Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Måns Rullgård
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: The only problem is when you start loading both GPL plugins and GPL-incompatible plugins. Here, your license is irrelevant; it's the plugin licenses that are in conflict. A permissive license shouldn't add any new problems, at least. There is a

Re: Bug#221761: elfutils: licence seems not DFSG-free, was: Open Software License and patent/reciprocity issues (fwd)

2003-12-08 Thread MJ Ray
It seems that the maintainer doesn't object too strongly about this. The bug is 221761 and now titled Please remove elfutils from the archive -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 06 Dec 2003, Måns Rullgård wrote: In my particular case, a plugin must implement one or more predefined interfaces. Several implementations of an interface can (and do) exist independently. Does this affect the situation in any way? Yes,

Re: Binaries under GPL(2)

2003-12-08 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Alexander Cherepanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] What prevents you from distributing binaries produced from sources under Section 2? Hm, that's a good question. It seems to be another wording oversight. -- Henning MakholmJeg køber intet af Sulla, og selv om uordenen griber

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Måns Rullgård
Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In my particular case, a plugin must implement one or more predefined interfaces. Several implementations of an interface can (and do) exist independently. Does this affect the situation in any way? Yes, assuming one of those implementation's

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 09:35:15AM -0700, Joel Baker wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 03:25:01PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: If the code was licensed under something that was not GPL compliant, the issue is less clear. I'd guess that it is probably a no for most libraries, save ones with

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Jeremy Hankins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: Then read the section Can I use the GPL for a plug-in for a non-free program? in the GPL FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF If there are any other interpretations of that section, please enlighten me. When we see a plugin

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Måns Rullgård
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we see a plugin written under the GPL for a GPL-incompatible work, we have two choices: - Assume the author of the plugin was confused, and that the plugin isn't even distributable, or - Assume that the author intends that the plugin have an

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Jeremy Hankins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want a simply answer, the answer is: No (insert disclaimers here) as others have pointed out. As someone said, writing is always allowed, it's distribution that's restricted. True as far as the GPL is

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 09:27:30AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: Then read the section Can I use the GPL for a plug-in for a non-free program? in the GPL FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF If there are any other

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Arnoud Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I understand the FSF correctly, they claim that a package containing both 'afe' and the 'barnitz' plugin is a derivative work of the 'barnitz' plugin. Afe by itself of course isn't a derivative, but someone who bundles

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: I don't know the details of who writes the SSL support for Konq or how it's done, nor do I have any machines with Konqueror on them in front of me right now, so I can't comment on that. Ah, found it --

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 03:09:06PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Ah, found it -- Debian KDE list, late July 2002: Konqueror doesn't link against OpenSSL. It runs a separate process (kcm_crypto, it looks like), which links against openssl... but does so in a way that *doesn't* invoke

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: What I'm trying to find out is, whether or not it's allowed to write a plugin, using GPL,d libraries, for a program with MIT license, for which there also exists plugins using OpenSSL (or anything

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: What I'm trying to find out is, whether or not it's allowed to write a plugin, using GPL,d libraries, for a program with MIT license, for which there also exists plugins using OpenSSL (or anything

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: I don't know the details of who writes the SSL support for Konq or how it's done, nor do I have any machines with Konqueror on them in front of me right now, so I can't comment on that. Ah, found it -- Debian KDE list, late July 2002: Konqueror

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:20:16AM -0600, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:44:13AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 09:27:30AM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: When we see a plugin written under the GPL for a

Re: Binaries under GPL(2)

2003-12-08 Thread Walter Landry
Alexander Cherepanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4-Dec-03 20:44 Walter Landry wrote: Alexander Cherepanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 30-Nov-03 16:37 Don Armstrong wrote: If you read section 2 this way, then there is no need for a section 3 at all. And that (together with the intention of

Re: Binaries under GPL(2)

2003-12-08 Thread Alexander Cherepanov
8-Dec-03 11:15 Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Alexander Cherepanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] What prevents you from distributing binaries produced from sources under Section 2? Hm, that's a good question. It seems to be another wording oversight. I can't get rid of the thought that there is