Re: GPLed software with no true source. Was: Bug#402650: ITP: mozilla-foxyproxy

2007-02-02 Thread Don Armstrong
that originally started this thread.] Don Armstrong -- I leave the show floor, but not before a pack of caffeinated Jolt gum is thrust at me by a hyperactive girl screaming, Chew more! Do more! The American will to consume more and produce more personified in a stick of gum. I grab it. -- Chad Dickerson

Re: Debian logos and trademarks

2007-02-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 11:57:13PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Thu, 08 Feb 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: The DFSG refers to copyright licensing, it doesn't cover patents or trademarks. It actually doesn't refer to any of them specifically

Re: Debian-approved creative/content license?

2007-03-11 Thread Don Armstrong
: Do you want copyleft? Yes: GPL (Maybe LGPL in some cases) No: MIT/Expat Don Armstrong -- An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications. -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough For Love_ p244 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Bug#412310: Conflicting copyright claims

2007-03-12 Thread Don Armstrong
. [Course, in many of the files in question, it's not clear that there is enough expressive content to actually be copyrightable...] Please, don't cc me in any of this, I expect to find the resolution when the bug report's updated. Sorry; you bring the issue up, you get to be involved. Don Armstrong

Re: Debian-approved creative/content license?

2007-03-14 Thread Don Armstrong
to anyone? With the difference that the programmer needs what he's programming to *work* according to a suite of specs. Specifications are not an intrinsic part of programming any more than they are in painting. I suggest reading _The Tao of Programming_. Don Armstrong -- I shall require

Re: Debian License agreement

2007-03-24 Thread Don Armstrong
with the DFSG (but we can't possibly guarantee that they do.) Don Armstrong -- Miracles had become relative common-places since the advent of entheogens; it now took very unusual circumstances to attract public attention to sightings of supernatural entities. The latest miracle had raised the ante

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Don Armstrong
doctrine, then the alternative is to use whatever standard game only redistribution license Teosto uses (or will write) and then distribute them in non-free with game itself in contrib or main, depending on whether it depends upon the songs or has enough songs included to work without them. Don

Re: Choosing a license for Frets on Fire songs

2007-03-27 Thread Don Armstrong
OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE WORK OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE WORK. Don Armstrong 1: If you're feeling generous enough to call them that... -- For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, none is possible

Re: Debian-approved creative/content license?

2007-03-29 Thread Don Armstrong
users to do what they need to do. If the copyright holder is withholding information that could be theoretically distributed by us which is necessary to modify the work, then we are not able to execute the tenets of our social contract. Don Armstrong -- Dropping non-free would set us back at least

Re: Copyleft variation of MIT license

2007-04-02 Thread Don Armstrong
useless, nor does it bode well for writing Free Software licenses in general. If there are specific issues with the GPL, or the need for a general overview, contact competent legal representation and have them explain the license to you. Don Armstrong -- There are two major products that come out

Re: Copyleft variation of MIT license

2007-04-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 02 Apr 2007, Suraj N. Kurapati wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: You propose to create another copyleft license which is incompatible with many other widely use copyleft licenses. Could you please explain how it is incompatible with popular copyleft licenses? Most copyleft licenses

Re: Swiftfox license

2007-04-06 Thread Don Armstrong
Binaries are not MPL and no redistribution of binaries is allowable under any circumstances. Don Armstrong -- Where I sleep at night, is this important compared to what I read during the day? What do you think defines me? Where I slept or what I did all day? -- Thomas Van Orden of Van Orden v

Bug#419597: please remove twolame (patent infringement)

2007-04-16 Thread Don Armstrong
have yet to see people asserting patents which cover mp2. Feel free to provide specific evidence to contradict me, however. Don Armstrong -- UF: What's your favourite coffee blend? PD: Dark Crude with heavy water. You are understandink? If geiger counter does not click, the coffee, she is just

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-18 Thread Don Armstrong
not disambiguate between license texts in their capacity as a license under which a work is distribute and random text which is labelled as a license. Don Armstrong 1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/01/msg01307.html -- All bad precedents began as justifiable measures. -- Gaius Julius

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-19 Thread Don Armstrong
distributed. [IE, in debian/copyright or specifically included by reference from there.] For example, a second copy of the GPL in a package under the GPL would not be acceptable, nor would a copy of the GPL in a package not under the GPL. Don Armstrong -- An elephant: A mouse built to government

