Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2024-01-26 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Raphael, thanks a lot for your analysis and sorry for my late reply. Am Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 08:01:16PM +0100 schrieb Rafael Laboissière: > > https://salsa.debian.org/rafael/debian-contrib-years > > First of all, I wish you all a happy 2024. +1 > I have updated my repository at salsa.d.o

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2024-01-04 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Mo Zhou dijo [Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 02:02:18PM -0500]: > > Thanks for the code and the figure. Indeed, the trend is confirmed by > > fitting a linear model count ~ year to the new members list. The > > coefficient is -1.39 member/year, which is significantly different from > > zero (F[1,22] = 11.8,

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2024-01-03 Thread Rafael Laboissière
* Rafael Laboissière [2023-12-27 21:12]: This is a very simple-minded analysis about the Debian community (lack of) renewal and project obsolescence: https://salsa.debian.org/rafael/debian-contrib-years containing interesting comments made by Sébastien Villemot. First of all, I wish you

Re: Aw: Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-31 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2023-12-30 21:40:03 -0500 (-0500), Mo Zhou wrote: [...] > How can one download the Debian public mailing list dumps? [...] I think you'd have to scrape the HTML (MHonArc) archives. The last update I remember is that the listmasters are intentionally not providing raw archives, though perhaps

Re: Aw: Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-31 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 2023-12-31 05:22, Mo Zhou wrote: I am not able to develop DebGPT and confess I am not investing my time in learning to do it.  But can we attract the people who want to tinker in this direction? Debian funds should be able to cover the hardware requirement and training expenses even if

Re: Aw: Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-30 Thread Mo Zhou
On 12/30/23 21:40, Mo Zhou wrote: I am not able to develop DebGPT and confess I am not investing my time in learning to do it. But can we attract the people who want to tinker in this direction? Debian funds should be able to cover the hardware requirement and training expenses even if they

Re: Aw: Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-30 Thread Mo Zhou
On 12/30/23 15:06, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 01:14:29PM +0100, Steffen Möller a écrit : What hypothese do we have on what influences the number of active individuals? When I was a kid I was playing with a lot of pirate copy of Amiga and then PC games, and I had a bit of

Re: Aw: Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-30 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 01:14:29PM +0100, Steffen Möller a écrit : > > What hypothese do we have on what influences the number of active individuals? When I was a kid I was playing with a lot of pirate copy of Amiga and then PC games, and I had a bit of melancholy thinking that what appeared to

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-30 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 2023-12-29 20:13, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: As someone who would like to participate more in the development of Debian, my personal experience is that making contributions is like dropping a message in a bottle into the sea. It feels like a complete crap-shot whether I'll even receive a

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-29 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Daniel" == Daniel Gröber writes: Daniel> Hi, Daniel> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 08:48:28AM -0800, Antonio Russo wrote: >> [...] my personal experience is that making contributions is like >> dropping a message in a bottle into the sea. It feels like a >> complete

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-29 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 08:48:28AM -0800, Antonio Russo wrote: > As someone who would like to participate more in the development of Debian, > my personal > experience is that making contributions is like dropping a message in a > bottle into > the sea. It feels like a complete crap-shot

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-29 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 06:49:47PM +0100, Daniel Gröber wrote: > > [...] my personal experience is that making contributions is like > > dropping a message in a bottle into the sea. It feels like a complete > > crap-shot whether I'll even receive a comment on any code contribution > > (including

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-29 Thread Daniel Gröber
Hi, On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 08:48:28AM -0800, Antonio Russo wrote: > [...] my personal experience is that making contributions is like > dropping a message in a bottle into the sea. It feels like a complete > crap-shot whether I'll even receive a comment on any code contribution > (including

Re: Aw: Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-29 Thread Antonio Russo
On 2023-12-29 04:14, Steffen Möller wrote: > What hypothese do we have on what influences the number of active individuals? > > Positive factors > * Location of DebConf (with many or not so many devs affording to attend) > * Popular platforms like the Raspberry Pi working with Debian derivative

Aw: Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-29 Thread Steffen Möller
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Dezember 2023 um 20:02 Uhr > Von: "Mo Zhou" > An: debian-project@lists.debian.org > Betreff: Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence > > On 12/28/23 10:34, Rafael Laboissière wrote: > > > * M. Zhou [2023-12-2

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-28 Thread Mo Zhou
On 12/28/23 10:34, Rafael Laboissière wrote: * M. Zhou [2023-12-27 19:00]: Thanks for the code and the figure. Indeed, the trend is confirmed by fitting a linear model count ~ year to the new members list. The coefficient is -1.39 member/year, which is significantly different from zero

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-28 Thread Rafael Laboissière
* M. Zhou [2023-12-27 19:00]: Thanks for sharing the figure. The data seems correlated with the number of new Debian accounts. See the figure below: Python Code for this figure: ``` # modified from ChatGPT. # XXX: members.csv is copy-pasted from https://nm.debian.org/members/ import

Re: Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-27 Thread M. Zhou
Thanks for sharing the figure. The data seems correlated with the number of new Debian accounts. See the figure below: Python Code for this figure: ``` # modified from ChatGPT. # XXX: members.csv is copy-pasted from https://nm.debian.org/members/ import pandas as pd import matplotlib.pyplot as

Community renewal and project obsolescence

2023-12-27 Thread Rafael Laboissière
Dear Debian fellows, This is a very simple-minded analysis about the Debian community (lack of) renewal and project obsolescence: https://salsa.debian.org/rafael/debian-contrib-years containing interesting comments made by Sébastien Villemot. Best, Rafael Laboissière, DD