Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-09 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:23:57 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 10:05:00PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: Good point, but where does it claim so? In the footer of every page. My quote: Copyright © 1997-2011 SPI and others; See license terms can be found in the

Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-09 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 23:17:02 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 10:40:35PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: I think that this is exactly what people opposing to copyright assignment want to avoid: giving permission to re-license under yet unknown terms. I don't think you

Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-08 Thread Francesco Poli
Hello! I see there's (at last) some activity on bug #388141 [1]. I am happy to see that, but I personally think it's going in a slightly wrong direction... :-( First of all, a brief summary of bug #238245 [2] and of bug #388141 [1] (which started as a clone of #238245 [2]), for debian-legal

Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-08 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 21:50:17 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 07:38:24PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: Secondly, the web site claims [3] to be copyrighted by SPI, while it's not [5]. As a side point: the above claim of yours is no longer true, see #632175. The web

Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-08 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 07:38:24PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: Recent discussions on bug #388141 [1] (starting at message #206), include a plan to ask for copyright assignments to SPI from all future and (then) past contributors. I think this is the wrong approach. The Debian Project does

Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-08 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 22:15:03 +0100 Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [...] A possible way out, that I'm hereby suggesting, is to ask for the right to re-license (instead of copyright assignment), but to ask a blanket permission to re-license under any DFSG-free license the -www team will see fit, now

Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-08 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 10:40:35PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: I think that this is exactly what people opposing to copyright assignment want to avoid: giving permission to re-license under yet unknown terms. I don't think you should make absolute statements for *all* the people opposing

Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-08 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Jan 08, 2012 at 11:17:02PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : I'm under the *impression* that an important amount of people objecting copyright assignments do so to avoid the risk that their contributions get re-licensed under terms that go against their moral beliefs about software

Re: Debian official web site is still non-free

2012-01-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I don't think you should make absolute statements for *all* the people opposing copyright assignments, while being yourself only one of them. I personally don't really see the need for copyright assignments, unless we foresee the need to enforce