Re: working with windows larger than screen

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:57:05PM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: 1. effectively moves the desktop once the mouse is at the edge of the physical screen. I want to say that what you want is virtual desktop, but I can't recall. I know that you can actually have your display area in X be

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Nigel Henry wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 19:39, Paul Johnson wrote: Max Hyre wrote: Ladies and gentlemen: wishful thinking I like a good digression as well as the next person, probably better than most, but this is ridiculous. I'd love to see this go over to [EMAIL

Re: acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Wow, thanks for that Raju. This dict program is really going to save me a lot of time googling things :D You are welcome! Little programs like this really make the linux experience wonderful! One of the drawbacks of dict is that there

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 16:00, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: Ask a pro-lifer whether she'd euthanize a pregnant cat. Then you'll know when she *really* thinks life begins. They'll hedge it by saying that a cat is not human. No, the real

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Steve Lamb
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 02:20:52PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: Nice one. I have cousins who've gone through just that -- totally pro-life, adamantly, virulently so. They've had a couple kids, had one ultimately die from some complicated horrible

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 12:24:26PM -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wishful thinking I like a good digression as well as the next person, probably better than most, but this is ridiculous. I'd love to see this go over

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Steve Lamb
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 01:39:40PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: the tax laws so that the rank and file citizen knows exactly what they're paying instead of what they're getting? http://www.fairtax.org - total control over how much tax you pay *eyes the Fair Tax book

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 16:09, cothrige wrote: * Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Ask a pro-lifer whether she'd euthanize a pregnant cat. Then you'll know when she *really* thinks life begins. Well, I don't think I could euthanize a pregnant cat.

Re: Bio-Based Fuels

2007-02-26 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:56 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:38:49PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Bio-fuels *are* a great idea. Until you realize *how much* gasoline diesel this country uses (then

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 16:05, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:53:01PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 13:26, Paul Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 19:51, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 19:08 -0600, Ron

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Stephen R Laniel wrote: On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:03:59AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Please quit top posting. Here is a script that I banged out in a few minutes, which surely needs much improvement but will hopefully go some way toward making the top-posting debate -- which is

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-26 Thread Mike McCarty
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 17:09, Mike McCarty wrote: Tyler MacDonald wrote: Sven Arvidsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] While you're busy restarting that flame war again, why not also ressurect the one asking for so-called header

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 01:38:02PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: But you don't get the expertise. Forums tend to attract the new users who don't have the long term experience as experienced users are often offput by the reliability and usability issues presented from brain damaged web forum

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 17:31, Francis Healy wrote: [snip] Every time I hear of a woman having yet another abortion, I wonder who the let them have another child? Why is it that many people believe that all women are pro abortion? I happen to be

Re: Number of OT Posts

2007-02-26 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It's getting a little difficult to find the ON topic posts. Mike Three words: filter, filter, filter. Cybe R. Wizard -- When Windows are opened the bugs come in. Winduhs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Substitution jutsu (was OT: sponge burning!)

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 16:18, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:09 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: IOW, they are mercenaries. Only if armed, otherwise I think the correct term is consultants. ;) s/consultants/conslutants/ You

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:40:08PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: That's a trivially easy one: God gave us brains; it's God's will that we use those brains to bring forth new life. Careful how you phrase that. In principle, I agree, but I think cloning is wrong. Though, I guess it is a matter

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:40:33PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Why is it contradictory or hypocritical? Because not all the fertilized eggs are used in the invitro process. Many are discarded which is akin to abortion. So much so that the Roman Catholic

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: I think that has more to do with Opera marginalizing themselves by expecting people to put up with *more* ads or pay for a web browser. That has little to do with what the websites do with the user agent string

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:44:46PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 01:39:40PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: the tax laws so that the rank and file citizen knows exactly what they're paying instead of what they're getting? http://www.fairtax.org -

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 14:53, Paul Johnson wrote: Stephen R Laniel wrote: On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:03:59AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Please quit top posting. Here is a script that I banged out in a few minutes, which surely needs much improvement

Re: Substitution jutsu (was OT: sponge burning!)