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-20 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Ben Finney wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Nathanael Nerode wrote: How about: There is a special exception for the texts of the licenses under which works in Debian are distributed; It's not just enough for that; it has

Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Don Armstrong
the bug report myself, but I have made the severity non-RC. Dima: that's your call; you can wait for more -legal contributors to weigh in, or you can close the report. Don Armstrong -- One day I put instant coffee in my microwave oven and almost went back in time. -- Steven Wright http

Re: New Ion3 licence

2007-04-29 Thread Don Armstrong
currently in Debian. [Iron (well, ferrum) would also work for the same reason, but that may be confusingly similar.] Don Armstrong -- In all matters of government, the correct answer is usually: Do nothing -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough For Love_ p428 http://www.donarmstrong.com

Re: Can a font with an unfree character be free?

2007-05-14 Thread Don Armstrong
address the issue. Don Armstrong -- The trouble with you, Ibid he said, is that you think you're the biggest bloody authority on everything -- Terry Pratchet _Pyramids_ p146 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Can a font with an unfree character be free?

2007-05-14 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 14 May 2007, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/14/07, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the fact that the actual symbol is a white wheelchair on a blue background, it's not clear that a black font would be a ^ derivative work

Re: Can a font with an unfree character be free?

2007-05-14 Thread Don Armstrong
wheelchair symbol to make it free? The question is whether or not that has been done. In order to talk about that intelligently, we have to look at specific instances of the symbol's use in a specific font within a specific package and the process that resulted in creating the glyph. Don

Bug#421513: sphpblog License-Question (modified/expanded GPL)

2007-05-16 Thread Don Armstrong
this make the package incompatible to DFSG? Yes, it does. Both of these requirements are nonfree, and quite frankly, unreasonable. Don Armstrong -- Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it. -- Richard Feynman http://www.donarmstrong.com

Re: aggregate: license

2007-05-20 Thread Don Armstrong
clears it up anyway.] Don Armstrong -- Democracy is more dangerous than fire. Fire can't vote itself immune to water. -- Michael Z. Williamson http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Programs made by teenagers

2007-05-23 Thread Don Armstrong
is not of the majority and did not understand what she was doing and decides to sue Debian or our users because the license was invalid. Since we're just as vulernable to cases where the copyright holder is untruthfully specified, I don't think it's necessary to go overboard with proof. Don Armstrong

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-24 Thread Don Armstrong
laws and regulation of any other countries) when You use, distribute or otherwise make available any Covered Software. It's not appropriate for a Free Software license to require users of software to give up rights that they would normaly have in their own jurisdiction. Don Armstrong 1: http

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-24 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 24 May 2007, Marco d'Itri wrote: On May 24, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not the case, unfortunatly, and it really would be wise in the future to consult with people who are familiar with the arguments surrounding such licenses before expressing Debian's opinion

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-24 Thread Don Armstrong
that that (or relicensing of works under GPLv2/3) was in progress a year ago. In any event, this has been rather laboriously discussed previously in threads about the CDDL[2,3,4], so I'll stop here. Don Armstrong 1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/12/msg2.html 2: http

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-05-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 24 May 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: That said, the typical argument is that giving up your right to have cases tried in your local venue is a fee or royalty, and as such violates DFSG ?1. Just to underline this some more in case it's still not clear why this is a fee, or even why

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 27 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 27 May 2007 02:43:41 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: On Sun, 27 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: [...] Whatever the its origin is[1], the term proprietary is now a well-established[2] word used as opposed to free (as in freedom

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 28 May 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 27 May 2007 14:24:21 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: Of course, but the usage of free there is merely an extension of its actual english meaning. A piece of free software is not able to act at will, nor is it exempt from subjection

Re: help with crafting proper license header for a dual-licensing project

2007-05-29 Thread Don Armstrong
the terms interchangeably. Don Armstrong -- All bad precedents began as justifiable measures. -- Gaius Julius Caesar in The Conspiracy of Catiline by Sallust http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Computer with Debian preinstalled

2007-06-01 Thread Don Armstrong
that you have to keep around the source code for three years; by including it with the computer, you can ship it and forget it. [This is one reason why Debian has the source code for all of main on the same servers that the binary packages are served from.] Don Armstrong -- Dropping non-free

