Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-30 Thread MJ Ray
Charles Plessy wrote: it would be much more productive if this scenario would be accompanied with some data and facts about which law in which country make the non-warranty disclaimer necessary, exemplified by cases where these laws have successfully been used in court by the plaintiff. Here

Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:50:00 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: Charles Plessy wrote: [...] It is the addition of extra clauses and vague disclaimers that sometimes make licenses non-free (clauses like ‘do not kill people with my software’), so let's resist to temptation of making our license

Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-29 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 27.06.2010 15:13, schrieb Ben Finney: [ SVG logo without no warranty waiver ] This does seem to be a valid concern. The SVG standard allows for documents to contain executable code for animation with ECMAScript URL:http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#DOMAnimationExample. So that

Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-29 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Am 29.06.2010 14:49, schrieb Ben Finney: [ SVG logo without no warranty waiver ] I think it would be prudent to add a warranty disclaimer like those found in Expat license terms or similar. Why do we need a warranty waiver for a feature, we don't actually use? Because we also allow

Re: Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-29 Thread Pompee William
Hello, I understand the fact this feature isn't currently used and sounds like FUD, but why such a clause does exist for the logo without Debian? It assumes that in case of damages implying the use of the logo, the Debian Project do not provide any warranty like for any software as well as it

Re: Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-29 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 21:12:24 +0200, Pompee William wrote: Hello, I understand the fact this feature isn't currently used and sounds like FUD, but why such a clause does exist for the logo without Debian? It assumes that in case of damages implying the use of the logo, the Debian

Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 20:58:13 +0100 Julien Cristau wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 21:12:24 +0200, Pompee William wrote: Hello, I understand the fact this feature isn't currently used and sounds like FUD, but why such a clause does exist for the logo without Debian? It assumes that

Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-29 Thread Ben Finney
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl alexan...@schmehl.info writes: I still don't understand. Is it prudent to have such a clause, because someone else could embed a bad script, to be sure we are safe? That's what I'm saying. As I see it, the potential for legal confusion over who is implicitly

Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-29 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 08:31:52AM +1000, Ben Finney a écrit : I assume “how could that happen” there refers to the legal confusion. I don't pretend to be an expert, but “The Debian project is a major copyright holder in this work which caused damage to our systems, and there's no warranty

Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-29 Thread Ben Finney
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes: it would be much more productive if this scenario would be accompanied with some data and facts about which law in which country make the non-warranty disclaimer necessary, exemplified by cases where these laws have successfully been used in court by

logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-27 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! On #debian-www will raised concerns that there might be issues with respect to our logo license for including the debian lettering. It doesn't contain a warranty waiver, and given that we publish svg images which could contain potential harmful scripting (from will's interpretation,

Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-27 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:29:48 +0200 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Hi! Hello! On #debian-www will raised concerns that there might be issues with respect to our logo license for including the debian lettering. It doesn't contain a warranty waiver, If I understand correctly, the concern is

Re: Re: logo license with debian - no warranty missing?

2010-06-27 Thread Pompee William
Hello, I agree with your proposal to do nothing to protect the Debian trademark under the copyright law using the DOULL since the trademark is automatically protected under the trademark law and we should enforce it by this mean only. Regards Pompee William -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to