Re: Does DFSG#2 apply to non-programs? [was: Re: generated source files, GPL and DFSG]

2005-07-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:28:23AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:17:35 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: I think that clauses 6, 7, and 8 are applicable to documentation and data as well as to programs, and I think that they're rules that Debian should follow for everything

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
** Jeff Licquia :: On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 11:14 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: I find this discussion ultimately absurd. Debian is *not* distributing a derivative work. Debian does *not* distribute a work that includes both plugins/libraries. The fact that the things are

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Re: Does DFSG#2 apply to non-programs? [was: Re: generated source files, GPL and DFSG]

2005-07-27 Thread Raul Miller
On 7/27/05, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, I don't? I said that the other guidelines are *applicable* to non-program works, and *should be applied* to non-program works -- not that, as presently written, we are obliged to apply them to non-program works. I'd prefer to approach

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:05 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: First of all, Debian GNU/Linux is *NOT* a derivative work of OpenSSL, GStreamer, nor any of its plugins. A derivative work has a definition in the statute (in the US case, 17USC). Hmm. I suppose this is part and parcel of the

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Humberto Massa Guimarães
** Jeff Licquia :: On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:05 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: First of all, Debian GNU/Linux is *NOT* a derivative work of OpenSSL, GStreamer, nor any of its plugins. A derivative work has a definition in the statute (in the US case, 17USC). Hmm. I suppose this

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/27/05, Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:05 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: First of all, Debian GNU/Linux is *NOT* a derivative work of OpenSSL, GStreamer, nor any of its plugins. A derivative work has a definition in the statute (in the US case,

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2005-07-27 Thread Francesco Poli
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Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 14:42 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: ** Jeff Licquia :: On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:05 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: First of all, Debian GNU/Linux is *NOT* a derivative work of OpenSSL, GStreamer, nor any of its plugins. A derivative work has a

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 12:00 -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: The message to which I pointed you has a link back into the main fray (threads with titles like Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement, GPL and linking, and What makes software copyrightable anyway?). I've put

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/27/05, Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does such compilation in itself give Debian any rights on its own, or is the compilation seen as non-copyrightable? The collective work (special case of compilation) that is a Debian CD is copyrightable. The copyright covers the creative

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/27/05, Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me for asking, but why is this monograph not freely available? Surely, as a non-lawyer, you have no hope of profiting from it, and having a succint, linkable statement of your arguments would do wonders for preventing such go-arounds as

Re: Does DFSG#2 apply to non-programs?

2005-07-27 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:52:15 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 12:28:23AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: [...] I fail to understand how you justify your reading of program as program in DFSG#2 while you read program as work in the other guidelines at the same time. Uh, I