2007-02-26 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 17:57 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 16:18, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:09 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: IOW, they are mercenaries. Only if armed, otherwise I think the correct term is consultants. ;)

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 13:34 -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote: IANADD, but I would like to see something get going with this soon... what is the procedure? Does a debian developer sponsor the mailing list? Is there some sort of vote that has to happen? See

Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 16:38, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of useless desert flooded with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would supply enough

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 16:45, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 17:57, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Joe Hart wrote: [snip] Example: cycle per second changed to Hertz mho changed to siemens Somebody had a sense of humor...

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 06:01:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 17:14, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Well, everybody fights for *something*, be it money or ideology. But that's what delineates mercenary from (what?). Seriously, no jokes or sarcasm: what's the term for non-mercenary

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 17:33, Julian De Marchi wrote: How about just talk about debian on a debian list. Is that to hard? WTF are you to come in and tell us what to do? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux)

Re: Configuring pptpd confusing

2007-02-26 Thread Alan Chandler
On Monday 26 February 2007 23:24, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:57:00PM +, Alan Chandler wrote: I have just installed pptpd on my etch system and am now confused about what configuration file is where Documentation seems to imply a /etc/pptpd.conf file, but

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 17:14, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:08:02PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 14:57, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: This has always confused me: Who does *not* know that the purpose of an Army (and, by

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 17:32, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:51:30AM +1000, Julian De Marchi wrote: I totally agree. Stop pushing your views on to us! Sign up to a political, or religious mailing list instead I do not need

RE: Apache2 won't remove.

2007-02-26 Thread Kevin Ross
I am trying to remove apache2. But before that, I did something stupid. I rm apache2 in /etc/init.d So now, if I try to remove apache2-mpm-worker... invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache2 not found. dpkg: error processing apache2-mpm-worker (--remove): subprocess

Re: acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: dict-gazetteer dict-gazetteer2k Is there a compelling reason to install both the 1990 and 2000 version of the same data? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Configuring pptpd confusing

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 12:11:22AM +, Alan Chandler wrote: Yes its the server I am trying to run. I want to explore setting up a simple VOIP PBX for the family and will use this as a trial to avoid dealing with NAT problems with SIP and RTP protocols. For a VPN, you really want

RE: #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd - by misteke

2007-02-26 Thread Jarek Buczyński
okay, *maybe* this will work. man su says it looks for the shell specified by --shell, then $SHELL if --preserve-environment is used, then the shell in /etc/passwd and finally /bin/sh. So what if you don't specify a shell, and can remove /usr/bin from your path. Its possible that if su can't

Re: Number of OT Posts

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 17:31, Mike McCarty wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 16:57, Mike McCarty wrote: [snip] and other such topics isn't beginning to make the S/N ratio bad. It's getting a little difficult to find the ON topic posts. Mozilla

Re: Number of OT Posts

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 17:26, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: I'm as loathe as anyone to stifle any impetus to communicate here, but I'm beginning to wonder whether the amount of posting on religion/ atheism, the price of gasoline,

Re: acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 01:32:31PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: dict-gazetteer dict-gazetteer2k Is there a compelling reason to install both the 1990 and 2000 version of the same data? Helpful when looking for locations in the old Soviet Bloc? Regards, -Roberto --

Re: acronyms (was Re: REALLY OT:...)

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 15:32, Paul Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: dict-gazetteer dict-gazetteer2k Is there a compelling reason to install both the 1990 and 2000 version of the same data? Depends on how interested you are in historical data.

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 17:34, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:09:46PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: While you're busy restarting that flame war again, why not also ressurect the one asking for so-called header munging, so people can just

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Nigel Henry wrote: Goodness knows what someone trawling the archives looking for answers will think. Better than you. Google has this remarkable way of going directly to the answer whenever I search Google with the keyword site:lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

RE: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Julian De Marchi
Because I like reading the debian problems/solutions posted on the mailing list. I do not like hearing off topic crap. I ma voicing the opinions many want to say. If I wanted to hear about god I would go to church and I would be a Christian. The last 3 days the entire list has had mostly OT

Re: Substitution jutsu (was OT: sponge burning!)

