Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread François Mazen
Hello, I'm not confortable in fostering proprietary solution like CUDA against libre alternative in Debian project. CUDA libraries are de-facto outdated when new Debian release comes out due to new hardware release and vendor lock-in business model. As a consequence, the user will always download

Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread Christian Kastner
On 21.05.21 21:13, François Mazen wrote: > CUDA libraries are de-facto outdated when new Debian release comes > out due to new hardware release and vendor lock-in business model. As > a consequence, the user will always download the last libraries > version from the vendor web-site. That's not

Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread Steffen Möller
Am 21.05.21 um 15:55 schrieb Thomas Schiex: > I'm a computer scientist working in AI and structural biology. I'm > sorry to say that CUDA has slowly invaded a lot of our scientific > pipelines, for Deep learning, convex optimization and molecular > simulations. > > I just could not vote for

Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread Sam Thompson
I've had a massive faff with ROCm, and on my main workstation have been compelled to use a different distro that makes things easier. Definite preference for option 2. Previous job was academic research, everything was CUDA. Now I'm in industrial R, and I run into whatever my customers want me to

Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread Brett Viren
Hi, "M. Zhou" writes: > Q: How far should Debian go along the way for supporting hardware > acceleration solutions like CUDA? I think Debian is already doing a good job with CUDA, at least as it pertains to my work with Python+GPU. My thanks and please keep it up! One recent example for me

Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread Thomas Schiex
I'm a computer scientist working in AI and structural biology. I'm sorry to say that CUDA has slowly invaded a lot of our scientific pipelines, for Deep learning, convex optimization and molecular simulations. I just could not vote for option 2 even if option 1 is tolerable (I'm using it).

Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread Julien Puydt
Le vendredi 21 mai 2021 à 04:40 +, M. Zhou a écrit : > > Q: How far should Debian go along the way for supporting hardware > acceleration solutions like CUDA? > > Choice 1: this game belongs to the big companies. we should offload > such burden to third-party providers such as Anaconda. >

Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread Christian Kastner
On 21.05.21 06:40, M. Zhou wrote: > Choice 1: this game belongs to the big companies. we should offload > such burden to third-party providers such as Anaconda. > Choice 2: we may try to provide what the users need. > Choice 3: Choice 2, by a mile. CUDA wins either way. It's the de facto

Re: Quick Poll: Debian to better support hardware acceleration?

2021-05-21 Thread Drew Parsons
CUDA is a poor solution. nVidia only, proprietary. Need to enourage upstreams to use the other solutions. I don't know ROCm, maybe it's good. Open source at least. SYCL is a good target, should be supported. Supersedes OpenCL. Drew On 2021-05-21 06:40, M. Zhou wrote: Hi folks, --- Q: