Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Matthew Johnson writes (Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation): Well, if we take the position that it's not copyrightable then for our point of view it's not a problem what the licence is, we can distribute in main. It's also not a problem form his PoV, because he's

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 17 mars 2009 à 14:54 +, MJ Ray a écrit : In general, I'd support this. Further, j...@debian's implementation included at X.org is not subject to the other holder's copyright, so I'd report the bogus CC-NC-ND layout claim as a bug to X.org. Has that happened? This thread hinted

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-19 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 17 mars 2009 à 23:13 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : Unless there are copyrightable comments, which can be stripped out, I don't think there's anything here that we should recognize as covered by copyright at all. Keep the keyboard mapping we currently have in X if it's useful

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 05:47:55PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: there are two available layouts for French Dvorak keyboards. One of them, which is the cause of my concern, was written by Francis Leboutte, and was originally distributed as a (non-free) Windows driver. I started then to make

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-17 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 16 mars 2009 à 11:18 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : Is there any hope of getting Leboutte to license this under CC without the NC and ND clauses or retract his claims? I don’t think so, but maybe an open source evangelist would have better luck. Alternatively, can someone generate a

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-17 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 16 mars 2009 à 11:18 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : Is there any hope of getting Leboutte to license this under CC without the NC and ND clauses or retract his claims? I don’t think so, but maybe an open source evangelist would have better luck. try the

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-17 Thread MJ Ray
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org wrote: try the counterattack method: - he has checked the licenses of original layout? (Surely was not a dream that give him the Dvorak base, probably he copied layout from an existing implementation, not from papers) - Why he can copy the layout

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-17 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lundi 16 mars 2009 à 11:18 -0700, Don Armstrong a écrit : Is there any hope of getting Leboutte to license this under CC without the NC and ND clauses or retract his claims? I don’t think so, but maybe an open source evangelist would have

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-16 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Mon Mar 16 17:47, Josselin Mouette wrote: It is my opinion that, in European law, the copyright on a keyboard mapping does not affect that of its implementation, because, among other things, of the interoperability exception – in the same way a function prototype is not subject to

Re: The copyright of a keyboard mapping and its implementation

2009-03-16 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: However, the Francis Leboutte mapping is now included in Debian. This means we should settle on this issue: if we consider it non-free, we must remove this layout (and all derivatives) from the distribution; if we don’t, there’s no barrier against