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 18:03, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 17:57 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 16:18, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:09 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: IOW, they are mercenaries. Only if

Re: Re: Debian 4

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:20:44PM +, Doofus wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:58 +, Doofus wrote: When? For the past seven months we've had under the news section at debian.org: Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:33:54AM +1000, Julian De Marchi wrote: Because I like reading the debian problems/solutions posted on the mailing list. I do not like hearing off topic crap. I ma voicing the opinions many want to say. Here is the problem: X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook,

Re: Bio-Based Fuels (OT: a dumb query? pls humor me)

2007-02-26 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:08 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 16:38, Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of useless desert flooded with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would

Re: working with windows larger than screen

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:57:05PM -0500, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Can anyone recommend a window manager or a desktop environment which efficiently handles windows that are larger than physical size of screen? [...] Is there a window manager which 1. effectively moves the desktop once

RE: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Julian De Marchi
Ubuntu is my Desktop system of choice. It is based on debian, thus debian related. All those things are debian related as they run on the debian system. I use ms outlook at work, cause I am locked down to use it. Does god run debian? Does bush run debian? Mutt runs on debian..

Re: #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd - by misteke

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:18:47AM +0100, Jarek Buczy?ski wrote: okay, *maybe* this will work. man su says it looks for the shell specified by --shell, then $SHELL if --preserve-environment is used, then the shell in /etc/passwd and finally /bin/sh. So what if you don't specify a shell,

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:49:32AM +1000, Julian De Marchi wrote: Ubuntu is my Desktop system of choice. It is based on debian, thus debian related. All those things are debian related as they run on the debian system. Right, but you said, People are here to talk about debian. You did not

Re: #chsh -s /usr/bin/passwd - by misteke

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:53:40PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: nevermind. I poked around at this for a bit and I can't get it to work. You've got to get root on that thing somehow in order to change /etc/passwd so you can get root youneed a live-cd or maybe reboot with

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Joey Hess
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Some folks around here consider myself, Ron, Paul, Andrew and some of the others to be experts. I don't think any of us is in any danger of quitting the list. I am. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:38:35PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Some folks around here consider myself, Ron, Paul, Andrew and some of -^^ dude, thanks! I score geek cred! yes! A signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:57:00PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Some folks around here consider myself, Ron, Paul, Andrew and some of the others to be experts. I don't think any of us is in any danger of quitting the list. I am. I'm sorry to hear that. Of course,

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Tyler MacDonald wrote: However, this proves the value of having a designated OT list signficantly guys: Here is someone subscribed to the very mailing list that supposed to help him learn more about debian, who is currently powerless to avoid the OT spam that's coming along with it (and

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Tyler MacDonald wrote: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who gives a shit about politics, and what the hell has it it got to do with the debian mailing list??? It's the Debian *USER* list, not the *DEBIAN* User list. As has been discussed several times every time a long thread comes

Re: debian, package and other version info

2007-02-26 Thread Petra Kabayo
Thanks a lot Roberto. Now, does 4 in 4Sarge5 correspond to the Debian stable release number? When you download the Debian installers, you see the versions: 3.1_r0 3.1_r1 . . 3.1_r5 So this means Debian 3.1_r5 already includes mysql-server-4.1/4.1.11a-5? And then any new

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Joey Hess
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I'm sorry to hear that. Of course, I expect that you are more than capable of efficiently ignoring the OT threads, if you so choose. I read this list because I feel that it's important that DDs are available to help users with problems that other users may not

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:03:07PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: I read this list because I feel that it's important that DDs are available to help users with problems that other users may not efficiently help them with. And I've been on this list long enough to know that many of the people who

Re: debian, package and other version info

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:01:44PM -0800, Petra Kabayo wrote: Thanks a lot Roberto. Now, does 4 in 4Sarge5 correspond to the Debian stable release number? When you download the Debian installers, you see the versions: 3.1_r0 3.1_r1 . . 3.1_r5 So this means

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:33:31AM +1000, Julian De Marchi wrote: How about just talk about debian on a debian list. you know, we mostly talk about debian stuff. this is an extended conversation between all sorts of people all over the world. It is a kind of social forum. The reality of any

RE: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 10:33 +1000, Julian De Marchi wrote: Because I like reading the debian problems/solutions posted on the mailing list. Then why are you contributing to it? I do not like hearing off topic crap. I ma voicing the opinions many want to say. This *IS* on topic. Debian User

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:08:45PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: I'd wish you'd realize that you are a relative new comer, only starting posting in September 2006 with about 70 posts. Stay on this list for 5 years or more. I have more than 2,350 most being VERY informative to most people, yes

Installing Debian

2007-02-26 Thread Thomas A. Blair Sr.
I am having trouble install Debian on my laptop. I have a Sony Vaio PCG-K25. I am using Windows XP Pro. I can install other Linux OS such as Suse and RedHat. When I get to the Select the Language my computer keyboard and mouse pad will not respond. I am trying to install Debian Version 3.1 r0ai.

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:00:43 -0500, Roberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:38:59AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Name five American national-level politicians in your lifetime that had moral fortitude. You can't get that far in US politics without being a

Re: Installing Debian

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:14:24PM -0500, Thomas A. Blair Sr. wrote: I am having trouble install Debian on my laptop. I have a Sony Vaio PCG-K25. I am using Windows XP Pro. I can install other Linux OS such as Suse and RedHat. When I get to the Select the Language my computer keyboard and mouse

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 20:03 -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I'm sorry to hear that. Of course, I expect that you are more than capable of efficiently ignoring the OT threads, if you so choose. I read this list because I feel that it's important that DDs are available to

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:12:45AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:00:43 -0500, Roberto wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: W (whatever you think of him, he *does* have moral fortitude). ..huh??? This is Sissy Boy George, the Nepotist Warrior Ace who Flew So High

Re: No sound in Thinkpad Z61M after configuring ALSA

2007-02-26 Thread Allan Wind
I know this thread is a bit old by now, but I noticed the irq 66 in your /dev/sndsat which looked odd (typo). To get a similar machine working here I had to `dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base`, and I noticed some upgrades of that package which is now at 1.0.13-4. alsamixer does not offer me a

Re: Please help to make a server accesible from the internet

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 02:27:51PM -0800, Jordi wrote: Hello I am actually a user of Xubuntu Linux, but as it is based on Debian, and here may be more people that are wise on servers, I come to ask you for help. I have 2 computers: one with Xubuntu and the other with Windows XP. The

Unsure where to report bug

2007-02-26 Thread dominijannir
Hi, I'm running Gnome on Etch (AMD64) and, after today's batch of updates, started having the following problem: Unless the Configuration Editor has been used to set the screensaver to a blank page, opening Desktop-Preferences-screensaver (either Gnome's or xscreensaver) immediately logs me

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:17:42PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: You are marginalizing yourself. There are many more forums. sure go ahead and go there. But the thing is, you won't leave. You never left during the great flame-wars on Debian-Devel, even though you said you were going to there as

Re: Unsure where to report bug

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:04:52PM -0500, dominijannir wrote: Hi, I'm running Gnome on Etch (AMD64) and, after today's batch of updates, started having the following problem: Unless the Configuration Editor has been used to set the screensaver to a blank page, opening

Re: Please help to make a server accesible from the internet

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:22:12PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 02:27:51PM -0800, Jordi wrote: I have 2 computers: one with Xubuntu and the other with Windows XP. The Xubuntu machine is connected to the router Thomson Speedtouch 530v6 by ethernet card, and

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 20:03 -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: I'm sorry to hear that. Of course, I expect that you are more than capable of efficiently ignoring the OT threads, if you so choose. I read this list because I feel that it's important that

Re: Installing Debian

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Thomas, I am taking this back to the list. It is generally considered bad form to reply presonally and not to the list, unless what you have to say is not appropriate for the list. On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:20:08PM -0500, Thomas A. Blair Sr. wrote: I am new at using Debian, what is Etch (4.0)

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:49:50PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 16:05, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:53:01PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 13:26, Paul Johnson wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 19:51, Michael M. wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 01:38:02PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Nigel Henry wrote: Perhaps I should just unsubscribe from the debian, and fedora lists. There seems to be less of this sort of crap on forums. At least they are moderated. But you don't get the expertise. Forums tend to

Re: We need an off-topic list (was Re: REALLY OT: News Flash)

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 06:24:40PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 17:34, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:09:46PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote: While you're busy restarting that flame war again, why not also ressurect the one asking for so-called header munging, so

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 01:22:27PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 12:24:26PM -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wishful thinking I like a good digression as well as the next person, probably better

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 20:11 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:08:45PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: I'd wish you'd realize that you are a relative new comer, only starting posting in September 2006 with about 70 posts. Stay on this list for 5 years or more. I have

Re: Installing Debian

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:31:20PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Thomas, I am taking this back to the list. It is generally considered bad form to reply presonally and not to the list, unless what you have to say is not appropriate for the list. *ahem* snicker On Mon, Feb 26, 2007

Re: Unsure where to report bug

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:25:50PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:04:52PM -0500, dominijannir wrote: Hi, I'm running Gnome on Etch (AMD64) and, after today's batch of updates, started having the following problem: Unless the Configuration Editor

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 19:31, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:49:50PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 16:05, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:53:01PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/26/07 13:26, Paul

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:01:12 -0600, Ron wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Seriously, no jokes or sarcasm: what's the term for non-mercenary soldier? ..soldier. Or, human, pl humans. Under the full 4 Geneva Conventions, mercenaries lose _all_ human rights to POW treatment etc once

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 08:47:14PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.debian.org+roberto%40connexer.com This is just a big time guess, 2130 is the number. Mine was a guess too. I just counted all of my mails to @lists.debian.org with my current e-mail

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:50:43PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Ah, ok. Not lame, but wrong circumstances. Maybe if we'd been drinking beer. /me sets down bottle okay. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 19:29, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 20:03 -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: [snip] Participating in OT: threads or in flamewars does not mean that one likes such stuff. It

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Joey Hess
Greg Folkert wrote: You are marginalizing yourself. There are many more forums. sure go ahead and go there. But the thing is, you won't leave. You never left during the great flame-wars on Debian-Devel, even though you said you were going to there as well. Recently there have been some very

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 17:37, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:55, Joe Hart wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/25/07 16:04, John K Masters wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:40:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:09:40 -0500 Michael

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 19:50, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [snip] ..this is _regardless_ of whether the mercenaries commits war crimes or tries to stop them. Letting mercenaries live, and keep even their money in return for carrying the burden of proof they stop and

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Joe Hart wrote: Well, they did change their monetary system, so normal people could count money. Please don't do it to the clock. It's bad enough that Hitler shot himself in the head in '45 ending the rational justification for daylight savings time now without having to figure out what 72

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: Michael Pobega wrote: Off-topic from an off-topic thread? What an oxymoron. And yeah, teachers always say that we'll be switching to the metric system but it will never happen. I'm still in high school and my economics teacher says that all of the time.

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: I don't think it is prudent to excuse people from anti-social behaviour just because they are smarter/more-knowledgeable/otherwise-better than the average bear. Where do I rank? :o) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:16:06PM +0100, Joe Hart wrote: That explains one of the reasons that public transportation is much better here, although in New York City, public transportation is also readily available (unless it is raining :) ) Public transportation

Re: OT

2007-02-26 Thread John -
On (26/02/07 19:57), Joey Hess wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Some folks around here consider myself, Ron, Paul, Andrew and some of the others to be experts. I don't think any of us is in any danger of quitting the list. I am. I, for one, would consider losing joeyh's attention a

Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Carl Johnson wrote: Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Pobega wrote: Please don't start talking about gas prices. It makes me think about how much we get ripped off at the pumps. Current price is 1.40 Euro per liter. Do the math: 1.3 Euro = 1 Dollar. 3.8 liter = 1 US

Re: Re: Debian 4

2007-02-26 Thread BILL SMITH
shad up eh On 2/26/07, Andrew Sackville-West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:20:44PM +, Doofus wrote: Greg Folkert wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:58 +, Doofus wrote: When? For the past seven months we've had under the news section at debian.org: Upcoming

RE: OT

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
If you want to be taken seriously, don't top post. http://wiki.ursine.ca/Best_Online_Quoting_Practices Julian De Marchi wrote: How about just talk about debian on a debian list. Is that to hard? Read the list topic statement. It's about users and help, not necessarily one or the other.

Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

2007-02-26 Thread Stephen
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:23:13AM -0600 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/07 10:08, Stephen wrote: On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:34:12AM -0600 or thereabouts, Kent West wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: But coal is less oogey-boogey scary

Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

2007-02-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:38:41AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..aye, but how many of us on the western side could know for sure before Russia Left the SU?  Or even on the eastern side? Everybody. When has any country having breadlines and

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