Spout package ready for upload (ITP with Bug#356492)

2006-05-30 Thread Javier Candeira
I am answering my own message because I realise I failed to include an important bit of info: I am looking for a sponsor for Spout. It is a tiny black and white caveshooter that runs on top of SDL, As you can read in the relevant bug (#356492), a .deb package exists, and it is DFSG-free,

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Goswin von Brederlow schrieb: But does it have any use without the non-free firmware? Only then can you close an eye and let it stay in main due to its other functions. Yes: Loading free firmware. Whether such a thing exists is largely irrelevant; for the loader, it is just data, and we

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Goswin von Brederlow schrieb: But does it have any use without the non-free firmware? Only then can you close an eye and let it stay in main due to its other functions. Yes: Loading free firmware. Whether such a thing exists is largely

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 May 2006, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: A downloader package is a bit of grey area; much like a typical contrib package, it has some more-or-less hardcoded string that points to non-free data; it does not, however, depend on anything outside of main to function (since main is

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Raphael Hertzog said: Contrib is effectively meant for wrapper on non-free stuff. But contrib is really needed when the wrapper stuff is the *main purpose* of the package. In the case concerning us, we have 10 lines of DFSG-free code that can be used to download

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 30 May 2006, Stephen Gran wrote: Can't you just ship those ten lines in contrib, and the rest in main? This may be archive bloat, but surely it's arch:all, so that minimizes the bloat at least. I am not over fond of the freer-than-free holy wars, but it does seem like this script is

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I go even further: I wish that the package use a low-priority debconf question (defaulting to do not download) to let the user execute the wrapper at installation time. Of course, the question should warn the user that he's about to download

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:26:56PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote: No, it wasn't. As long as I can remember, packages which contained a small part of contrib material, which was not crucial for the function of the package as a whole, can go to main. Look at the policy: , 2.2.1 The main

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
Bas Wijnen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 03:26:56PM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote: No, it wasn't. As long as I can remember, packages which contained a small part of contrib material, which was not crucial for the function of the package as a whole, can go to main. Look at

How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Tautschnig
Hi all! This email is motivated by an effective current issue, as detailed below, but I'm seeing myself in similar situations quite often. There is a package, which isn't officially orphaned, but the maintainer is neither responding to bug reports nor to mails to her @d.o address. Even though

Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:49:22PM +0200, Michael Tautschnig wrote: Hi all! This email is motivated by an effective current issue, as detailed below, but I'm seeing myself in similar situations quite often. There is a package, which isn't officially orphaned, but the maintainer is neither

Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Joe Smith
Michael Tautschnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That is a Serious bug, and is a FTBFS, so AIUI, it is RC. So it can be filex in a NMU. However, According the the Developer's reference, only DD's can NMU. If that is true, then sponsored NMU are not allowed.

Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:37:56PM -0400, Joe Smith wrote: Michael Tautschnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That is a Serious bug, and is a FTBFS, so AIUI, it is RC. So it can be filex in a NMU. However, According the the Developer's reference, only DD's can

sponsored NMU (Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?)

2006-05-30 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:37:56PM -0400, Joe Smith wrote: That is a Serious bug, and is a FTBFS, so AIUI, it is RC. So it can be filex in a NMU. However, According the the Developer's reference, only DD's can NMU. If that is true, then sponsored NMU are not allowed. However, tradition

Re: Question about linux-wlan-ng-firmware in main

2006-05-30 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Frank Küster said: Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't you just ship those ten lines in contrib, and the rest in main? This may be archive bloat, but surely it's arch:all, so that minimizes the bloat at least. I am not over fond of the freer-than-free

Re: C Tutorial ?

2006-05-30 Thread Roger Leigh
Jon Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 1146961412 past the epoch, Roger Leigh wrote: Note that programming GTK+ in C is not C programming, it's GObject programming. This requires that you know not only about how objects are implemented on a fundamental level by the C++ compiler (...), but

Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:03:19PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: There are no technical measures in place which *prohibit* developers from sponsoring NMUs. Nevertheless, the concept of a sponsored NMU is a broken one, because responsibility for the NMU lies with the uploader, not with the

Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Bart Martens wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:03:19PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: There are no technical measures in place which *prohibit* developers from sponsoring NMUs. Nevertheless, the concept of a sponsored NMU is a broken one, because responsibility for the NMU lies with the

[RFS] NMU of gcc-h8300-hms

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Tautschnig
As I've been told a few hours ago, I hereby request a sponsor for an NMU of gcc-h8300-hms. The files are available from http://www.model.in.tum.de/~tautschn/debian/ ; the according patch has been posted to the BTS, #328244 Cheers, Michael signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 30 May 2006, Bart Martens wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:03:19PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: There are no technical measures in place which *prohibit* developers from sponsoring NMUs. Nevertheless, the concept of a sponsored NMU is a broken one, because responsibility for the

Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:04:00PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 30 May 2006, Bart Martens wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:03:19PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: There are no technical measures in place which *prohibit* developers from sponsoring NMUs. Nevertheless, the concept of a

Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?

2006-05-30 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 30 May 2006, Steve Langasek wrote: The difference being that most of the time when someone sponsors an NMU, they're effectively shirking their own duty to follow up on the package and ensure that the NMU hasn't introduced any regressions. Often, they're shirking their duty to even

RFS: distributed-net [non-free]

2006-05-30 Thread James Stark
Hi, The distributed-net package was orphaned by it's maintainer a few weeks ago, and I have decided to adopt it. I have prepared a new version of the package, and would now like to request that someone sponsor it. The short and long descriptions below were taken from the control file for

sponsored NMU's to be forbidden (Re: How can a non-DD fix broken packages?)

2006-05-30 Thread Bart Martens
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:48:06PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: IMHO we really should have a global NMU blacklist (no, never per-package. That way lies lameness) which we could ask the ctte to place maintainers in for a few months when someone does the NMU-and-forget routine and