Hi all .

2001-11-04 Thread linuxx

I do two packets at this time and im looking for a mentor.
One is a perl script for do backups . Name flexbackup
Second is a ircservices daemon for control nicks,chanels,etc. Name
ircservices. 
Both are GPL . If someone like to see the packets please
contact.
If speak spanish better.

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Re: Applicant w/ package

2001-11-04 Thread Roland Mas

Andrew Suffield (2001-11-04 01:03:40 +) :

 On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 05:30:57PM -0300, ReivaX wrote:
 Hi ppl in this nice list :)
 Im looking to be an applicant to debian developer. It seems i need an
 advocate... I want more info on how to get someone know about me..
 I have packaged mplayer (the video player for X) with gui support and a
 default skin, ready to be used.

 You have got to be kidding. Read any one of the half a dozen prior
 threads about this and how it cannot be packaged, due to license,
 patent, and upstream arsehole issues.

  Maybe it would be worth listing it on the can't be packaged page
at URL:http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package?

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Re: Applicant w/ package

2001-11-04 Thread Martin Michlmayr

* Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20011104 16:08]:
   Maybe it would be worth listing it on the can't be packaged page
 at URL:http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package?

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Re: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source

2001-11-04 Thread Florian Hinzmann


On 03-Nov-2001 Eduard Bloch wrote:

 My definition of touch includeves everything besides the simple
 configure run (and removing configu.{guess,sub}).

I can't do a configure run as there is no configure script!
I do have to run the autotools scripts.

The question is when to run it. Before or after the Debian
diff is built.


 In fact I do run autogen.sh in the clean rule. Please
 
 WHAT? You should CLEAN, not generate something in the clean rule.

From /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian.gz:

 Do note that a properly done autogen.sh invocation runs before dpkg has a
 chance to build the source package, so as to make sure an user does NOT need
 any of the programs called by autogen.sh to build the package. This will, in
 fact, ease the load on auto-builders as well since the program will build much
 faster.

Please tell me where I should call the autogen.sh if not
in clean rule to archive this.


 read the README.Debian from package autotools-dev I
 mentioned above. It explains this issue much better I
 
 I guess, you misenterpret it a bit.

See above.


 Not an option as far as I understand this issue 
 up to now. Autobuilders have or might have problems
 with this.
 
 They should not. If they become trouble, then either your package is

Might be, the should not. But as a matter of fact they do. 
What now?

 broken (your problem) or the autotools are broken(others problem, but
 should be okay Sid currently).

There is a third option: They have a incompatible version
of autotools installed. This may happen very easily if a 
newer version is installed than the package uses. Just 
happened with 1.4 - 1.5!


If I did misread that README I would be glad if you could
explain what I did understand wrong. IMHO I am right here.
I even looked at some packages which do it this way.


Regards
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Re: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source

2001-11-04 Thread Steve M. Robbins

Florian,

In your original mail, the question was what to do about symbolic
links like missing -- /usr/share/automake/missing.  The answer is:
replace them by the file to which they are linked.

More puzzling, though, is that the output of dpkg-source says that
the old version is nonexistent.  Normally one would expect the
source distribution to include these files (INSTALL, install-sh, etc).
The absence of such files suggests that either you are packaging from
CVS, or perhaps that you are deleting the files in debian/rules
clean.

If you're building from CVS (I'll ignore the question why?), you'll
need a .orig.tar file to upload anyway, so the best thing to do
is make dist, and work from the resulting tarball which will have
all the required files.

If you are deleting the files yourself, then the fix is simple: don't
do that.  Notwithstanding autotools-dev README, I find the best policy
for dealing with auto-based packages is to simply drop in the latest
/usr/share/misc/config.{guess,sub}, if required, and build.

When I packaged my first package, I thought it would be a good idea to
make the diff as small as possible.  I read the diff to double-check
the modifications I make to the sources when I package things.  Having
the diff of configure and config.guess and the like mixed in was
annoying, so I used to remove configure in debian/rules clean, and
run autoconf in debian/rules build-stamp.  The diff is much smaller
and easier to read.

However, after a number of bug reports, I have changed my mind.  It
doesn't pay to mess around with automake/autoconf/libtool and stuff
inside debian/rules.  All I do now is: make any tweaks to Makefile.am
or configure.in, re-run the auto-stuff on my local copy, and live with
the enlarged diff that results.  If you need to run-something like
autogen.sh that has automake --add-missing --force, just replace the
resulting symlinks by the corresponding file.  Again, you need only do
this once.



