Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: Worse, the QPL is not DFSG-free

2004-07-12 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:14 AM, Sven Luther wrote: On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 05:54:05AM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Package: ocaml Version: 3.07.2a-2 Followup-For: Bug #227159 The compilers are also distributed under the QPL, which is And ? What is the problem ? Even RMS and the FSF

Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: license conflict in Emacs Lisp support?

2004-01-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jan 21, 2004, at 21:27, Henning Makholm wrote: It is not clear to me that this text talks about APIs at all. It seems to be about the *internal* structure of a database, which - in my opinion at

Re: Non-free package licenses and replacements

2004-01-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the RFCs, if Debian cannot live with different degree of freedom depending on the nature of the software it brings (RFC are not programs, and by nature, there is no point in being able to modify freely a standard like RFCs) Nonsense. You know well

Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: license conflict in Emacs Lisp support?

2004-01-12 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:00:54PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: uncertain about whether you should disable the automatic generation of .elc files. Why ? We clearly are not violating the GPL by doing so, so where is the problem. If

Re: Bug#227159: ocaml: license conflict in Emacs Lisp support?

2004-01-12 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 02:12:13PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Sven Luther wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:00:54PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: uncertain about whether you should disable the automatic generation of .elc

Re: DFSG Freeness of Patent Reciprocity Clauses

2004-01-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Nathanael Nerode wrote: Brian Sniffen wrote: Would the following be considered Free by anybody here? If You institute litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that the Work or a Contribution incorporated within the Work

Re: DFSG Freeness of Patent Reciprocity Clauses

2004-01-05 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Don Armstrong wrote: If You institute patent litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that the Work or a Contribution incorporated within the Work constitutes direct or contributory patent infringement, then any patent

Re: SRFI copyright license

2003-12-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Jakob Bohm wrote: The main trick is to distinguish between the original full text SRFI (the document) and the free software (document that excerpts or derives from the document). Sure, but if you take that tack, the prohibition of modification of

Re: popular swirl...

2003-12-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Ben Reser wrote: On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 10:28:10PM +0100, Jörgen Hägg wrote: Somehow the swirl on this page seems familiar... :-) http://www.elektrostore.com/ (The picture is here: http://www.elektrostore.com/Bilder/electro_loga.gif ) Hell that's not just familiar that's a blatent rip.

Re: SRFI copyright license

2003-12-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: Every SRFI contains a reference implementation, and bears this copyright notice: Copyright (C) /author/ (/year/). All Rights Reserved. This document and translations of it may be copied and

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-16 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Dec 14, 2003, at 22:18, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: For someone to later pair it with Emacs has no creativity, so that packager hasn't earned a copyright, but the pairing is under copyright Yes, but if there is no copyright generated

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 15:16, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: That would seem to fit much better than derivative work, yes. However I do wonder whether the combination of host and plugin constitutes an original work of authorship? There seems

Re: Changes in formal naming for NetBSD porting effort(s)

2003-12-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have little patience for superstitious beliefs, and less still for people who claim to be defending the tender feelings of the ignorant. But why use names correlated with evil when other options are available which interfere less with Debian's

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 15:34, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Right, but since the plugin author clearly intended it to fit with and accompany the host, there's no creativity on the part of the combiner. And we're well back into argue it in court territory

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-11 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
constitutes an original work of authorship? There seems to be little creativity involved. Sure there is -- but it's performed by the person who wrote the plugin, as he sculpts the interface to fit to the host, and to provide useful functionality to it -- not merely by itself. -Brian -- Brian T

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-11 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Arnoud Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Arnoud Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony DeRobertis wrote: A ''compilation'' is a work formed by the collection and assembling of preexisting materials or of data that are selected, coordinated

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
in general if you began by looking for an answer, instead of guessing at one. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
frames as it runs -- which are copyrightable. Where's the problem with this, exactly? Please provide examples. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
. But the combination of the host and the plugin is a derivative of the plugin -- or is a compilation containing the plugin, or is a mere aggregation containing the plugin, depending on the intent of the author of that combination. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: [POSITION SUMMARY] Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to distribute AIE and INVERT will essentially be bound by the GPL with regards to AIE, even though it is under the MIT/X11 license: they received it under the terms of the GPL, not under the terms of the X11 license. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 01:36:46PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: The KDE folks have, from what I've seen, been quite careful with licensing issues. That sentence made me snarf. Do people not remember the history of KDE and Debian? Of course

Re: [POSITION SUMMARY] Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have thus, even with STENOG included, satisfied the terms of the INVERT license. Now, there is a potential problem. Remember that scripting language

