Re: Wiki defence WAS: Wiki problem

On Nov 22, 2017 14:51, "Geert Stappers" wrote: On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 07:36:49PM +, bili...@firemail.cc wrote: Please translate > Can you do something about the debian wiki, they ban VPNs into } The VPNs I use have for some reason a bad reputation. } I don't gonna

Re: Censorship in Debian

.com/dictionary/censorship 1b: "the actions or practices of censors" [3] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor 1a: "an official who examines materials (such as publications or films) for objectionable matter" -- Eldon Koyle

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

Hi Jonathan, On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 4:34 PM Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 11:26:11AM -0700, Eldon Koyle wrote: > > I think there are many who are concerned about the process, not the CoC > > itself. Here are the main concerns as I see them (at least fr

Re: Censorship in Debian

.org/planet-team/config/commit/216930f1f3f906ef4cc28457b94d10ba844e3074 [2] https://salsa.debian.org/planet-team/config/commit/99662c1548fac57813e5288002e3c6eeccf25ec6 [3] https://salsa.debian.org/planet-team/config/commit/d2d7125b53dc4a2e832a5780013e29518c2420bc [4] https://salsa.debian.org/planet-team/config/commit/04651823388de

Re: Censorship in Debian

I think part of the toxicity is inherent in communicating via a mailing list. It is very easy to feel attacked when someone points out a problem with your argument (especially if you disagree with their counterpoints) -- even more so when you have spent hours trying to make a logical argument that hopefully won't offend anyone. -- Eldon Koyle

Re: On having and using a Code of Conduct

ople feel like their main point has not been and will not be heard.) -- Eldon Koyle

Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money

ed as task bounties rather than hiring full-time employees? Then the payment becomes an acknowledgement that a task is undesirable or time consuming, rather than a status symbol. -- Eldon Koyle

Re: Debian for blind people

Hello Pierre, The accessibility list would probably be the best place to ask questions. I'm copying them. There is a little bit of information in the install guide at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s02.html.en . There is also a wiki page at

Re: Results of the Antiharassment Team Survey

e In-Reply-To: header to the message-id of the message you are replying to. At the bottom of each message in the list archives there is a "Reply To:" section with links that should hopefully auto-populate the needed information in your mail client. -- Eldon Koyle

Sounding board for Debian forums?

Hi all, Would it be reasonable to create some kind of sounding board to facilitate long or complex discussions? The format used in email lists (and social media in general) does not seem well-suited for long or complex discussions. It often leads to fragmentation (ie. repeating opinions across

Re: Sounding board for Debian forums?

Hi All, On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:12 PM Philip Hands wrote: > > Ben Finney writes: > > > Eldon Koyle writes: > > > >> Is there some kind of software that could help people break down their > >> claims into fundamental parts, then get feedback on the parts

Re: Debian supports pridemonth?

d among Debian contributors. One other reason for some level of controversy is the lack of precedent (at least that I could find). [1] https://www.debian.org/intro/diversity -- Eldon Koyle

Re: Debian supports pridemonth?

some kind of ill-will for those who celebrate (or are celebrated by?) it. -- Eldon Koyle

Re: Debian supports pridemonth?

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:24 PM Sam Hartman wrote: > > >>>>> "Eldon" == Eldon Koyle writes: > > Eldon> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:49 PM Andrew M.A. Cater > wrote: > >> > Eldon> > >> Regardless of what some folk

Re: Debian supports pridemonth?

ming that it is a stretch to call the logo change a political statement? -- Eldon Koyle

Language on Debian lists [was: Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC, lglg]

[I'm intentionally leaving context out of this message.] [PSA: The biggest holiday season for much of the Western world is approaching, which can be stressful for many people, as well as providing them with more time than usual to respond on Debian lists. Conditions are perfect for a repeat of

Re: debian-project@lists.debian.org//Erbitte Hilfe//majord...@lists.debian.org

I think he is having problems with the debian-user-german list (it was the first line of the email with no context, easy to miss). Also, I suspect he is not subscribed to -project, so he likely did not receive the reply (my German is limited to Google translate, or I would help more). -- Eldon

Moderated forum for Debian (was: Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks)

At this point, I think moderation would be a very useful tool for the community. The ability to end off-topic or offensive threads without commenting on them beyond "this topic is not appropriate here, so we are deleting/closing the thread" or "this was not appropriate in your post, please fix

Re: [Summary] Discourse for Debian

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:48 PM Sam Hartman wrote: > > > "Ihor" == Ihor Antonov writes: > > > > Ihor> I want to leave this as is without final verdict. Everyone > Ihor> should make their own. > > I really appreciate the idea of summarizing the thread; I agree with you > it has gotten

Re: [Summary] Discourse for Debian

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 5:48 AM Neil McGovern wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 07:22:53AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > Would you be willing to list out which points it is from the given > > "cons" category which you see as positives? > > > The point of this Discourse instance is to try and

Re: Keysigning in times of COVID-19

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:04 PM Sam Hartman wrote: > Until you have a concrete suggestion, you're derailing the discussion. > Enrico and a number of people sound like they would like a way forward > that works for people trying to become DMs today. > When I hear things like "eventually have a

Abusive language on Debian lists

I have noticed a pattern on Debian lists where we see: 1) a polarizing issue is brought up on the list 1a) (optional) there is some discussion with a few interesting points 2) people start arguing (useful debate has ended) 3) people start using offensive language somehow expecting it

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 3:12 PM Don Armstrong wrote: > I can't recall a case of listmaster@ actually enforcing the prohibition > of profanity, and I'm unaware of anyone actually using packet radio for > receiving listmail anymore. [If they are, I really hope it's encrypted.] Encryption is

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 1:52 AM wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 06:22:57PM -0600, Eldon Koyle wrote: > > I have noticed a pattern on Debian lists where we see: > > [...] > > > I would like to propose that we shorten this cycle by simply adding a rule > > t

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

not believe that I am the only person who feels this way. On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 4:08 AM Sam Hartman wrote: > > >>>>> "Eldon" == Eldon Koyle writes: > > Eldon> Thank you for your thoughtful reply. > > Eldon> I think I did a bad job of ex

Re: Questions around Justice and Our Current CoC procedures

idating, which may be a source of selection bias for new members (and also a major hurdle to participation, beyond the strong personalities who frequent these lists). I think it also encourages posts only from people who feel _very_ strongly about what they are posting about, which isn't the most conducive to constructive discussion. -- Eldon Koyle