On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:18:47PM +0100, Florian Hinzmann wrote:

  In fact I do run autogen.sh in the clean rule. Please
  
  WHAT? You should CLEAN, not generate something in the clean rule.
 
 From /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian.gz:
 
  Do note that a properly done autogen.sh invocation runs before dpkg has a
  chance to build the source package, so as to make sure an user does NOT need
  any of the programs called by autogen.sh to build the package. This will, in
  fact, ease the load on auto-builders as well since the program will build much
  faster.
 
 Please tell me where I should call the autogen.sh if not
 in clean rule to archive this.

As I read this section, Henrique is talking about regenerating files
that are not stored in CVS.  I don't know why he put this in the
README.  Debian packaging assumes you start from a source
distribution tarball that *includes* all these files.  

Actually, I find Henrique's wording is slightly confusing.  It is not
true that the configure script and Makefile.in are supposed to be
regenerated at every build.  These files need to be rebuilt each time
their input (i.e. configure.in) changes.  No more often than that.
You really only need to worry if you patch configure.in or
Makefile.am.

In addition, you need to worry about config.{guess,sub} 
*if used by the sources*.  However, it's easy enough to 
drop in the latest version when you prepare a new upload.  
The rest of /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian.gz 
can be safely ignored.

-Steve

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Re: Package review

2001-11-04 Thread Warren Turkal

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Does anyone have any links for ECN stuff with relation to Cisco routers 
as my sysadmin at school does not know what ECN is.
Warren

On Friday 02 November 2001 05:41 am, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
 Please inform the administrators of your server (www.cbu.edu) that
 their router is broken. It rejects ECN enabled.

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  http://www.cbu.edu/~wturkal/debian/
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Re: Package review

2001-11-04 Thread Peter S Galbraith


Warren Turkal wrote:

 Does anyone have any links for ECN stuff with relation to Cisco routers 
 as my sysadmin at school does not know what ECN is.

http://www.aciri.org/floyd/ecn.html
 ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) in TCP/IP

which has a link to:

 http://gtf.org/garzik/ecn/
  ECN-under-Linux Unofficial Vendor Support Page

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Re: Applicant w/ package

2001-11-04 Thread Robert Millan

On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 16:26:20 Martin Michlmayr wrote:
 * Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20011104 16:08]:
Maybe it would be worth listing it on the can't be packaged page
  at URL:http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package?

you must be confused. the patent problems are only affecting the opendivx
codec. I spoke with the maintainer about this problem, the opendivx codec
is just not going into the mplayer package. the program itself is GPL

regarding the technical issues, the main problem was that mplayer uses
higher CPU optimizations on compilation. This can be solved by including
a part of the sources in the binary package and building them in postinst
or even by building many mplayer-* packages.

this is a hard package, Dariush Pietrzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] has done a
great job making it work. please don't trash it and reassign that entry to
ITP.

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Re: place of ldconfig in postinst

2001-11-04 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut

On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:17:36AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
  
  This is no different from working with a bunch of coders and everyone
  agreeing
  on a common code formatting.
  
  Talk to the maintainer of debhelper ?
  
 
 dh_make is NOT maintained by Joey Hess, the debhelper maint.  In fact he has
 nothing to do with it.

Oh, sorry. I was confused by the fact that the maintainer's scripts were kept
under /usr/share/debhelper.

Should we ask Craig Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] to sync those .ex files with
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Re: Package review

2001-11-04 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut

On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 03:04:18PM -0600, Warren Turkal wrote:
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 Does anyone have any links for ECN stuff with relation to Cisco routers 
 as my sysadmin at school does not know what ECN is.
 Warren

See 

http://www.aciri.org/floyd/ecn.html

and

http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s14-2


OTOH, please fix your mail client, I received your message 3 (!) times.

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Re: place of ldconfig in postinst

2001-11-04 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

 
 Should we ask Craig Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] to sync those .ex files with
 Lintian ?
 

actually he should sync them with debhelper.


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Hi all .

2001-11-04 Thread linuxx
I do two packets at this time and im looking for a mentor.
One is a perl script for do backups . Name flexbackup
Second is a ircservices daemon for control nicks,chanels,etc. Name
ircservices. 
Both are GPL . If someone like to see the packets please
contact.
If speak spanish better.