Re: [POSITION SUMMARY] Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-09 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:10:05AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Now, there is a potential problem. Remember that scripting language mentioned before? If someone were to write a script that used both INVERT and STENOG, and then distribute that

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: I don't know the details of who writes the SSL support for Konq or how it's done, nor do I have any machines with Konqueror on them in front of me right now, so I can't comment on that. Ah, found

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: What I'm trying to find out is, whether or not it's allowed to write a plugin, using GPL,d libraries, for a program with MIT license, for which there also exists plugins using OpenSSL (or anything GPL

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: What I'm trying to find out is, whether or not it's allowed to write a plugin, using GPL,d libraries, for a program with MIT license, for which there also exists plugins using OpenSSL (or anything GPL

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-08 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: I don't know the details of who writes the SSL support for Konq or how it's done, nor do I have any machines with Konqueror on them in front of me right now, so I can't comment on that. Ah, found it -- Debian KDE list, late July 2002: Konqueror

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: The thing is that, in my case, some very good functionality is provided by plugins using GPL'd libraries. I want to make sure I can distribute those plugins, at least as source. For reasons that should be obvious, I'd rather not touch the GPL. The

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This now gets into the hazy realm where it's best not to go - a court could decide either way. The argument is, approximately, that by shipping the whole lot together you are creating a derived work that

Re: Source only opensource licence.

2003-12-05 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Franck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, We are currently working on a web-developpement tool for a private company. The people who fund the project are okay to give opensource a try, but they insist on some restrictions. (for the business model to be sucessful). The licence

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
for many years (most recently, the 102nd Congress' H.R. 1790) which, if passed, would protect typeface design. If such a bill is enacted, the above opinion will be obsolete and incorrect. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:01:39 -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I'm confused -- and don't read Japanese. But let me get one thing straight: what Hitachi distributed were strictly bitmap fonts, right? No metafont, truetype, or postscript font outlines

Re: simplest copyleft license for a wiki

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to the GPL or MIT/X11 licenses. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Preparation of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r2 (II)

2003-11-25 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
GOTO Masanori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:35:10 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: [1 text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)] On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 09:52:01AM +0900, GOTO Masanori wrote: At Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:36:40 +0100, Osamu Aoki wrote: One of

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-20 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 07:45:04PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: In the current patent-litigation context, a large stable of patents to cross-license is considered a vitally important corporate defense strategy. *shrug* That's not our problem

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-20 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 07:43:01PM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: There is also no way to be sure that the next minor upstream Emacs release will still be entirely free software, and Debian has been

Re: possible licensing issues with some scsh source files

2003-11-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
to mention inspirations and contributions *in the talk*. So I would read this clause as requiring acknowledgement of inspiration and origins in advertising material, sales pitches, and documentation. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
a *little* more reasonable. But given that, for example, IBM has contributed to Apache, I cannot sue IBM for patent infringement without losing my license to use Apache. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
their unrelated patents at no cost, or give up their right to use (his patents in) Apache. The two paths provided, then, are payment or arbitrary revocation of the license. That's non-free. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
out a quick settlement -- even if both patents on both sides are bullshit -- than to slog through the courts. This isn't nice, it isn't good, it isn't right -- but it isn't Debian's fight, or Apache's, and this isn't the right way to solve it. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Added license@apache.org to this subthread, since my final question is directed to them. Please CC debian-legal on replies. On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:36:10AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: This isn't nice, it isn't good, it isn't right

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
John Goerzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 11:36:10AM -0500, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: If the lawsuit filed against you has *no* merit, that's true. But in practice, given the current broken state of the American patent law system, it's much, much cheaper to countersue

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-17 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) 5. Reciprocity. If You institute patent litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that a Contribution and/or the Work, without modification (other than modifications

Re: Proposed Apache license patent/reciprocity issues

2003-11-16 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Sam Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ == MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ On 2003-11-15 04:14:44 + Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] MJ wrote: It only revokes the patent license, not the whole license. Since Debian, to a large extent, only concerns itself with

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Apache from anyone who doesn't agree. Yes, this means unscrupulous or even just secretive companies can fork Apache and integrate their proprietary, patented technology. That would be unfortunate. But the freedom to do that is a necessary freedom. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) And, as it happens, companies do grant free patent licenses: it's common practice when working on a standard which must be approved by a standards body with a RF policy: typically, the patent is licensed

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The argument proposed was attempting to say No company is ever going to grant free patent licenses; I pointed out the argument applies equally to software And I point out that it doesn't. If the company patent their invention at all, it must be

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Brian T. Sniffen Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I point out that it doesn't. If the company patent their invention at all, it must be because they intend to restrict people from using it (or at least keep an option open

Re: [fielding@apache.org: Review of proposed Apache License, version 2.0]

2003-11-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:58:39AM +, Henning Makholm wrote: In the current patent-litigation context, a large stable of patents to cross-license is considered a vitally important corporate defense strategy. Yes, but a patent could not be part

Re: Legality of .DEBS in Medialinux.

