Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
Greg Pomerantz tells me that guys still haven't talked yet about the
DCC and the Debian mark.
What happened about this? I'm not involved in any way, but I'm quite
interested.
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OK, I'm convinced. I will call Ian on Monday and urge him to take the
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Yippee! I think this is a good idea too.
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, that would also be against the CoC, but it will make it
much more easier to remove posts that do things like that rather than
having to rely on an interpretation of the CoC every time that matter
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If I get two +1's I'll go ahead and change it.
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On 2019/01/03 02:23, Benj. Mako Hill wrote:
> I like these changes. Thanks for doing this.
Thanks, the changes are now live:
https://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian
Where would be the best place to reach planet syndicators to notify them
about the update, d-d-a?
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u share them? A CoC can always be amended or at least some
annotations made to explain it.
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is incompatible for
> anybody.
That's a rather big statement to make and unless I missed something, you
didn't really explain why that's the case. AH and outreach isn't
inherently incompatible and neither are there any conflict of interests.
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u talking about multiple appeals from people
who have had their membership revoked, or is it that I interpreted it
wrong and that anyone can appeal?
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referring to above is self-censorship, I think this
wikipedia page resonates with what you're trying to get across:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship
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thanks for reading :)
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I'll go ahead and add it if there are no objections.
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On 2019/01/08 13:38, Enrico Zini wrote:
>> If that's the case, are you talking about multiple appeals from people
>> who have had their membership revoked, or is it that I interpreted it
>> wrong and that anyone can appeal?
>
> I'm clarifying the corner case in which two people have had their
>
aid all of that, I don't know of any case where Debian has
specifically named and shamed anyone regarding such a violation, but I
also don't see a reason why Debian should explicitly try to keep those
secret for no good reason.
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ploads, DCM members can get more access to certain
administrative areas that they might be involved in.
It might even be nice to offer something like an @debian.community email
address for DC* roles, which may make it easier in terms of access
control to certain services, but now I'm puttin
r mail was sincere, I can
assure you that you've been misguided by what you've heard in
sensational news or purposely misleading blog posts.
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to bring in money for Debian, so not sure why you would
want to subtract it.
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bian-meeting
where wishful Debian contributors can ask about anything they want and
then we have a panel of a few knowledgable DD's ready to answer them in
real time?
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against your package. Our community guidelines deserve to be on the same
standard, if a blog is removed from planet Debian, it makes sense that
there's at least a good reason for that, no?
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asic freedoms become political. This one is very
uncomplicated though.
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laced with MariaDB (at least
they're highly compatible but if you use any sort of configuration
manager or metapackages or scripts that refer to these for your
deployment, you'll have to update those).
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these people out, and if they want to be a crybaby
and a snowflake about it and go "boo I don't like politics" every time
that they are proven to be wrong about their views and still insist to
double down on those, then I'm certainly not going to waste any sympathy
on them.
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nd if
something or someone gives them the opposite impression, then they can
be assured that it doesn't reflect the views of the project.
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ty issues are a problem, but including it for Buster has only
brought positives without taking anything away from anyone compared to
the situation we have in stretch, so I don't regret the progress that
we've made at all.
I could talk a lot about installers at this point but I'll leave that
for an
On 2019/08/05 12:25, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> https://pastebin.com/Xm4J1hVd
>
> It's basically just you throwing rocks at us, Daniel.
He probably has more protonmail accounts by now than anyone else in Debian.
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f a doubt to everyone in the project that they should
never be allowed back.
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ing on the source in any meaningful way.
This is very different to say, minified javascript that is not
considered source code because you can't practically work with that as
source.
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poses your position on these matters more than you probably realise.
[2]
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/2019121309.6424ws6c44q2l...@bulldog.preining.info
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Some wine'ing has gotten old a really long time ago.
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now does not appear to be
fair or consistent at all, and it seems that it would make sense to fix
that.
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gt; For the record, the active members of the treasury team had a great
> discussion and have generally been in alignment once we got onto the
> same page.
What?
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ally do is be patient.
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On 2020/02/12 08:22, Jacob Lifshay wrote:
> Anyone else having trouble?
Here's an announce email with a list of affected machines:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2020/02/msg0.html
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iDC a few weeks
before DC might be a good choice.
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that for tonight, I don't want to monopolize -project.
Feel free to take this further in private if you're sincere in
continuing a discussion about this.
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spects of their government.
I can tell you with a great degree of confidence that support for the
DC20 team is entirely uncontroversial and it's really not worth spending
any time worrying about that specific aspect whatsoever.
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creating some form of competition here and it's nothing like that.
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d to do, rather than something that supports our diversity and
>> compliments DC20 while supporting those who choose not to attend.
On a purely personal note, I find it in rather poor taste to talk about
diversity in the context of having DC in a country with an active
apartheid regime.
