anyone to revert to plain
GPL (to allow adding code from your project to plain-GPL projects).
See the Guile exception clause for an example.
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So it seems the DFSG is (at least) dual-licensed.
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without invariant
sections. So the FDL
with this addendum should be fully ok for Debian.
It's not.
A good summary of the issues is at
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On 20050606T165853-0400, Jeff King wrote:
So what's wrong with a license like:
You may do anything with this work that you would with a work in the
public domain.
I have occasionally used the following notice:
Written by Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho. You may treat this file as if it
were
belong to debian-legal, not
debian-mentors, so I'm crossposting.
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a kind of postcardware. Are we really obligated to send
Stanford thousands of copies of the source? If yes, then we cannot
distribute the program.
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and TeX are free
software (although I personally would tell people not to use either
license, but that's just me).
BTW, TeX is not in the public domain. Its license is quite hard to
decipher, although it is generally considered free.
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against the syscalls is considered use and not
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no
jurisdiction there..
Wrong. teTeX is a software distribution like Debian. Does the GPL not have
any jurisdiction in Debian if we chose some other license?
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... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications
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... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ...
(Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220)
against it ;-)
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is
Are these point 1 and 2 conjunctive or disjunctive (ie. are they ANDed
or ORred)? This should IMHO be clearly specified in the license.
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on input I got on IRC. (Actually,
it seems upstream will change the license for the specs but I don't
know if this comes soon enough for potato.
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readers to have to pay to log onto the online services with the
story or buy a copy of the paper? The former is probably fair
use, the latter probably aren't.
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On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 10:14:15AM +, Mike Goldman wrote:
I don't think the license is a problem anyhow, here's my analyis.
... which does not address the two specific points I raised in my
original mail. I am not convinced.
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that modification is allowed...
And what about the binaries?
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.
This is almost a FAQ already...
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that a
distribution meets these requirements.
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on the VMware site any permission to distribute anything,
so that'll give us only the option of an installer. Of course, you
could mail them and ask for distribution permission - if you get it,
this would be enough to allow it to go to non-free.
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the right to observe how the program works to determine the methods
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On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 12:19:12AM -0800, Joseph Carter wrote:
Nope, this is fine. Use is covered by the Fair Use provision of Copyright
law. The fonts are free.
Is this the n+1th abuse of Fair Use, or do you actually have some
arguments supporting that claim?
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are explicitly enumerated in Finnish copyright law.
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is not the answer here ;-)
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pages the result took. (Well, the projects I have been involved in were
nonfiction but nevertheless...)
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that there's an issue. If the program is being distributed with
both, then it comes down to which the program is configured to use.
What if it's distributed with neither of them, and it just build-depends
on the readline API?
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On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 03:13:22PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 08:09:41PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
What if it's distributed with neither of them, and it just
build-depends on the readline API?
That sounds like an artificial situation. Who is going
, and it is either sold, or
transferred to heirs or debtors. It does not cease to exist (if it did,
then there would be no copyright and hence the work would be in the PD).
IANAL, and I know very little of law outside Finland.
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On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 10:56:44AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote:
as Jutta pointed out
Who?
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New contact information on the home page
On Thu, Jun 01, 2000 at 01:56:07PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Previously Joey Hess wrote:
http://www.491.org/projets/api/
Nice. Time to write them a letter I guess. How about something like this:
Sounds OK.
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See the Guile exception clause for an example.
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a license for the general public (thus, general
public + license) but now it is more a general license to the public.
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OR THE DOCUMENTATION.
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or BSD.
The MIT license is essentially a better worded version of the BSD license
without the advertising clause.
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Hypertekstivisionääri Ted Nelson luennoi Jyväskylässä 29.-31.8.
Lisätietoja
at it, which was a year
or two ago. I'd be delighted if someone could show I'm wrong about
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On 20011216T112830-0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Um, no, TeX has a perfectly clear license.
Would you please give a reference to it?
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give exact references.
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Or a written offer, good for three years.
Yes, and that's a greater nuisance IMO.
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is right, Jim or Jill? I think it's a really
important question, too. I shall explain why.
I see your point. My initial answer would be that Jim is right,
assuming that the offer is properly dated (as it should be). But this
does not address the problem.
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of affirmative assent known as click-wrap.
I have a vague memory of such licenses been deemed non-DFSG-compliant in
the past, but I don't have references.
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such an added section. Look at the publicity our stance
against KDE used to generate when it had its license problem.
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would be the cost of physically performing
source distribution.
Yes. Do they bundle a written offer to do this, valid for at least
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(offering them for download in the same place as the
binaries is explicitly sufficient).
So, again, Where are the sources of emacs 1.0?
Was there an Emacs 1.0? :-)
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documentation about the development process, user
documentation, internal documentation, data files required by the
program (not input but for example UnicodeData.txt) and in general all
deliverables produced by the development process.
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that is a way of saying that the social contract was not adopted
until 1997?
If you think that a GNU document is the raison d'être of Debian, don't
you think that place belongs to the GNU manifesto? (Note that I don't
think it belongs to any GNU document.)
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missing the camp that says that documentation is
software:
Documents under the GFDL are software and hence must be judged by the
standard set by the DFSG.
(There are similar variants here as in what you discussed.)
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the unfoundedness of the rest of your mail.)
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these accusations with hard evidence.
it is because of zealots like you every revolution fails in the end.
So it is wrong for me to defend what I believe is right?
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was refusal to
clarify it in a way that we find bad). The situation, therefore, is
unchanged.
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Is the following license, displayed as a precondition for downloading the
software, DFSG-free? (Specifically, are there any traps in it that I am
not seeing?)
(NB. This links is a programming language implementation, not a version
of the web browser by the same name.)
License Agreement
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Don Armstrong wrote:
Since (or assuming) it actually is GPLed, you can totally ignore the
clickwrap. Simply arrange[1] to have the code distributed to you
simply under the terms of the GPL. [If it's not possible to ignore the
clickwrap entirely, then it's not actually GPLed.]
Well, if I can
Don Armstrong wrote:
This may be what he's asking, but if so, it's the wrong question.
Just to make it clear. The questions I am interested in are:
1) Does this license allow me to treat the package as licensed under the
plain GPL in terms of what I am allowed to do?
1b) If I were to package
MJ Ray wrote:
2) Is the license DFSG-free?
This question is nonsense, as already mentioned (software not licences -
see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/licences.html ).
Well then, rephrase this as Assuming that the license under discussion is
the only license applying for this software,
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 12:14:31PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
it is incorrect to use (C) in place of the symbol © which is the strict
copyright symbol. Is this so? If yes, why?
IANAL etc.
The formal copyright notice is required in some (very few) countries for a
foreign work to get
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 12:38:28PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
So I can simply avoid using either (C) or © and thus avoid this whole
problem?
Sorry, I misread your question originally. You can drop the word Copyright,
but you cannot drop the copyright symbol, if you care about UCC
, as this is the normal state of affairs.
5) Is it *advisable* to use such a terminology in a copyright statement
in a file licensed under the GPL?
No.
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No.
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On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 09:16:55AM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
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Is it a kind of algorithm copyright?
No.
In some countries there is. They call it a patent.
A patent is not a copyright.
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On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:37:33AM +0100, Olive wrote:
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:01:18PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Seriously, does the FSF expect everyone who would modify a GPL-ed work or
create a derivative work to read and understand his countries
:
A copy of the file which will be installed in
/usr/share/doc/package/copyright should be in debian/copyright in the
source package.
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this file as if it
were in the public domain.
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. This one is probably not defined because the laws do
not
actually need to use the phrase. Aside from some people incorrectly using
public domain as a synonym for shareware (and similar misuses), I am not
aware of any serious dispute as to what the term means.
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On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:05:51PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote:
As I said, the laws *do* use that term...
My mistake, sorry. Still, the main point stands.
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; the one I gave is the
best one I've been able to devise (or seen written by others), and is
unambiguous to anyone who knows the relevant terminology.
(Somehow this discussion reminds me of Guy Steele's Growing a Language.)
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(or took advantage of a
written offer for sources if provided). If you chose not to, that's your
choice, and the consequences of that choice are yours as well.
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