2003-11-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Marco Ghirlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Knoppix should be distributing the source from the same location that you would get the CD, so its still compliant with the GPL. Really I couldn't find the sources of Knoppix anywhere. http://developer.linuxtag.net/knoppix/ looks like a good place to

Re: Legality of .DEBS in Medialinux.

2003-11-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marco Ghirlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This I don't understand. Seems like I have to create an ISO with only the sources. no. What you can do is add written offer to provide the sources to whoever ask

Re: Legality of .DEBS in Medialinux.

2003-11-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
regarding the laws and how they interact with software. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: GPL flaw?

2003-11-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
that this isn't an issue. :-) -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Advices on choosing a documentation license for an upstream project

2003-11-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
=1version=unstablerelease=all - Debian Statement about GFDL: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Invariant name in hello's debian/rules file

2003-11-04 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
more than copyright law does. If you are cutting the file down enough that this becomes an inconvenience, there's probably no copyright in those snippets. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 22:01, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Let's say Alice's installer uses secret-sharing or error-correcting codes to meld the program and the documentation, then produce separate works from them. Like tar czf? Not quite what I had

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
, but merely acting on physical objects -- not making any creative or artistic changes -- I suspect what he's doing is compliant with the GPL, especially if the particular author says it is. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Packaging Swiss Ephemeris Free Edition for Debian GNU/Linux

2003-10-14 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
it's pretty clear that Mr. Treindl does not want Swiss Ephemeris to be free software: freedom to exploit the software for commercial benefit is a necessary component of Debian's definition of Freedom. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
from it, or perhaps a separate license to the publisher. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
the bug fixes and new feature added by Bob: she can simply disregard material X, no matter what it is. She cannot use the material in Bob's documentation, though, without importing repugnant or false statements. Bob has succeeded in taking the documentation proprietary. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2003-10-13 19:58:58 +0100 Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alice distributes a program, under the GPL, and a documentation package for that program under the GFDL. Because she is the copyright holder, she distributes them together. Nobody else

Re: If not GFDL, then what?

2003-10-13 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2003-10-13 19:58:58 +0100 Brian T. Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alice distributes a program, under the GPL, and a documentation package for that program under

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
other popular licensing models ; -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: Swiss Ephemeris Public License

2003-10-10 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: If you do not meet the requirements in the SEPL, for example if - you develop and distribute software which is sold for a fee higher than a reasonable copy charge - or/and you develop and distribute

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Gabucino [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn Maynard wrote: One version of VirtualDub could read ASF files, and that was quickly removed. That was back in 2000, and I just checked: the news entries appear to have fallen off the site. There is a significant part to these patent enforcement

Re: committee for FSF-Debian discussion

2003-09-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
clause, and the definition of transparent forms. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: GFDL

2003-09-30 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
it to document... wait, they'd be distributing Emacs, and making the GPL available to users, and a dozen news organizations would report that Microsoft was distributing Free Software and link to the FSF web site. What's the problem, again? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: snippets

2003-09-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Debian is 100% Free Software as an advantage of removing them, which is why you don't see a convincing case: I don't see a convincing case here for removing them. It is not uncommon to be unconvinced when all convincing arguments have been neglected. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have previously suggested we should consider whether documentation is free, based on the four basic freedoms as specified on http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/ . That includes 'the freedom to run the program, for any purpose'. Since a

Re: coupling software documentation and political speech in the GFDL

2003-09-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Dylan Thurston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2003-09-26, Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The conflict is around the need professed by FSF to hitch political speech to the cart of software documentation, and the fact that Debian, while it may have been designed in part to achive a social

Re: committee for FSF-Debian discussion

2003-09-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes: The following persons have agreed to serve on a committee regarding the FSF - Debian discussion: Eben Moglen, Attorney for the Free Software Foundation. Henri Poole, Board member, Free Software Foundation. Benj. Mako Hill, Debian.

