Bug#241333: Mandate UTF-8 for changelog files

2008-07-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 06:40:38PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml index 24c9072..219664d 100644 --- a/policy.sgml +++ b/policy.sgml @@ -273,6 +273,32 @@ /p /sect + sect id=definitions + headingDefinitions/heading + + p +

Bug#416450: [PROPOSAL] New option in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS to avoid running test-suites

2008-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: Here's a slightly modified version of Guillem's patch that makes fewer assumptions about the structure of the debian/rules file in the example and doesn't refer to a non-mandatory target (install). Seconds? Seconded. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Le

Bug#473019: debian-policy: clarification needed for local builtin exception for /bin/sh

2008-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: I suggest that Policy be amended to require that local a b c=delta e scope variables a, b, c, and e as local, and assign the string delta to the local c. Here is a proposed patch that implements Clint's suggestion. Seconds? Seconded.

Bug#470994: mail_spool default mode is 0660

2008-07-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 04:26:25PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Okay, given that I see no rationale for the sentence Mailboxes must be writable by group mail., I'm reassigning this to debian-policy. Here is a proposed change to loosen this requirement. Please comment. One concern that I

Bug#143941: Mandate UTF-8 for control files

2008-07-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 03:27:12PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: This transition is already complete in the archive, so this change catches Policy up with current practice. The new paragraph would go into Policy 5.1 (Syntax of control files). Seconds? diff --git a/policy.sgml b/policy.sgml

Bug#483418: Not limit dpkg-divert to install but valid also for upgrade in app.

2008-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: Please check the following patch, which attempts to clarify how dpkg diversions should be handled. Once I started digging into this, the cases looked more complex than I had expected. I tried to add more language to explain the whole situation on the

Bug#143941: Mandate UTF-8 for control files

2008-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: This transition is already complete in the archive, so this change catches Policy up with current practice. The new paragraph would go into Policy 5.1 (Syntax of control files). Seconds? Seconded. -- Raphaël Hertzog Le best-seller français mis à

Bug#426877: Clarify what sensible behaviour is for init scripts

2008-07-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
Note that /etc/init.d/skeleton, on which many init scripts in Debian are based, handles this case correctly without using --oknodo. Are you sure? These are the start and stop sections of skeleton file in a Debian Etch: - do_start() { # Return # 0 if daemon has

Bug#426877: Clarify what sensible behaviour is for init scripts

2008-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: Note that /etc/init.d/skeleton, on which many init scripts in Debian are based, handles this case correctly without using --oknodo. Are you sure? These are the start and stop sections of skeleton file in a Debian Etch: No those are

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 05 juillet 2008 à 02:42 -0400, Daniel Dickinson a écrit : Gnome, KDE, and XFCE are the the top three desktops used in debian and cover most users of desktops in debian. They all use xdg .desktop-based menus as their main menu. The last time this discussion was raised up, the clear

Bug#426877: Clarify what sensible behaviour is for init scripts

2008-07-06 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2008/7/6 Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No those are functions... the main code runs without set -e and thus doesn't fail on the error and the return value of the function is checked: do_start case $? in 0|1) [ $VERBOSE != no ] log_end_msg 0 ;;

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current situation is the best: * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still hunting down entries that are useless to make them not show up by default; *

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 13:08:40 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: JH So, after sufficient time, the gnome menu will contain a random JH assortment of the menu items that also appear in the debian menu. fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread James Vega
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:08:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Josselin Mouette wrote: Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the current situation is the best: * the default menu contains only what is needed, and we are still hunting down entries that are

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Joey Hess
Mikhail Gusarov wrote: fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE menu and Qt/KDE - in Gnome one). That might work for

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2008-07-06, Mikhail Gusarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE menu and Qt/KDE - in

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2008-07-06 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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2008-07-06 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#241333: Mandate UTF-8 for changelog files

2008-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seconded. Thanks to you and Guillem for the review. Applied. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Bug#143941: Mandate UTF-8 for control files

2008-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: This transition is already complete in the archive, so this change catches Policy up with current practice. The new paragraph would go into Policy 5.1 (Syntax of control files). Seconds? Seconded. Applied.

