Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 10:06:01AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf a écrit : Excess repetition makes many of us regulars pay less attention to the topics. I'll mention this specific example, trying not to make it into an ad-hominem: Francesco has a *great* license comprehension and comparison skill, much

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2013/9/3 Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org Le Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 10:06:01AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf a écrit : Excess repetition makes many of us regulars pay less attention to the topics. I'll mention this specific example, trying not to make it into an ad-hominem: Francesco has a *great*

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Miriam Ruiz wrote: I wasn't planning on participating in this discussion but, as you said, it has gotten so out of proportions that I thought it wouldn't be that bad after all. I share Charles' and Gunnar's point of view, I appreciate Francesco's

Re: [OT] Re: AGPL request for summary of recent discussion

2013-09-03 Thread MJ Ray
On 02/09/13 21:27, Thorsten Glaser wrote: MJ Ray mjr at phonecoop.coop writes: whether software follows the DFSG or not, yet the number of subscribers seems to be generally increasing towards some asymptote http://lists.debian.org/stats/debian-legal.png You know that l.d.o is not the only

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread MJ Ray
On 01/09/13 16:39, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: Perhaps you'd be interested in helping: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/01/msg00043.html I'll make a better attempt to move this forwards later, but just as a status update on that suggestion: I think Charles and I both subscribed to

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread MJ Ray
On 02/09/13 16:06, Gunnar Wolf wrote: But when an issue becomes such a FAQ (or FRT - Frequently Repeated Topic), more efficient ways should be found. For example, we could request the listmasters to add this information as a (short, one-line) disclaimer to every post to the list, together with

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread MJ Ray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/09/13 04:13, Steve Langasek wrote: Francesco, if you want to get Debian to *change its position* on licenses where you think an error has been made, please start a discussion in an appropriate forum such as debian-project and Cc: the ftp

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Miriam Ruiz dijo [Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 08:43:22AM +0200]: I wasn't planning on participating in this discussion but, as you said, it has gotten so out of proportions that I thought it wouldn't be that bad after all. I share Charles' and Gunnar's point of view, I appreciate Francesco's

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Langasek dijo [Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 08:13:30PM -0700]: (...) Since Francesco has made it clear that he has no intention to stop his abusive use of debian-legal (see below) or even recognize why his behavior is problematic, I am asking the listmasters to ban him from this mailing list.

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 08:04:20AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Steve Langasek dijo [Mon, Sep 02, 2013 at 08:13:30PM -0700]: So, my request is for you _not_ to ban him, but for Francesco to tone down. Yes, this might re-escalate later on, and things might be re-evaluated. But talking about

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 03:29:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: I think that this discussion is going completely out of proportions. Francesco always makes sure that his replies contain an informative answer. In the last part of his emails, he adds his point of view in a way that it is very

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Clark C. Evans
Francesco Poli has been a longtime subscriber to the debian-legal mailing list. He has quite extensive knowledge about licensing, and is often the first person to answer inquiries about new licenses sent to the list. Not only that, but he reaches out to help you personally and does an

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 11:08:17AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 03:29:27PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: I think that this discussion is going completely out of proportions. Francesco always makes sure that his replies contain an informative answer. In the last

Re: data and software licence incompatabilities?

2013-09-03 Thread Philip Paradis
While I may be considered a lurker on these lists, I have found Francesco's feedback consistently insightful and thoughtful. I may not always agree with some aspects of his views, but I fully believe a ban would be an unwarranted and brash measure. Regards, Philip Paradis On 9/3/13 07:58 ,