth discussing much. [And frankly, if it's something that upstream does do, one should strongly

Re: Lost sources [was: Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-21 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Francesco Poli wrote: However, we also have to consider this: in some cases, when the uncompressed form is hundreds of times larger than the compressed form, the former may be really unpractical to handle. In those cases, maybe we prefer to use some compressed form to make

Re: Lost sources [was: Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-20 Thread Mark Weyer
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 03:47:39PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Mark Weyer wrote: Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, let me rephrase my scenario: Someone modifies a GPLed work, say a program written in C. Between compiling and distributing, he deliberately

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-18 Thread Hendrik Weimer
Noel David Torres Taño env...@rolamasao.org writes: Sure, it should be - what happens if it no longer exists? That seems quite possible for a years-old journal paper. It can happen that the scientific paper has non-free copyright: it uses to be attributed to the journal where first

Re: Lost sources [was: Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-18 Thread Mark Weyer
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 01:25:57PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011, Mark Weyer wrote: I always thought that such distribution would be in breach of the GPL, or more generally of copyleft. After all, it is impossible to distinguish, from the outside, between lost and secret

Re: Lost sources [was: Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Mark Weyer wrote: Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding, let me rephrase my scenario: Someone modifies a GPLed work, say a program written in C. Between compiling and distributing, he deliberately deletes the C files. Then he distributes the compiled binary. By

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:57:24 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Mark Weyer wrote: On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 07:39:58PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:26:39 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Sure, it should be - what happens if [the source] no longer exists? That seems quite

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-16 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli wrote: [...] It's true that there's no clear definition of the term source code in the DFSG text, but the most accepted definition of source in the context of Free Software has been the one found in the GNU GPL, for quite a long time. Are you sure it's the most accepted? I

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-16 Thread MJ Ray
Paul Wise wrote: This seems to be the definition used by the ftp-masters, they have rejected packages containing PDF files that looked like they were generated before and this is explicitly mentioned in the REJECT-FAQ: Source missing: Your packages contains files that need source but do not

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-16 Thread Walter Landry
MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: [...] It's true that there's no clear definition of the term source code in the DFSG text, but the most accepted definition of source in the context of Free Software has been the one found in the GNU GPL, for quite a long time. Are

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-16 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:26:39 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: [...] It's true that there's no clear definition of the term source code in the DFSG text, but the most accepted definition of source in the context of Free Software has been the one found in the GNU GPL, for

Lost sources [was: Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?]

2011-03-16 Thread Mark Weyer
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 07:39:58PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:26:39 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Sure, it should be - what happens if [the source] no longer exists? That seems quite possible for a years-old journal paper. This seems to be a FAQ... Well, if some

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
[...] It is doubtful that the PostScript files are the source code referred to by DFSG item 2. More likely is that the source files are TeX documents. Cool, where is the agreed clearer version of DFSG 2 that says what it means by source code? I feel it's a grey area, so if the PS files

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-15 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
tag 614525 - pending thanks Hi Joerg On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 09:26:33AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: [...] It is doubtful that the PostScript files are the source code referred to by DFSG item 2. More likely is that the source files are TeX documents. Cool, where is the agreed clearer

scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
Hi debian-legal I'm in the process of preparing a NMU for autoclass [1]. During checking the package I encountered the two postscript files kdd-95.ps and tr-fia-90-12-7-01.ps . Both are awailable from [2]. Can these be shipped in the source and binary package? [1] http://bugs.debian.org/614525

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread MJ Ray
Salvatore Bonaccorso asked: I'm in the process of preparing a NMU for autoclass [1]. During checking the package I encountered the two postscript files kdd-95.ps and tr-fia-90-12-7-01.ps . Both are awailable from [2]. Can these be shipped in the source and binary package? [1]

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
Hi! On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:09:39AM +, MJ Ray wrote: Salvatore Bonaccorso asked: I'm in the process of preparing a NMU for autoclass [1]. During checking the package I encountered the two postscript files kdd-95.ps and tr-fia-90-12-7-01.ps . Both are awailable from [2]. Can

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Salvatore Bonaccorso car...@debian.org wrote:  [2] http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/tech/rse/synthesis-projects-applications/autoclass/autoclass-c/ Both of these files have lines like the following in their header: %%Creator: dvipsk 5.521a Copyright 1986, 1993 Radical

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread MJ Ray
Paul Wise wrote: [...] It is doubtful that the PostScript files are the source code referred to by DFSG item 2. More likely is that the source files are TeX documents. Cool, where is the agreed clearer version of DFSG 2 that says what it means by source code? I think one is deep into language

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop [110314 16:09]: Paul Wise wrote: [...] It is doubtful that the PostScript files are the source code referred to by DFSG item 2. More likely is that the source files are TeX documents. Cool, where is the agreed clearer version of DFSG 2 that says what it means

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:09:00 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Paul Wise wrote: [...] It is doubtful that the PostScript files are the source code referred to by DFSG item 2. More likely is that the source files are TeX documents. Cool, where is the agreed clearer version of DFSG 2 that says

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread Mark Weyer
In addition to the points already covered by Bernhard and Francesco: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 03:09:00PM +, MJ Ray wrote: WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]: source code n : program instructions written as an ASCII text file; must be translated by a compiler or interpreter or

Re: scientific paper in package only in postscript form non-free?

2011-03-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:09 PM, MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Paul Wise wrote: [...] It is doubtful that the PostScript files are the source code referred to by DFSG item 2. More likely is that the source files are TeX documents. Cool, where is the agreed clearer version of DFSG 2 that