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Re: Applicant w/ package

2001-11-04 Thread Roland Mas
Andrew Suffield (2001-11-04 01:03:40 +) :

 On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 05:30:57PM -0300, ReivaX wrote:
 Hi ppl in this nice list :)
 Im looking to be an applicant to debian developer. It seems i need an
 advocate... I want more info on how to get someone know about me..
 I have packaged mplayer (the video player for X) with gui support and a
 default skin, ready to be used.

 You have got to be kidding. Read any one of the half a dozen prior
 threads about this and how it cannot be packaged, due to license,
 patent, and upstream arsehole issues.

  Maybe it would be worth listing it on the can't be packaged page
at URL:http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package?

Roland.
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Re: Applicant w/ package

2001-11-04 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20011104 16:08]:
   Maybe it would be worth listing it on the can't be packaged page
 at URL:http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package?

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Re: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source

2001-11-04 Thread Florian Hinzmann

On 03-Nov-2001 Eduard Bloch wrote:

 My definition of touch includeves everything besides the simple
 configure run (and removing configu.{guess,sub}).

I can't do a configure run as there is no configure script!
I do have to run the autotools scripts.

The question is when to run it. Before or after the Debian
diff is built.


 In fact I do run autogen.sh in the clean rule. Please
 
 WHAT? You should CLEAN, not generate something in the clean rule.

From /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian.gz:

 Do note that a properly done autogen.sh invocation runs before dpkg has a
 chance to build the source package, so as to make sure an user does NOT need
 any of the programs called by autogen.sh to build the package. This will, in
 fact, ease the load on auto-builders as well since the program will build much
 faster.

Please tell me where I should call the autogen.sh if not
in clean rule to archive this.


 read the README.Debian from package autotools-dev I
 mentioned above. It explains this issue much better I
 
 I guess, you misenterpret it a bit.

See above.


 Not an option as far as I understand this issue 
 up to now. Autobuilders have or might have problems
 with this.
 
 They should not. If they become trouble, then either your package is

Might be, the should not. But as a matter of fact they do. 
What now?

 broken (your problem) or the autotools are broken(others problem, but
 should be okay Sid currently).

There is a third option: They have a incompatible version
of autotools installed. This may happen very easily if a 
newer version is installed than the package uses. Just 
happened with 1.4 - 1.5!


If I did misread that README I would be glad if you could
explain what I did understand wrong. IMHO I am right here.
I even looked at some packages which do it this way.


Regards
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Re: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source

2001-11-04 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Florian,

In your original mail, the question was what to do about symbolic
links like missing -- /usr/share/automake/missing.  The answer is:
replace them by the file to which they are linked.

More puzzling, though, is that the output of dpkg-source says that
the old version is nonexistent.  Normally one would expect the
source distribution to include these files (INSTALL, install-sh, etc).
The absence of such files suggests that either you are packaging from
CVS, or perhaps that you are deleting the files in debian/rules
clean.

If you're building from CVS (I'll ignore the question why?), you'll
need a .orig.tar file to upload anyway, so the best thing to do
is make dist, and work from the resulting tarball which will have
all the required files.

If you are deleting the files yourself, then the fix is simple: don't
do that.  Notwithstanding autotools-dev README, I find the best policy
for dealing with auto-based packages is to simply drop in the latest
/usr/share/misc/config.{guess,sub}, if required, and build.

When I packaged my first package, I thought it would be a good idea to
make the diff as small as possible.  I read the diff to double-check
the modifications I make to the sources when I package things.  Having
the diff of configure and config.guess and the like mixed in was
annoying, so I used to remove configure in debian/rules clean, and
run autoconf in debian/rules build-stamp.  The diff is much smaller
and easier to read.

However, after a number of bug reports, I have changed my mind.  It
doesn't pay to mess around with automake/autoconf/libtool and stuff
inside debian/rules.  All I do now is: make any tweaks to Makefile.am
or configure.in, re-run the auto-stuff on my local copy, and live with
the enlarged diff that results.  If you need to run-something like
autogen.sh that has automake --add-missing --force, just replace the
resulting symlinks by the corresponding file.  Again, you need only do
this once.



On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:18:47PM +0100, Florian Hinzmann wrote:

  In fact I do run autogen.sh in the clean rule. Please
  
  WHAT? You should CLEAN, not generate something in the clean rule.
 
