Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-10-17 Thread Florent Rougon
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Hello Florent, you can decouple the two issues: - The package is totally redistributable in Debian as it is, you do not need to relicense the files to update to the new upstream release. - You can work on the resolving the apparent

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-10-17 Thread Florent Rougon
Hi, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I've been a primary proponent of that point of view, and I think it's probably correct. But I wouldn't claim it's *established*; no qualified legal expert has said anything so definite here, I believe. OK, I see. [...] I wouldn't want to

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-10-13 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Finney writes (Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright): Florent Rougon f.rou...@free.fr writes: It has been established by the mavens from this list that the copyright statements contradict the public domain assertion, and that simply stating This program

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-10-13 Thread Riley Baird
Rather, I think such a declaration is not established to be an effective divestment of copyright in all the jurisdictions where Debian recipients operate, and the risk to them is unacceptable — In addition to what Ian said, Debian already accepts Public Domain software, even though public

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-10-13 Thread Ben Finney
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Ben Finney writes (Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright): Rather, I think such a declaration is not established to be an effective divestment of copyright in all the jurisdictions where Debian recipients operate

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-10-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 06:50:49PM +0200, Florent Rougon a écrit : [ Remainder: this thread is about a file whose copyright/licensing statement is of the form: # Copyright (C) 2002-2010, 2013, 2014 ... # Copyright (C) 2000 ... # # This program is in the public

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-10-10 Thread Ben Finney
Florent Rougon f.rou...@free.fr writes: It has been established by the mavens from this list that the copyright statements contradict the public domain assertion, and that simply stating This program is in the public domain is not enough to make it so in general. I've been a primary

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-09-17 Thread Florent Rougon
Thank you for your replies. It's a pity that properly releasing something in the public domain is apparently so difficult. The intent here was to make sure that anyone be free to copy anything from this file and use it in derivative works without restriction since it is a demo for a library.

Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-09-16 Thread Florent Rougon
Hello, I have a few questions regarding public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright files: 1. I have files in a program with the following copyright statement: # Copyright (C) 2002-2010, 2013, 2014 ... # Copyright (C) 2000 ... # # This program is in the public

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-09-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:18:11AM +0200, Florent Rougon a écrit : 1. I have files in a program with the following copyright statement: # Copyright (C) 2002-2010, 2013, 2014 ... # Copyright (C) 2000 ... # # This program is in the public domain. but, as I

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-09-16 Thread Ben Finney
Florent Rougon f.rou...@free.fr writes: 1. I have files in a program with the following copyright statement: # Copyright (C) 2002-2010, 2013, 2014 ... # Copyright (C) 2000 ... # # This program is in the public domain. but, as I understand it, public domain is the

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-09-16 Thread Riley Baird
I would recommend the copyright holders re-release the work clearly marked with a license grant of broad attribution-only license conditions; the Apache Software Foundation License 2.0 URL:http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Apache2.0 is a good one IMO. If they really want public domain,

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-09-16 Thread Ian Jackson
Ben Finney writes (Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright): Florent Rougon f.rou...@free.fr writes: 1. I have files in a program with the following copyright statement: # Copyright (C) 2002-2010, 2013, 2014 ... # Copyright (C) 2000

Re: Public domain and DEP-5-compliant debian/copyright

2014-09-16 Thread Ben Finney
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: This is nonsense. Courts are not computers. When interpreting legal documents such as licences, they read the intent of of the author. We would hope so, yes. They also take into account the intent of the *current* copyright holder. Courts