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: debian-devel re-added. On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 03:40:36PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:50:15 +1000 Anthony Towns wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 10:54:36AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: and to the best of my knowledge, works

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
reopen 350624 thanks On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: That said, can the ftpmaster who approved the inclusion of star in main speak up and give their rationale? Actually, I must take this back; it's almost certain that ftpmaster did not approve this, because the work when originally

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 12:12:14PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: That said, can the ftpmaster who approved the inclusion of star in main speak up and give their rationale? Actually, I must take

Bug#288655: Opinions on Paul Hsieh derivative license

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
. Suggest that the authors reimplement the hash function or use a pre-existing free alternative. Don Armstrong -- It's not Hollywood. War is real, war is primarily not about defeat or victory, it is about death. I've seen thousands and thousands of dead bodies. Do you think I want to have an academic

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-02 Thread Don Armstrong
that, I can only educate users and not install those packages myself, hoping that unsuspecting users do not get caught out by upstreams which have decided to become litigious.[2] Don Armstrong 1: I have no idea of the odds of such things happening, though. It definetly varies from district

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
: On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 09:29:08PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: Choice of venue clauses can short circuit the normal determination of jurisdiction in civil cases in some jurisdictions in some cases. Contracts and licenses in general short-circuit the normal determination of rights under common

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 12:28:04AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: If the author of Star decides that the Debian maintainer has incorrectly removed a copyright notice,[1] he could terminate the license under 6.1, [...] Should someone be willing

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: Debian does accept the CDDL as a free license (at least when the choice of venue is Berlin). Indeed; I wasn't aware of the CDDL ever being accepted in main; had I paid more attention to it, I would have

Re: Request for suggestions of DFSG-free documentation licences

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
including the text of the GFDL and any invariant sections from the manual. This in itself is why we do not have GFDLed manpages. Don Armstrong -- Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. -- Robert Heinlein http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
, actually. They're fairly close, after all. Don Armstrong [Who has no idea if these sorts of clauses even work in Germany or Belgium] -- Three little words. (In decending order of importance.) I love you -- hugh macleod http://www.gapingvoid.com/graphics/batch35.php http://www.donarmstrong.com

Re: Request for suggestions of DFSG-free documentation licences

2007-06-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso wrote: On 03/06/07, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 03 Jun 2007, Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso wrote: I have yet to see a practical example of a situation that actually happened that justifies Debian's concerns against the GFDL

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
the parties to a contract are free to designate a court to rule on any disputes even though that court might not have had jurisdiction on the basis of the factors objectively connecting the contract with a particular place. Don Armstrong -- Dropping non-free would set us back at least, what

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: If I'm in the Netherlands and distribute CDDL software to a Belgian citizen while violating the CDDL, the copyright holder has to come to the Netherlands, choice-of-venue

Re: Request for suggestions of DFSG-free documentation licences

2007-06-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007, Jordi Gutierrez Hermoso wrote: On 03/06/07, Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the maintainer (and the developers) recognized that users may need or want such documentation, even though it does not meet the DFSG, so the documentation was made available in non-free

Re: discussion with the FSF: GPLv3, GFDL, Nexenta

2007-06-05 Thread Don Armstrong
this clause to be in the position of resolving abiguities of jurisdiction, or a defensive only jurisidiction clause. Either would resolve my personal problems with the CDDL, and I believe would solve the problems most -legal contributors have with the license. Don Armstrong -- Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows

Re: legal question to a new package

2007-06-08 Thread Don Armstrong
to include them all and that people should look at the source to see. [The main reason why people should go through all of the contributors is so that they check that files under incorrect licences haven't suddenly snuck in.] Don Armstrong -- Miracles had become relative common-places since

Re: Clickthrough for GPL

2007-06-28 Thread Don Armstrong
default settings designed for proprietary software. There are a couple of these installations which are actually rather amusing, as they show the GPL, and tell you that you can accept it or not at your option, explaining that running the program is free regardless. Don Armstrong -- Herodotus

Re: Redistribution of graphics that includes Gentoo logo

2007-07-01 Thread Don Armstrong
the maintainer's. Don Armstrong -- PowerPoint is symptomatic of a certain type of bureaucratic environment: one typified by interminable presentations with lots of fussy little bullet-points and flashy dissolves and soundtracks masked into the background, to try to convince the audience