Processed: user debian-pol...@packages.debian.org, setting package to debian-policy, tagging 416450 ...

2008-07-06 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: # Automatically generated email from bts, devscripts version 2.10.30 user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Setting user to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (was [EMAIL PROTECTED]). package debian-policy Ignoring bugs not assigned to: debian-policy tags 416450 - patch Bug#416450:

Bug#416450: [PROPOSAL] New option in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS to avoid running test-suites

2008-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: Here's a slightly modified version of Guillem's patch that makes fewer assumptions about the structure of the debian/rules file in the example and doesn't refer to a non-mandatory target (install). Seconds?

Bug#483418: Not limit dpkg-divert to install but valid also for upgrade in app.

2008-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Thanks for the review! Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 05 Jul 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: The postrm has to do the reverse: example - if [ remove = $1 ]; then + if [ remove = $1 -o abort-install = $1 -o disappear = $1 ]; then To be really complete we should

Bug#470994: mail_spool default mode is 0660

2008-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 04:26:25PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Here is a proposed change to loosen this requirement. Please comment. One concern that I have with allowing either permission scheme is that if an MUA needs to recreate the spool file, how

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2008-07-06, Loïc Minier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk applications deeper in KDE menu and Qt/KDE - in Gnome one). The users should have equal access to good programs. Are you

Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Loïc Minier
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008, Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2008-07-06, Mikhail Gusarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fd.o menus are designed to allow distro-specific policy. It's the matter of Debian KDE/Gnome packaging/menu policy to get the proper subset of the packages in menu (e.g. moving Gnome/gtk

Bug#483418: Not limit dpkg-divert to install but valid also for upgrade in app.

2008-07-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008, Russ Allbery wrote: Since this is Policy (even an appendix), and since the failure case is what people most frequently get wrong, I think I'd like to try to capture the whole situation. Do you think that something like this is more confusing than it's worth? I think it

initscripts: using /etc/init.d/package

2008-07-06 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all! Policy 3.8.0.1, 9.3.3, running initscripts say: The package maintainer scripts must use invoke-rc.d to invoke the /etc/init.d/* initscripts, instead of calling them directly. Then, but, it say: Most packages will simply need to change:

Bug#484656: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:13:30 +0700 Mikhail Gusarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Twas brillig at 13:08:40 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: JH So, after sufficient time, the gnome menu will contain a random JH assortment of the menu items that also appear in the

Bug#484656: Fw: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:28:15 +0200 From: Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daniel Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-policy@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu Le samedi 05 juillet 2008 à 02:42 -0400,

Bug#484656: Fw: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Begin forwarded message: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:08:40 -0400 From: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-policy@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu Josselin Mouette wrote: Therefore, I still feel that, despite it being a big mess, the

Bug#484656: Fw: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu

2008-07-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:13:30 +0700 From: Mikhail Gusarov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-policy@lists.debian.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gnome, kde, xfce use non-policy main menu Twas brillig at 13:08:40 06.07.2008 UTC-04 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and

Re: initscripts: using /etc/init.d/package

2008-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Eugene V. Lyubimkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The package maintainer scripts must use invoke-rc.d to invoke the /etc/init.d/* initscripts, instead of calling them directly. Then, but, it say: Most packages will simply need to change: /etc/init.d/package action in their

Re: initscripts: using /etc/init.d/package

2008-07-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 04:38:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Eugene V. Lyubimkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The package maintainer scripts must use invoke-rc.d to invoke the /etc/init.d/* initscripts, instead of calling them directly. Then, but, it say: Most packages will simply need

Re: initscripts: using /etc/init.d/package

2008-07-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 04:38:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: sysvinit is: Package: sysvinit Essential: yes Pre-Depends: [...] sysv-rc (= 2.86.ds1-1.2) | file-rc ( 0.7.0), [...] And both sysv-rc and file-rc provide invoke-rc.d. Since sysv-rc was

Re: initscripts: using /etc/init.d/package

2008-07-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 05:36:10PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 04:38:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: sysvinit is: Package: sysvinit Essential: yes Pre-Depends: [...] sysv-rc (= 2.86.ds1-1.2) | file-rc ( 0.7.0), [...]