 From /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian.gz:
 
  Do note that a properly done autogen.sh invocation runs before dpkg has a
  chance to build the source package, so as to make sure an user does NOT need
  any of the programs called by autogen.sh to build the package. This will, in
  fact, ease the load on auto-builders as well since the program will build 
  much
  faster.
 
 Please tell me where I should call the autogen.sh if not
 in clean rule to archive this.

As I read this section, Henrique is talking about regenerating files
that are not stored in CVS.  I don't know why he put this in the
README.  Debian packaging assumes you start from a source
distribution tarball that *includes* all these files.  

Actually, I find Henrique's wording is slightly confusing.  It is not
true that the configure script and Makefile.in are supposed to be
regenerated at every build.  These files need to be rebuilt each time
their input (i.e. configure.in) changes.  No more often than that.
You really only need to worry if you patch configure.in or
Makefile.am.

In addition, you need to worry about config.{guess,sub} 
*if used by the sources*.  However, it's easy enough to 
drop in the latest version when you prepare a new upload.  
The rest of /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian.gz 
can be safely ignored.

-Steve

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Re: Package review

2001-11-04 Thread Warren Turkal
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Does anyone have any links for ECN stuff with relation to Cisco routers 
as my sysadmin at school does not know what ECN is.
Warren

On Friday 02 November 2001 05:41 am, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
 Please inform the administrators of your server (www.cbu.edu) that
 their router is broken. It rejects ECN enabled.

 On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 12:52:18PM -0600, Warren Turkal wrote:
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  Could someone please take a look at my package for uml at:
  http://www.cbu.edu/~wturkal/debian/
  Warren
 
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Re: Package review

2001-11-04 Thread Peter S Galbraith

Warren Turkal wrote:

 Does anyone have any links for ECN stuff with relation to Cisco routers 
 as my sysadmin at school does not know what ECN is.

http://www.aciri.org/floyd/ecn.html
 ECN (Explicit Congestion Notification) in TCP/IP

which has a link to:

 http://gtf.org/garzik/ecn/
  ECN-under-Linux Unofficial Vendor Support Page

Peter



Re: Applicant w/ package

2001-11-04 Thread Robert Millan
On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 16:26:20 Martin Michlmayr wrote:
 * Roland Mas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20011104 16:08]:
Maybe it would be worth listing it on the can't be packaged page
  at URL:http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package?

you must be confused. the patent problems are only affecting the opendivx
codec. I spoke with the maintainer about this problem, the opendivx codec
is just not going into the mplayer package. the program itself is GPL

regarding the technical issues, the main problem was that mplayer uses
higher CPU optimizations on compilation. This can be solved by including
a part of the sources in the binary package and building them in postinst
or even by building many mplayer-* packages.

this is a hard package, Dariush Pietrzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] has done a
great job making it work. please don't trash it and reassign that entry to
ITP.

thanks,

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Re: place of ldconfig in postinst

2001-11-04 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:17:36AM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
  
  This is no different from working with a bunch of coders and everyone
  agreeing
  on a common code formatting.
  
  Talk to the maintainer of debhelper ?
  
 
 dh_make is NOT maintained by Joey Hess, the debhelper maint.  In fact he has
 nothing to do with it.

Oh, sorry. I was confused by the fact that the maintainer's scripts were kept
under /usr/share/debhelper.

Should we ask Craig Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] to sync those .ex files with
Lintian ?

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Re: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source

2001-11-04 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
Florian Hinzmann wrote on Sun Nov 04, 2001 um 08:18:47PM:

 I can't do a configure run as there is no configure script!
 I do have to run the autotools scripts.
 
 The question is when to run it. Before or after the Debian
 diff is built.

Well, if you _need_ the makefile to clean the cruft after the build, you
may run autogen.sh once, then make clean, then remove the fresh
created symlinks, then dh_clean. IMHO.

  Not an option as far as I understand this issue 
  up to now. Autobuilders have or might have problems
  with this.
  
  They should not. If they become trouble, then either your package is
 
 Might be, the should not. But as a matter of fact they do. 
 What now?

Find out what actually breaks on auto-builders and file bug reports.

 There is a third option: They have a incompatible version
 of autotools installed. This may happen very easily if a 
 newer version is installed than the package uses. Just 
 happened with 1.4 - 1.5!

That is why compatibility is a holy grail in Debian development.

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Re: place of ldconfig in postinst

2001-11-04 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
 
 Should we ask Craig Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] to sync those .ex files with
 Lintian ?
 

actually he should sync them with debhelper.