Re: msntp license
* Charles Plessy: I think that Clause 1 disallows for-profit distribution. Can a redistributor burn a CD and sell it with financial benefit without express written consent of the copyright holders of MSNTP? You can't do that with software released under the Artistic license, either, that's why the situation is a bit complicated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sk81v30k@mid.deneb.enyo.de
Re: msntp license
[CC Jakub Drnec because I correct one statement I made earlier this year about the MSNTP license] Le Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 07:44:11PM +0100, Florian Weimer a écrit : * Charles Plessy: I think that Clause 1 disallows for-profit distribution. Can a redistributor burn a CD and sell it with financial benefit without express written consent of the copyright holders of MSNTP? You can't do that with software released under the Artistic license, either, that's why the situation is a bit complicated. I am not sure if you are proposing to keep MSNTP or remove packages with contents redistributed under the Artistic License 1.0 only… In the case of MSNTP, the removal was anyway blessed by the package maintainer for other QA considerations. For the Artistic License in general, well, some other projects like Fedora are removing works distributed under the Artistic Licence version 1.0 only. This would be doable here, but if such a proposition is made and accepted, I strongly recommend to make it in the form of a release goal for the next release. This said, I realised that the Artistic and MSNTP licenses permits to sell Debian CDs for profit: “You may also distribute MSNTP along with any other product for sale, provided that the cost of the bundled package is the same regardless of whether MSNTP is included or not” “you may distribute this Package in aggregate with other (possibly commercial) programs as part of a larger (possibly commercial) software distribution”. I was perhaps wrong when I wrote that MSNTP is not free (20100302115733.gb30...@kunpuu.plessy.org), since we tolerate similar clauses for other works. But I if anybody is tempted to adopt and upload the package with the necessary corrections and updates, I recommend to think twice since upstream does not show signs of activity for a long time (at least using the Google search enging). Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100315234533.ga25...@kunpuu.plessy.org
Re: msntp license
* Charles Plessy: Excerpt from the license: 1. You may distribute MSNTP or components of MSNTP, with or without additions developed by you or by others. No charge, other than an at-cost distribution fee, may be charged for copies, derivations, or distributions of this material without the express written consent of the copyright holders. 2. You may also distribute MSNTP along with any other product for sale, provided that the cost of the bundled package is the same regardless of whether MSNTP is included or not, and provided that those interested only in MSNTP must be notified that it is a product freely available from the University of Cambridge. good catch, the package is not free. Why? The Artistic license contains a similar clause. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ociqe4wk@mid.deneb.enyo.de
msntp license
Hi all, the msntp package is marked in debian as being GPL2, while in reality it is licensed according to the confusingly named General Public Licence for the software known as MSNTP. Excerpt from the license: 1. You may distribute MSNTP or components of MSNTP, with or without additions developed by you or by others. No charge, other than an at-cost distribution fee, may be charged for copies, derivations, or distributions of this material without the express written consent of the copyright holders. 2. You may also distribute MSNTP along with any other product for sale, provided that the cost of the bundled package is the same regardless of whether MSNTP is included or not, and provided that those interested only in MSNTP must be notified that it is a product freely available from the University of Cambridge. This is certainly not the GNU GPL and it even seems somewhat non-free to me. Am I overlooking something? Regards, Jakub Drnec -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/23369.984.2152-14696-719125683-1267528...@email.cz
Re: Re: msntp license
Dear Jakub, good catch, the package is not free. I would add that its upstream homepage is not available anymore, and that his maintainer does not seem to be active either. Unless somebody steps up to care of msntp in non-free, I would rather recommend removal. No package depend on msntp, and its popcon vote score is around 20 for a while. Would you like to file the request for removal ? http://wiki.debian.org/ftpmaster_Removals Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan Hi, reading through the document's Who are you? section I don't think I fit into any of the cathegories. I will file a bug against msntp. Regards, Jakub Drnec -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/23385.999.1999-22661-1464868178-1267532...@email.cz
Re: msntp license
Le 02/03/2010 13:27, jay...@email.cz a écrit : Dear Jakub, good catch, the package is not free. I would add that its upstream homepage is not available anymore, and that his maintainer does not seem to be active either. Unless somebody steps up to care of msntp in non-free, I would rather recommend removal. No package depend on msntp, and its popcon vote score is around 20 for a while. Would you like to file the request for removal ? http://wiki.debian.org/ftpmaster_Removals Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan Hi, reading through the document's Who are you? section I don't think I fit into any of the cathegories. I will file a bug against msntp. Regards, Jakub Drnec Hi, MIA maintainer agrees with this. Just drop msntp :) Regards, Adam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-legal-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b8d0a09.9060...@le-vert.net
