Python2.4 has been removed, now what for Zopistas and Plonistas?
Hi, unfortunately, I've missed decision to remove Python2.4 from Debian, but the result is that Zope2.10, required for Plone 3.x, will not run on Squeeze anymore, and that the zope2.10 package from sid is now completely uninstallable. Even installing Zope from upstream's source, imho the recommended method, does no longer work without prior manual installation of Python and a load of additional packages from their respective upstream's source, too (makes it much more of a hassle...). I am not sure that this was a good choice, although I feel the pain of maintaining a Python 2.4 stack in Squeeze, because: * Plone, and thus Zope is still a major Python application, and I heavily doubt that Plone 4.0 will see the light in time to make it into Squeeze (it's currently in alpha state, afaik). * The upgrade from Plone 3 to Plone 4 requires significant work, which many users will probably not even be able to handle shortly, so their options will be to continue to run Lenny, compile from source entirely, along with appropriate testing and deployment efforts, or to switch platforms. * I therefore think that Plone 3 is here to stay for at least one or two more years, because of the migration effort. * Plone 3 absolutely requires Zope 2.10. If Python2.4 will stay out of Squeeze, I think removal bugs should be filed against all packages that are required for Plone3 and not elsewhere, including Zope 2.10 and friends to avoid trying to eg. install a package only to see an error message because depenencies can't be met. Right? Wrong? Kind regards, --Toni++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100427091730.15584.qm...@oak.oeko.net
Re: Python2.4 has been removed, now what for Zopistas and Plonistas?
Il 27/04/2010 11.17, Toni Mueller ha scritto: I am not sure that this was a good choice, although I feel the pain of maintaining a Python 2.4 stack in Squeeze, because: * Plone, and thus Zope is still a major Python application, and I heavily doubt that Plone 4.0 will see the light in time to make it into Squeeze (it's currently in alpha state, afaik). * The upgrade from Plone 3 to Plone 4 requires significant work, which many users will probably not even be able to handle shortly, so their options will be to continue to run Lenny, compile from source entirely, along with appropriate testing and deployment efforts, or to switch platforms. * I therefore think that Plone 3 is here to stay for at least one or two more years, because of the migration effort. * Plone 3 absolutely requires Zope 2.10. When dealing with python2.4 removal, we asked Fabio about state of the art of Zope 2.14 and Plone 4. He replied he hadn't way to look at them at that time, and he would have looked upgrading the whole stack in April/May. CCing him, to see if things evolved. If Python2.4 will stay out of Squeeze, I think removal bugs should be filed against all packages that are required for Plone3 and not elsewhere, including Zope 2.10 and friends to avoid trying to eg. install a package only to see an error message because depenencies can't be met. Right? Wrong? When removing python2.4 packages, we told ftpteam to leave rdependencies alone for the time being, as they have to be fixed, and clearing NEW again wouldn't have been that efficient. If those packages are beyond any repair, maybe filing RM bugs against them is the way to go. Fabio, thoughts? Regards, -- .''`. : :' : Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org `. `' `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Python2.4 has been removed, now what for Zopistas and Plonistas?
* 2010-04-27 15:16, Luca Falavigna wrote: When dealing with python2.4 removal, we asked Fabio about state of the art of Zope 2.14 and Plone 4. He replied he hadn't way to look at them at that time, and he would have looked upgrading the whole stack in April/May. CCing him, to see if things evolved. The current stable release of Plone requires python2.4 and Zope2.10, which we cannot support in squeeze. I see no way to really support them, so I'd prefer to have the packages removed. If those packages are beyond any repair, maybe filing RM bugs against them is the way to go. Fabio, thoughts? I agree, feel free to file RM bugs for all the zope-related packages in the archive which depend on python2.4. Best regards, Fabio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100427134245.gh26...@mail.tranchitella.eu
Re: Python2.4 has been removed, now what for Zopistas and Plonistas?
Hi, On Tue, 27.04.2010 at 15:42:45 +0200, Fabio Tranchitella fa...@tranchitella.eu wrote: The current stable release of Plone requires python2.4 and Zope2.10, which we cannot support in squeeze. I see no way to really support them, so I'd prefer to have the packages removed. from my point of view, only Python 2.4 and a few supporting packages like python-setuptools, python-virtualenv, python-imaging, python-celementtree and python-elementtree, maybe python-crypto and a few others are really useful for running Plone 3.x, but there is imho no need to support the actual Zope packages in the system. I've not yet made an effort to figure out a minimally useful set of packages, though. My preferred outcome would be to have these Python packages in Squeeze, but remove everything else that is Zope 2.10 related, as these things are imho better installed using buildout, anyway. If those packages are beyond any repair, maybe filing RM bugs against them is the way to go. Fabio, thoughts? I agree, feel free to file RM bugs for all the zope-related packages in the archive which depend on python2.4. +1 Kind regards, --Toni++ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100427162001.11566.qm...@oak.oeko.net
Re: Python2.4 has been removed, now what for Zopistas and Plonistas? [ADDENDUM]
On Apr 27, 2010, at 06:32 PM, Toni Mueller wrote: I'm not sure about how much the changes in the infrastructure would be an obstacle, or prevent this from happening (didn't check yet), and I don'tknow how the group thinks about the political and/or personal issues involved, either. What I do see is that it will most likely almost impossible to provide security support for Python 2.4 if upstream decides to stop providing these (Barry?). Officially, Python 2.4 is EOL. The last release was 2.4.6 on 2008-12-19 and it was a source-only release. Even security patches will only be provided if there's someone motivated enough to do it, which for a release as old as 2.4 is doubtful. -Barry signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Python2.4 has been removed, now what for Zopistas and Plonistas? [ADDENDUM]
* 2010-04-27 18:33, Toni Mueller wrote: I forgot to ask what'd be the best way to go forward for Plonistas? I really think that there should be some time for Plonistas to upgrade, which the current scheme does not allow for. I personally use the unified installer, and it works fine; I liked more the debian packages, but it is quite complex to support them so I switched to what is considered by upstream the only way to install plone nowadays. Best regards, Fabio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100427181109.gi26...@mail.tranchitella.eu
