Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: This grants no permission to redistribute. What license from the copyright holder does the Debian project have to

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Ben Finney
Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: Perhaps the copyright holder doesn't realise that, if he grants additional permissions that “welcome packaging and redistribution”, that *is* changing the license (at least, the license as

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Far better than a separate statement in email, the full license terms should simply be updated in a new release of the work. That way, every recipient has access to the full terms under which they can act. Then the new license terms can be

RE: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Jim Larus
http://research.microsoft.com/~larus 425-706-2981 -Original Message- From: Ben Finney [mailto:ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:20 PM To: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Cc: Mackenzie Morgan; Jim Larus Subject: Re: RFS: spim

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Jim Larus la...@microsoft.com wrote: OK, let's make this simple. The Debian project has permission to distribute spim and xspim. ... Is this sufficient? Great, thanks! Some permission to modify and distribute modified versions would be useful in the case a

RE: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Jim Larus
://research.microsoft.com/~larus   425-706-2981 -Original Message- From: paul.is.w...@gmail.com [mailto:paul.is.w...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Wise Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:59 PM To: Jim Larus Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org; Mackenzie Morgan Subject: Re: RFS: spim On Thu, Nov 12, 2009

Re: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Ben Finney
Jim Larus la...@microsoft.com writes: Just to confirm: I give permission to any open source project to modify and distribute spim and xspim, so long as my name and copyright remains on the code. Thanks for persisting with this. However, this is insufficient for the work to meet the Debian

RE: RFS: spim

2009-11-11 Thread Jim Larus
-Original Message- From: Ben Finney [mailto:ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:41 PM To: Jim Larus Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org; Mackenzie Morgan Subject: Re: RFS: spim Jim Larus la...@microsoft.com writes: Just to confirm: I give permission to any open

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-27 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: * Package name: spim Version : 7.5-1 When I was asked to some university exercises with spim I used spimsal 4.4.2, a fork of an older version of spim that advertises itself to be available under the terms of the GPL v1. How about

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-27 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 19 October 2009 5:10:54 am Ben Finney wrote: Okay. The Debian project still needs the copyright holder's explicit license to redistribute, otherwise the work can't even be in ‘non-free’. I talked to Larus and he said he would send a statement to Debian Legal. Does that work? --

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-27 Thread Ben Finney
Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: On Monday 19 October 2009 5:10:54 am Ben Finney wrote: Okay. The Debian project still needs the copyright holder's explicit license to redistribute, otherwise the work can't even be in ‘non-free’. I talked to Larus and he said he would send a

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: The license is as follows:     You may make copies of SPIM for your own use and modify those copies.     All copies of SPIM must retain my name and copyright notice.    

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: This grants no permission to redistribute. What license from the copyright holder does the Debian project have to redistribute this in ‘non-free’? If the answer is “nothing

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Monday 19 October 2009 3:42:31 am Ben Finney wrote: Since it seems the copyright holder wants to have as little hassle from copyright licensing as possible, I would suggest the terms of the Expat license URL:http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt as being brief, easily-understood, and

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 06:42:31PM +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/spim/current/copyright Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
[sending again, this time with Mackenzie's requested Cc] Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want Debian to rely on it. Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au writes: Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes: IMO, the statement isn't particularly clear and I would not want Debian to rely on it. Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: Le Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 06:42:31PM +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : Not only that, it isn't an explicit statement from the copyright holder at all; it's someone else reporting in their own words: […] That's far from what we normally require: explicit

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: I think it's unlikely that an alert ftpmaster would today allow it into the archive in such a state, and I'm alerting the maintainer of this. In case you missed it, spim has been removed from Debian for a long time

Re: RFS: spim

2009-10-18 Thread Ben Finney
Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com writes: [Please CC me in replies] Done. I am sending to the ‘debian-legal’ forum, to discuss the license terms of the work. * Package name: spim Version : 7.5-1 Upstream Author : James R. Larus la...@microsoft.com * URL :