Re: Securing bind..

2002-03-06 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
[ The quoted email is dated last December... I hope nobody minds me ] [ reviving the conversation. I'm catching up on a few mail groups. ] Russell == Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russell On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:17, Jor-el wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Russell Coker wrote:

Re: Securing bind..

2002-03-06 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
[ The quoted email is dated last December... I hope nobody minds me ] [ reviving the conversation. I'm catching up on a few mail groups. ] Russell == Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russell On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:17, Jor-el wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Russell Coker wrote:

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-28 Thread Tarjei
to writing _the_ authorative work on securing bind. I usually try to contribute the knowledge I get from maillinglists to faq's and comments if it's easy to do so, f.x to contribute comments to php. Would it be possible to add this? Tarjei -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
setting up docbook . F.x. in such a situation it's quite for the person who asked the question to update the docs without commiting to writing _the_ authorative work on securing bind. This document should be *the* authorative work on howto secure bind on Debian. Doing cut-n-paste

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-28 Thread Alvin Oga
asked the question to update the docs without commiting to writing _the_ authorative work on securing bind. This document should be *the* authorative work on howto secure bind on Debian. Doing cut-n-paste of mails is not useful IMHO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-28 Thread Dave Kline
BIND should be treated with the utmost caution, as CERT has listed it as the #1 way to break into a computer and Im sure some of us have had k1dd13z on our systems because of it. I know I have seen this discussion before in old USENET posts, but I do think it would be a good idea to maybe

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 05:10:07AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya several ways to harden dns... depending on level fo paranoia?? http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Harden/server.gwif.html#DNS Notes are fine, and I'm already aware of linux-sec.net. I'm looking, however, into something more

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 03:34:32PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: (...) but more importantly, if the question was how to secure bind, then let's not secure it by substituting... bind is still the #1 nameserver, and a thread like this (even though argued a million times) can be quite

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
setting up docbook . F.x. in such a situation it's quite for the person who asked the question to update the docs without commiting to writing _the_ authorative work on securing bind. This document should be *the* authorative work on howto secure bind on Debian. Doing cut-n-paste

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-28 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 05:10:07AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: hi ya several ways to harden dns... depending on level fo paranoia?? http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Harden/server.gwif.html#DNS Notes are fine, and I'm already aware of linux-sec.net. I'm looking, however, into something more

Re: Securing bind..

2002-01-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach P Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001.12.30.1846 +0100]: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. you are kidding me, right? the question was how to secure bind. the asker wasn't in need of other religious beliefs. while i strongly believe that djb is a real

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-31 Thread Thomas Seyrat
Russell Coker wrote: DNS cache machine sents out requests from source port 54 (not obscure - every administrator of every DNS server on the net can easily discover this). Recursive requests go to port 53 (getting a DNS client to even talk to another port is difficult or impossible depending

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-31 Thread Peter Wiersig
On Monday, 31. December 2001 14:20, Thomas Seyrat wrote: By forcing the source port for recursive requests to a given fixed one, do you not make yourself more vulnerable to the spoofing attacks you were talking about, because the attacker does not have to predict the source port of

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Jor-el
Russell, On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Russell Coker wrote: Also don't allow recursion from outside machines. Why does this help? Another possibility is to have the port for outgoing connections be something other than 53 (54 seems unused) and use iptables or ipchains to block data from the

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread P Prince
The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. Google is your friend. -Tech On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Petre Daniel wrote: Well,i know Karsten's on my back and all,but i have not much time to learn,and too many things to do at my firm,so i am asking if one of you has any

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. And the simple answer to that is: 1. bind is not DFSG-free and not packaged for Debian which makes it off-topic here. 2. replacing bind is not the same thing as securing it, which was the

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Bdale Garbee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wichert Akkerman) writes: Previously P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. And the simple answer to that is: 1. bind is not DFSG-free and not packaged for Debian which makes it off-topic here. s/bind/djbdns/

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 06:49:34PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. And the simple answer to that is: 1. bind is not DFSG-free and not packaged for Debian which makes it off-topic here. May