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-03 Thread Don Armstrong
of the anticircumvention clause of the DMCA notwithstanding.] Don Armstrong -- It's not Hollywood. War is real, war is primarily not about defeat or victory, it is about death. I've seen thousands and thousands of dead bodies. Do you think I want to have an academic debate on this subject? -- Robert Fisk

Re: Final text of GPL v3

2007-07-04 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Tue, 03 Jul 2007, Anthony W. Youngman wrote: Sklyarov did what he did AT HOME IN RUSSIA. It was the company he worked for that marketed it in America. And Sklyarov who

Bug#431883: dcraw license does not give permission to distribute modified versions or source alongside

2007-07-05 Thread Don Armstrong
, either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. would do the trick. Don Armstrong -- If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. -- Steven Wright http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Bug#431883: dcraw license does not give permission to distribute modified versions or source alongside

2007-07-05 Thread Don Armstrong
was about. In any event, let me know if you need any assistance or clarification in your communication with Dave. Don Armstrong -- Filing a bug is probably not going to get it fixed any faster. -- Anthony Towns http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Bug#431883: dcraw license does not give permission to distribute modified versions or source alongside

2007-07-06 Thread Don Armstrong
of this for us; Dave Coffin would still be free to offer it under additional terms if he so desired. If you need help drafting the message, let me know. Don Armstrong -- An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications. -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough For Love_ p244 http

Re: LiDIA's statement of GPL only in mailing list archives

2007-07-07 Thread Don Armstrong
, along with that message's 'date', 'from', 'message-id' fields. Yeah; bonus points if the message is GPG signed by a key which is in and multiply connected to strongly connected set. Don Armstrong -- An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications. -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough

Re: LiDIA's statement of GPL only in mailing list archives

2007-07-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote: * Don Armstrong: On Sun, 08 Jul 2007, Ben Finney wrote: An email has been judged sufficient for many Debian packages, if it unambiguously specifies all of the above, and is clearly from the copyright holder. Copy and paste into the 'debian

Re: LiDIA's statement of GPL only in mailing list archives

2007-07-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote: * Don Armstrong: On Mon, 09 Jul 2007, Florian Weimer wrote: * Don Armstrong: On Sun, 08 Jul 2007, Ben Finney wrote: An email has been judged sufficient for many Debian packages, if it unambiguously specifies all of the above, and is clearly

Re: Question about patent notice in copyright header of package exempi

2007-08-15 Thread Don Armstrong
this software. TBH I don't really understand how to interpret this sentence. Really depends on what the license agreement says; if we're lucky, it allows us to use it and makes the patent not particularly usefull. Don Armstrong -- An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications

Re: Exporting Issues related with US laws

2007-08-20 Thread Don Armstrong
be distributed from main? [It'd give us a starting point to figure out the right questions to ask a lawyer.] Don Armstrong -- The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
-functional uses of the trademark. Finally, the precise place where trademark rights stop is necessarily a legal question; the place where we decide to compromise, a community one. Don Armstrong -- As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances

Re: Debian WWW use OPL - which is declared non-DFSG free?

2007-09-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007, Jari Aalto wrote: Should the WWW pages be relicensed using DFSG compatible licence? Yes, this has been discussed, and is most likely going to happen. However, it requires getting all contributors to agree, which will require a heroic effort. Don Armstrong -- A Democracy

Re: patents on Frets on Fire, Pydance, StepMania and such games

2008-01-18 Thread Don Armstrong
they are examining. Don Armstrong -- A Democracy lead by politicians and political parties, fails. http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: patents on Frets on Fire, Pydance, StepMania and such games

2008-01-18 Thread Don Armstrong
I've seen.] Don Armstrong -- Where I sleep at night, is this important compared to what I read during the day? What do you think defines me? Where I slept or what I did all day? -- Thomas Van Orden of Van Orden v. Perry http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu

Re: patents on Frets on Fire, Pydance, StepMania and such games

2008-01-19 Thread Don Armstrong
[Going wildly OT for fun; further messages will be sent individually.] On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Joe Smith wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What else is sheet music but a storage form of notes, timings and durations? I agrue that sheet music differs

ms-sys contains MBRs which are copyrighted by Microsoft

2008-02-13 Thread Don Armstrong
is taken as an interim measure until it can be rectified. Don Armstrong -- I shall require that [a scientific system's] logical form shall be such that it can be singled out, by means of emperical tests, in a negative sense: it must be possible for an emperical scientific system to be refuted

Re: New program based on 2 differently-licensed previous ones

2008-02-17 Thread Don Armstrong
that is new and only available under GPL, to the extent that is possible. Don Armstrong -- Your village called. They want their idiot back. -- xkcd http://xkcd.com/c23.html http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: logwatch: list of copyright holders

2008-02-21 Thread Don Armstrong
actually know what terms we are able to distribute the final work. A component of a work which is unlicenced makes the entire work undistributable. Don Armstrong -- Frankly, if ignoring inane opinions and noisy people and not flaming them to crisp is bad behaviour, I have not yet achieved a state

Re: logwatch: list of copyright holders

2008-02-21 Thread Don Armstrong
an informed decision as to whether to include it in the archive or use it themselves. Don Armstrong -- When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. -- Edmund Burke Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discoontents

Re: Questions about liblouis

2008-02-26 Thread Don Armstrong
seem to be a reason to impose any additional restrictions beyond what the GPL imposes. Don Armstrong -- You have many years to live--do things you will be proud to remember when you are old. -- Shinka proverb. (John Brunner _Stand On Zanzibar_ p413) http://www.donarmstrong.com http

Re: NagiosQL License

2008-03-31 Thread Don Armstrong
Willisegger/; it's perfectly acceptable for main. Don Armstrong -- There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: DEP licenses

2008-05-29 Thread Don Armstrong
) are to be used. --- Don Armstrong -- DIE! -- Maritza Campos http://www.crfh.net/d/20020601.html http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Fwd: Memo on video game thumbnails]

2008-08-08 Thread Don Armstrong
it, though. Don Armstrong -- It was said that life was cheap in Ankh-Morpork. This was, of course, completely wrong. Life was often very expensive; you could get death for free. -- Terry Pratchet _Pyramids_ p25 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-08-25 Thread Don Armstrong
(at least in the US). Don Armstrong -- Build a fire for a man, an he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. -- Jules Bean http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-08-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Francesco Poli wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:07:18 -0700 Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Bernhard R. Link wrote: What I meant is that while GPL uses copyright to give people rights, it does not restrict people beyond what copyright already imposes. It's

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
the Corresponding Source, which includes these components, which means that you may be exporting or facilitating the exportation of cryptographic software. Don Armstrong -- He no longer wished to be dead. At the same time, it cannot be said that he was glad to be alive. But at least he did

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
it comes to distribution within Debian. Don Armstrong -- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be. -- Douglas Adams _The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul_ http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
, but there are still issues, some of which we may end up deciding we need to live with in order to obtain that class of protection.] Don Armstrong 1: It basically mandates the usage of snapshot.debian.net to provide links to the corresponding source of the version which is actually being used. I've no doubt

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Don Armstrong
. In this case, assuming that the license will remain intact is the conservative position. Don Armstrong -- G: If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do? EB: Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area. -- Somewhere in No Man's Land

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Don Armstrong
.] Don Armstrong 1: Though obviously we should as good members of the FOSS community. -- Some pirates achieved immortality by great deeds of cruelty or derring-do. Some achieved immortality by amassing great wealth. But the captain had long ago decided that he would, on the whole, prefer

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-02 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: 2008/9/3 Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The GPL allows us to provide equivalent access to the source as we do to the binaries, And doesn't the AGPL too? Both the program and the source over the network? No, it requires distribution

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: 2008/9/3 Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 03 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: The AGPL requires access to source to occur at the time of use, which is more difficult. Why? You just have to put a link somewhere source

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-03 Thread Don Armstrong
, but the second time can be fatal. So yes, the lawyers can come out and play immediately if they wish. Don Armstrong -- I leave the show floor, but not before a pack of caffeinated Jolt gum is thrust at me by a hyperactive girl screaming, Chew more! Do more! The American will to consume more

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
satisfy the AGPL. We may have to go there eventually, but without resolving the first questions, going there is premature. Please, help us all by working to address the first to questions in the framework of the DFSG. Don Armstrong -- CNN/Reuters: News reports have filtered out early this morning

Re: Alternatives to Creative Commons

2008-09-18 Thread Don Armstrong
to that argument (or even future arguments made) at all. Don Armstrong -- America was far better suited to be the World's Movie Star. The world's tequila-addled pro-league bowler. The world's acerbic bi-polar stand-up comedian. Anything but a somber and tedious nation of socially responsible

Re: Alternatives to Creative Commons

2008-09-25 Thread Don Armstrong
who could actually litigate it would almost certainly buckle under community pressure, and people who don't have the money to would likely settle for releasing the source.] Don Armstrong -- N: Why should I believe that? B: Because it's a fact. N: Fact? B: F, A, C, T... fact N: So you're saying

Re: Alternatives to Creative Commons

2008-09-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 26 Sep 2008, Ben Finney wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Defining terms in the license grant] is a bad idea. I should note that this is not just defining terms in the license grant; it's either a null operation, or it adds a class things to object code which

Re: independent.nu - DFSG compatible?

2008-09-27 Thread Don Armstrong
of that said and done, if the copyright holder actually means for the work to be DFSG free, using a license that is trivially understood to be DFSG free is ideal. Don Armstrong -- Of course, there are cases where only a rare individual will have the vision to perceive a system which governs many people's

Re: independent.nu - DFSG compatible?

2008-09-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Ben Finney wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The key words here are what totally free means, and what use means. If totally free means you have the freedom to do anything you wish with these works then that's a different meaning entirely than you don't

Re: independent.nu - DFSG compatible?

2008-09-27 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Sean Kellogg wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2008 05:54:02 pm Don Armstrong wrote: The problem is that we're working off of a translation without any information as to what the underlying words that were translated actually mean. There's not a one-to-one mapping between

Re: Non free license?

2008-12-20 Thread Don Armstrong
. I'd try asking again, since it's definetly not because of the 1,2,4 clause BSD license you've shown below. [Though it may be from some fragment of code that isn't actually under this license; you need to check the source code yourself to see if that's the case.] Don Armstrong -- I'm wrong

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
is correct.] Don Armstrong -- If you find it impossible to believe that the universe didn't have a creator, why don't you find it impossible that your creator didn't have one either? -- Anonymous Coward http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167556cid=13970629 http://www.donarmstrong.com

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: On Mon, 29 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: More precisely, Debian has the right to distribute such a work, but chooses not to do so. If a work is GPLed and we do not have the complete source for the work

Re: GPL photographies, eg for backround

2008-12-29 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes: If we don't have the corresponding source, we can't satisfy the GPL, so we cannot distribute (GPLv2 §4, GPLv3 §8). Your argument, if it can be called that, assumes that the requirements of the GPL, or any

Re: Using NASA Imagery

2009-01-17 Thread Don Armstrong
to figure out whether that's the case in a specific instance.] Don Armstrong -- Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. -- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal

Re: Which license am I looking for?

2009-01-18 Thread Don Armstrong
think RMS is a bit on my side - after all he did write the LGPL... For libraries so that they would be widely used, not for general copyleft usage. Don Armstrong -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other possibilities. -- W. Churchill

Re: Which license am I looking for?

2009-01-29 Thread Don Armstrong
, though, that's it's almost comedic. Don Armstrong -- I was thinking seven figures, he said, but I would have taken a hundred grand. I'm not a greedy person. [All for a moldy bottle of tropicana.] -- Sammi Hadzovic [in Andy Newman's 2003/02/14 NYT article.] http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/14

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
clause by distributing a derived version. I'm slightly concerned about this layout hanging around and then a small company who uses it because it was distributed in Debian being sued. Don Armstrong -- The sheer ponderousness of the panel's opinion [...] refutes its thesis far more convincingly than

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 16 mars 2009 à 11:18 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : Is there any hope of getting Leboutte to license this under CC without the NC and ND clauses or retract his claims? I don’t think so, but maybe an open source evangelist would have

Re: Mono License changes over time and the risks this is presenting.

2009-07-06 Thread Don Armstrong
to do with whether we distribute them in main or people decide to build on them. Don Armstrong 1: I honestly don't even know *which* specific patents we're talking about here; it's all awash in FUD. -- Quite the contrary; they *love* collateral damage. If they can make you miserable enough

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