Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-11-05 Thread Florent Rougon
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reduces the memory wasted and speeds up processing in dpkg, dselect, apt, aptitude, britney, ... It's also useful for simple humans looking at the dependencies of a package: having all dependencies, including those on essential packages, would

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-31 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:33:49 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The error is, if you don't *need* a specific version of the package, you shouldn't depend on it at /all/. Essential means it's always available, so there's no reason for you to

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:33:49 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The error is, if you don't *need* a specific version of the package, you shouldn't depend on it at /all/. Essential means it's always available, so there's no reason for you to depend on it. I have never understood the

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:06:08PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:33:49 -0700, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The error is, if you don't *need* a specific version of the package, you shouldn't depend on it at /all/. Essential means it's always available, so there's

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 02:01:54PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:59:05PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: Packages aren't moved out of essential. So you can guarantee that bash will always be essential? Certainly not. :-) I'm saying that we don't plan to ever make it

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 02:01:54PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:59:05PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: Packages aren't moved out of essential. So you can guarantee that bash will always be essential? I believe that we won't ever remove *functionality* from the Essential

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-10-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 02:01:54PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:59:05PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: Packages aren't moved out of essential. So you can guarantee that bash will always be essential? I believe that we won't ever

Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi everybody, if I add a dependency on util-linux because I need that /sbin/getty is installed, why must this dependency be versioned? If I simply add Depends: util-linux lintian complains loudly and issues an error message: depends-on-essential-package-without-using-version depends: util-linux

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:29:27PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: if I add a dependency on util-linux because I need that /sbin/getty is installed, why must this dependency be versioned? If I simply add Depends: util-linux lintian complains loudly and issues an error message:

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 01:29:27PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: if I add a dependency on util-linux because I need that /sbin/getty is installed, why must this dependency be versioned? If I simply add Depends: util-linux lintian complains loudly and issues an error

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:38:28PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Sounds reasonable. Thanks for the explanation. Sometimes I wished lintian would display hints like yours and not only such short one liners. The same explanation that Steve gave is found in the Debian Policy and/or the

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Franz Pletz
On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:38:28PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Sometimes I wished lintian would display hints like yours and not only such short one liners. Use lintian -i for more verbose output. Cheers, Franz -- Franz Pletz \ A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. www:

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Sebastian Harl
Hi, Sometimes I wished lintian would display hints like yours and not only such short one liners. The same explanation that Steve gave is found in the Debian Policy and/or the developer reference. Hopefully, you have read both of those. If you use lintian -i you get a more detailed

Re: Depending on an essential package

2006-09-18 Thread Michael Biebl
Franz Pletz wrote: On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:38:28PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Sometimes I wished lintian would display hints like yours and not only such short one liners. Use lintian -i for more verbose output. Mea culpa! I indeed missed -i completely. Next time I better learn how to