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread jernej horvat
On Sunday 30 December 2001 18:46, P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. If you have nothing to say - do not speak. -- Configuration options for BIND are listed on http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/docs/config/ List of URL that might be usefull

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Petre Daniel
thank you all very much. you're right.if one doesn't have anything useful to say i'll recommand him to let others help.. thx guys. At 10:02 PM 12/30/01 +0100, jernej horvat wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 18:46, P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Jor-el
Russell, On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Russell Coker wrote: Lots of good stuff snipped Please read my messages carefully before flaming me. Ack! My apologies. Poor reading and poor wording. DNS cache machine sents out requests from source port 54 (not obscure - every administrator of

Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Petre Daniel
Well,i know Karsten's on my back and all,but i have not much time to learn,and too many things to do at my firm,so i am asking if one of you has any idea how can bind be protected against that DoS attack and if someone has some good firewall for a dns server ( that resolves names for internal

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:18, Petre Daniel wrote: Well,i know Karsten's on my back and all,but i have not much time to learn,and too many things to do at my firm,so i am asking if one of you has any idea how can bind be protected against that DoS attack and if someone has some good firewall for a

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Jor-el
Russell, On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Russell Coker wrote: Also don't allow recursion from outside machines. Why does this help? Another possibility is to have the port for outgoing connections be something other than 53 (54 seems unused) and use iptables or ipchains to block data from the

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread P Prince
The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. Google is your friend. -Tech On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Petre Daniel wrote: Well,i know Karsten's on my back and all,but i have not much time to learn,and too many things to do at my firm,so i am asking if one of you has any

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. And the simple answer to that is: 1. bind is not DFSG-free and not packaged for Debian which makes it off-topic here. 2. replacing bind is not the same thing as securing it, which was the

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Bdale Garbee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wichert Akkerman) writes: Previously P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. And the simple answer to that is: 1. bind is not DFSG-free and not packaged for Debian which makes it off-topic here. s/bind/djbdns/

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Thomas Seyrat
Wichert Akkerman wrote: And the simple answer to that is: 1. bind is not DFSG-free and not packaged for Debian which makes it off-topic here. You mean djbdns, of course. 2. replacing bind is not the same thing as securing it, which was the question. There is a small presentation

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Thomas Seyrat
Jor-el wrote: Another possibility is to have the port for outgoing connections be something other than 53 (54 seems unused) and use iptables or ipchains to block data from the outside world coming to port 53. [...] Of course, in the case of DNS servers, you could be OK, since you

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Jacob Elder
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 12:46:55PM -0500, P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. Troll. Google is your friend. -Tech On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Petre Daniel wrote: Well,i know Karsten's on my back and all,but i have not much time to

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 06:49:34PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. And the simple answer to that is: 1. bind is not DFSG-free and not packaged for Debian which makes it off-topic here. May

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread jernej horvat
On Sunday 30 December 2001 18:46, P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. If you have nothing to say - do not speak. -- Configuration options for BIND are listed on http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/docs/config/ List of URL that might be usefull

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Petre Daniel
thank you all very much. you're right.if one doesn't have anything useful to say i'll recommand him to let others help.. thx guys. At 10:02 PM 12/30/01 +0100, jernej horvat wrote: On Sunday 30 December 2001 18:46, P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread John Galt
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. Because after djbdns, bind 4.2 looks like a pinnacle of security... Google is your friend. Apparently it didn't get you a clue... -Tech On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Petre Daniel wrote:

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Jor-el
Russell, On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, Russell Coker wrote: Lots of good stuff snipped Please read my messages carefully before flaming me. Ack! My apologies. Poor reading and poor wording. DNS cache machine sents out requests from source port 54 (not obscure - every administrator of every

Re: Securing bind..

2001-12-30 Thread Jor-el
On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, John Galt wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, P Prince wrote: The eaisest and most failsafe way to secure bind is to install djbdns. Because after djbdns, bind 4.2 looks like a pinnacle of security... John, Enlighten me please. I've heard a few things about the