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trolls and not wanting to feed them, but it
is entirely possible to denounce them without giving them fuel, even
though it can be like walking a tightrope at times.
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people to get involved there.
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m them and are they supportive of your idea for
the reasons you have listed?
This thread has had lots of discussion so far and no one has listed a
single reason against your proposal yet, IMHO if no one is standing in
your way it's time to just go ahead and do it.
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Hey Lucas
On 2020/09/01 16:05, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 01/09/20 at 15:29 +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>> On 2020/09/01 09:14, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>>> 2. Keeping our important services sanely maintained. Your proposal is to
>>> sanitize *.debian.net a bit. I wonder
discussion you'll want to have with DSA, and it doesn't
seem that the project is in a position currently to add any more load to
the DSA team at this point.
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services that's not managed by DSA"?
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Hi Jonas
On 2020/10/12 15:54, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Maybe Tobias can give us a more complete description on how
>> LibreSelery would work.
>
> Probably he can, yes. Is he subscribed here?
Yes, he subscribed this afternoon.
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be Tobias can give us a more complete description on how LibreSelery
would work.
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Hi Debianites, Tobias from protontypes.eu asked that I forward this
message along. From what I understand, they want to make it easier to
fund individuals who work on free software.
He also confirmed that they're working on integrating their system with
GitLab, which needed some more work because
Hi Tobias
On 2020/10/13 08:45, Tobias Augspurger wrote:
> 1. First of all these emails of course have an unsubscribe button.
I can tell you that if it's opt-out instead of opt-in, then that would
make it a non-starter for Debian.
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active in a local team already, then please join our BoF session at
DebConf20:
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limited and if I've said
> anything dumb/wrong/offensive let me know so I can learn what I'm missing.
No offense taken whatsoever, Debian Developers are often the biggest
critics of Debian. Not because they want to be mean, but because they
care and want to see things get fixed. Welcome to De
e
>>> if we can get much better pricing for our members, whether they're just
>>> closer to cost or even a little subsidized. Maybe you could shed some
>>> light on this topic too :)
>
> I've kicked off a discussion on this internally. I did actually look
> into this when I joined the team last year but I know more the right
> people to talk to now and Linux is getting a lot more attention
> internally. I'll see what I can do - I think it's a very reasonable
> suggestion.
Fantastic, thanks!
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Hey Yao Wei
On 2020/12/26 04:31, Yao Wei wrote:
> Technically I am not a new Developer, but I changed my status from
> non-uploading to uploading.
Ah yes, great!
> Thanks for the NM team giving me courage to continue, and especially
> praveen and tobi (who was the AM of my first NM) taking me
> project proposals, review them and pay someone to implement the proposals
> that have been retained.
This sounds great, thanks for the initiative!
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Greetings!
Congratulations and welcome to Ming-ting Yao Wei (mwei), who has
completed the NM process and is now a Debian Developer (uploading) and
along with that, a full project member.
Thank you for your contributions to Debian!
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Hi Nyle
On 2021/02/04 09:00, Nyle Davis wrote:
> Sirs;
Debian contributors are made up of a large variety of people and we try
to use inclusive language as far as possible.
> I was using Kubuntu 14.04 LTS which had what I called "Super Windows"
> where any window could be nested within any
Greetings!
Congratulations and welcome to the following new Debian
Developers who have completed the NM process and are now full
project members:
* Timo Röhling
* Fabio Augusto De Muzio Tobich
* Christian Ehrhardt
* Patrick Franz
Also, congratulations to Toawa who is now a Debian
Greetings!
Congratulations and welcome to the following new Debian
Developers who have completed the NM process and are now full
project members:
* Félix Sipma
* Étienne Mollier
* Hanno Wagner
* Daniel Swarbrick
Thank you for your contributions to Debian!
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On 2021/04/11 01:28, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> Although I really prefer not to have them in the project, its is not the
> Debian project's task to rule about political believs, opinions, religions,
> fetishes and whatever else. But I expect that people keep these things out of
> Debian and especially
On 2021/04/12 15:37, Michael Stone wrote:
>> Not true, if someone identifies with fascist doctrine, even if they keep
>> those views off of the project channels, then they are not welcome here,
>> no matter where they engaged in those kind of activities.
>
> Does that go for all extremist
On 2021/04/12 18:41, Michael Stone wrote:
> Marxists? Maoists? Stalinists? Anarchists? Zionists? Anti-zionists?
> Militant Quebec nationalists? Royalists? Imperialists? Indigenous
> resistance groups? Ecoterrorists? Anyone that someone calls a terrorist?
> Speciesists? Anti-speciesists?
On 2021/04/12 17:30, Thaddeus H. Black wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 02:56:34PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>> Not true, if someone identifies with fascist doctrine, even if they keep
>> those views off of the project channels, then they are not welcome here,
>> no matt
Greetings!
Congratulations and welcome to Bastian Germann , who has completed the
NM process and is now a full
project member and an uploading Debian Developer.
Thank you for your contributions to Debian!
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Congratulations and welcome to Gürkan Myczko , who has completed
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Thank you for your contributions to Debian!
-Jonathan, Debian Project Leader
Greetings!
Congratulations and welcome to the following new Debian
Developers who have completed the NM process and are now full
project members:
* Sophie Brun
* Aloïs Micard
Thank you for your contributions to Debian!
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On 2021/07/26 12:05, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Debian as a project actively promoting open core software would be quite
>> a change since so far Debian was the major distribution pushing the most
>> for a system with only free software as defined by the Debian Free
>> Software Guidelines.
>
Hi Ansgar
On 2021/07/26 15:50, Ansgar wrote:
It is indeed very explicit about including non-free packages if
possible:
+---
| We encourage CD manufacturers to read the licenses of the packages in
| these areas and determine if they can distribute the packages on
| their CDs.
+---
I believe
On 2021/07/26 20:27, Ansgar wrote:
Obviously packages in non-free don't need to comply with the DFSG
Indeed they don't, because non-free isn't formally part of Debian.
-Jonathan
Hi Adrian
On 2022/03/12 17:23, Adrian Bunk wrote:
Is it SPI that is liable for penalies of up to 20 Million Euro and
compensation claims, or is it individual team members who are personally
liable for penalies of up to 20 Million Euro and compensation claims?
If this is unclear, the easiest
On 2022/02/21 14:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:
I didn't intend to communicate that it was a final step. I think we agree. A
DAM warning, as you said, indicates someone is on a path to suspension or
expulsion. I don't have a problem with this. What bothers me is trying to
pretend it's
On 2022/02/21 07:06, Scott Kitterman wrote:
Currently a DAM warning is a suspension/expulsion with deferred execution.
I don't believe that's quite accurate, a DAM warning isn't necessarily
meant as a final warning, it's a larger prod for an individual to course
correct their behaviour.
If
On 2022/02/21 16:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:
On February 21, 2022 12:56:43 PM UTC, Jonathan Carter wrote:
On 2022/02/21 14:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:
I didn't intend to communicate that it was a final step. I think we agree. A
DAM warning, as you said, indicates someone is on a path
Hi Steve
Thanks for putting together this summary!
I'd like for us to channel our discussions into something that can lead
to positive actions, and relatively soon, rather than it dragging on too
long and then fizzing out as it has happened in the past.
Some of the deep dive discussions oh
Hi Russ
On 2022/02/21 22:27, Russ Allbery wrote:
I've been posting a lot on back and forth philosophical discussions, from
which it's probably hard to extract a clear idea of what I'm arguing for.
I've also gotten a few things entirely backwards, and understand a few
things better than before
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On 2022/03/23 09:37, Ingo Jürgensmann wrote:
So, are we now at a point where we ban people just because of some silly
remarks in their posts and dislikes from single other persons?
No, but I don't want people to keep feeling dread and wonder what he's
going to say every time he blogs, and
Hi Thomas
On 2022/03/22 22:01, Thomas Goirand wrote:
In his latest post, Norbert wrote:
"most of my activity around Debian has come to a complete halt (Send
your thanks to da-mana...@debian.org!)"
I find it not acceptable because it's written as if da-manager are the
only persons
Hi Adam
On 2022/03/23 15:51, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 08:38:02AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
Can we delete him from planet?
Any DD can do that... oh wait that includes me... done!
>
I went bold and reverted this removal; the detailed reason why and the
Planet rule
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On 2022/03/24 15:02, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Dr. Bas Wijnen - 24.03.22, 10:50:47 CET:
There was work to be done. It has been done. The result is that
Norbert was sanctioned. Please accept that and stop pretending that
the debate is still ongoing.
Just one thing: There is no pretending there.
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Hi Debianites
There are likely a few different lists that this mail could be
applicable: bursaries@debconf.o, debconf@ debconf-team@, etc. I chose
this list to minimize cross-posting and since this could affect policies
for all our events (not just DebConf) and it's easy to point people
On 2022/06/07 06:48, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Thing is, Debian is living in a wonderful environment and "steals"
right and left (and is "stolen from"), courtesy of the free software
idea. And we're all richer for that!
Well, the views of people (or even Debian developers (or even the DPL))
on
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Dear Debianites
The European Commission Open Source Programme Office (EC OSPO) is open
to hearing our thoughts on the upcoming Cyber Resilience Act (CRA),
which aims to ensure that hardware and software products sold in Europe
have fewer security vulnerabilities and are appropriately
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Seasonal Greetings!
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On 2023/11/15 07:39, Mathieu O'Neil wrote:
Hi Debian :-)
Hi Mathieu, I'm sure that was also not intentional, but in addition to
what Michael has said, please don't hijack threads on our lists.
-Jonathan
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