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-27 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) a tapoté : 1. Is this MP3 file software or hardware? This is one is definitely worse: you explicitely point out which definition of the word software you think is the most usual, by asking to refer

Re: What does GFDL do?

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While you are free to state the terms by which the GFDL should be interpreted for GNU documentation, this is not always the case. We have in the past seen cases where copyright holders have interpreted seemingly unambiguous statements

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
? is itself biased. Consider the alternatives: 1. Is this MP3 file software or hardware? 2. Can an MP3 file be Free Software? -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: GFDL

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
our reasoning to you and other GNU members who asked. We have asked for your reasoning and been rebuffed. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) a tapoté : Carl Witty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Software is not a controversial word in English (roughly inverse of hardware in one sense). Some people advocate a bizarre definition of it in order to further

Re: License requirements for DSP binaries?

2003-09-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:25:44PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: If it's licensed under the GPL, and no source is provided, then it can not be distributed at all, not even in non-free, unless there never was source to begin with. (I assume this

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think it needs to be possible to use text from manuals in a program. A manual is free if you can publish modified versions as manuals. And is a text editor free if you can only publish modified versions as text

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your casual suggestion to pick whichever seems better leaves out the object: better for whom? For the Free Software community? For the Free Software Foundation, whose goals are quite different? That is a cheap shot, because it reflects

Re: Starting to talk

2003-09-23 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
in Debian, regardless of the freedoms these grant Debian's users. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: GPL preamble removal

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brian T. Sniffen wrote: OK. I have a copy of Emacs here, licensed to me under the GNU GPL2. I have made some modifications to it, and updated the changelogs and history notes. I wish to give it to a friend. Section 2b requires that I distribute my

Re: What does GFDL do?

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
and is an awkward position from which to begin producing such a card. [The closest I came was removing a single document from a collection of documents, but then you have to follow the rules applying to verbatim copying, which doesn't seem to grant us anything usefull.] Don Armstrong -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: What does GFDL do?

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
containing the GPL on every Debian system? I understand that these are questions with complicated answers, and I appreciate your efforts to answer them. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: PennMUSH license concerns.

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
may distribute my work under the CAL and I licence my work to you under the CAL. If the e-mail exchange must be kept confidential, a statement from Mr. Schwartz to this effect and listing the various copyright holders who have given permission will do. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: There was never a chance of a GFDL compromise

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
political tracts -- that without them being Invariant sections tied to the documentation, they won't get enough air time to promote Free Software -- somewhat confusing. It appears they'd get more exposure, not less, from being Free as in Software. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think that section titles are a problem--it would not be hard to put them in a program. In a *binary executable* ?!?! That's what I'm talking about here. I am not sure if you are right; this might be impossible or it might be

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of these differences correctly classifies Hello as both a program and documentation, as far as I can tell. Hello is an example program. Yes... and thus both program and documentation. It is difficult to deal with such

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-20 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 19:43 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I, um, think he meant me, given I *did* say there is a violation of DFSG 2, since binary-only distribution is not permitted. Ah! Yeah, that must be what I meant... I'm

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code as well as compiled form. Brian, I'm

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
: http://stock.coleumes.org/doc.php?i=/misc-files/flawed-english -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
: you can copy the data on the CD, but not the packaging art. The packaging art is clearly not software -- it's not even digital -- so this is much less of an issue. -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Brian W. Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony DeRobertis writes: I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many people who pointed out that problem. But that's not what Brian said --- he said that there is a violation of DFSG 2 since it does not permit 'distribution in source code as

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
substance of TeX. This is not true. There is no way for me to create a work of free software which is a derivative work of the Emacs Manual. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
be created as a derivative work of a GFDL-licensed manual with invariant sections. Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code as well as compiled form. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen

Re: Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
under the GPL, everyone will be free. In an all-GFDL world, the mishmash of invariant sections mean that people will still not be free, and we might be further from freedom than we are now. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian T. Sniffen) writes: The GFDL allows you to make any changes you like in the technical substance of the manual, just as the TeX license allows you to make any changes you like in the technical substance of TeX

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would appreciate if in future you would restrict you comments to the need for the Invariant sections within the GFDL. The issue at hand for Debian is whether to include GFDL-covered manuals in the Debian GNU/Linux system. I am sticking to

Re: Software definition, was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
often but not always carries a connotation of executability, but never has such denotation. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
good use of this situation. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-15 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday, Sep 15, 2003, at 12:15 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: GPL 6 doesn't say that you may place restrictions on some copies, as long as your provide an unrestricted copy as well. Instead it says you may place no restrictions. You

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