Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-12-12 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 12:09 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: It might actually be best to store all this upstream data in the PackageMap or somewhere associated with it and map from Debian package - PackageMap name - upstream metadata. I'm also reminded of things like DOAP, which are sometimes

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-12-11 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:09:47PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Again, all of this is very preliminary and undocumented. The main message I would like to give is that indeed, for all the information that is not

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-27 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Rather, it would be good to have a facility similar to the way the Debian changelog is currently available: have the upstream changelog published in a predictable location by package name. Where the changelog is already part of the

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jonathan Wiltshire deb...@jwiltshire.org.uk wrote: Where the changelog is already part of the source package and has a sensible name, and the package calls dh_installchangelogs, it's already installed as /usr/share/doc/*/changelog and the Debian changelog as

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-27 Thread Ben Finney
Jonathan Wiltshire deb...@jwiltshire.org.uk writes: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Rather, it would be good to have a facility similar to the way the Debian changelog is currently available: have the upstream changelog published in a predictable location by

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-27 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Wiltshire deb...@jwiltshire.org.uk writes: On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Rather, it would be good to have a facility similar to the way the Debian changelog is currently available: have the upstream changelog published in a predictable location by

Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Tony Houghton
What should go in a Debian changelog compared to the upstream changelog? (a) Confine it to new upstream release, a list of any closed debian bugs and packaging changes? (b) As above plus a summary of the most important upstream changes? (c) Details of all the upstream changes too? -- TH *

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:29:31PM +, Tony Houghton wrote: What should go in a Debian changelog compared to the upstream changelog? (a) Confine it to new upstream release, a list of any closed debian bugs and packaging changes? (b) As above plus a summary of the most important upstream

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:29:31PM +, Tony Houghton wrote: What should go in a Debian changelog compared to the upstream changelog? (a) Confine it to new upstream release, a list of any closed debian bugs and packaging changes? Keep it to a minimum (that's what upstream's changelog is

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Ben Finney
Tony Houghton h...@realh.co.uk writes: What should go in a Debian changelog compared to the upstream changelog? Well now, there's “should” and there's “should”. (a) Confine it to new upstream release, a list of any closed debian bugs and packaging changes? Of the options you present, this

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Tony Houghton
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:35:34 +1100 Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Tony Houghton h...@realh.co.uk writes: What should go in a Debian changelog compared to the upstream changelog? Well now, there's “should” and there's “should”. (a) Confine it to new upstream release, a

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Ben Finney
Tony Houghton h...@realh.co.uk writes: Good point. Is there not a control field where you can give a URL for an upstream changelog? No, I don't think such a thing belongs in the ‘control’ file. There is significant pressure *against* adding fields to that file, since the addition of such a

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +1100, Ben Finney a écrit : Rather, it would be good to have a facility similar to the way the Debian changelog is currently available: have the upstream changelog published in a predictable location by package name. A good project from someone with a lot

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: I propose to store this information and similar ones in a parsable file in the debian directory of the packages. For instance, debian/upstream-metadata.yaml. For packages stored in a VCS, this information will be easy to

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Ben Finney wrote: This is what I do. Rationale: The Debian changelog, unlike the upstream changelog, is available for all Debian packages using standard tools *before* installing the package, which as a user is the time I most want to see what has changed in a new release of a package.

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:06:51AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: I propose to store this information and similar ones in a parsable file in the debian directory of the packages. For instance,

Re: Debian changelog vs upstream changelog

2009-11-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Again, all of this is very preliminary and undocumented. The main message I would like to give is that indeed, for all the information that is not specific to Debian, there must be other ways to make them flow from the