upgrade snafu

2013-03-01 Thread Frank McCormick
Did a quick apt-get update this afternoon: Haven't seem this in a while: localepurge: checking for existence of /var/cache/localepurge/localelist... localepurge: checking system for new locale ... Segmentation fault E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x

Re: ESC[4m does not produce underline

2013-03-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-03-01 20:35 +0100, Thomas D. Dean wrote: The ANSI standard lists ESC[4m as the code to produce an underline export TERM=ansi80x25 printf \033[4masdfasdfasdf produces green text, not underline text as stated in the standard. It produces underline text here in an xterm. If I put

Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: Do you want to help? If no, stop reading now (I don't need more heckling). What I did: 1 - Booted Windows. 1.1 - Copied the Debian-Gnome Live ISO to an 8-GB USB. 1.2 - Shut down Windows. 2 - Booted Debian-Gnome from 8-GB USB - success! 2.1 - Shut down Debian-Gnome. 3 -

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 2:25 PM, Shane Johnson wrote: ...I had to get a Utility from HP to convert the thumbdrive. Not needed in this case. The target USB drive did not come with U3. (The 1-GB USB drive did come with U3, but I removed that years ago.) I would recommend if you want to truly try Debian

Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised

2013-03-01 Thread Brian
On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 13:39:19 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: What I did: 1 - Booted Windows. 1.1 - Copied the Debian-Gnome Live ISO to an 8-GB USB. 1.2 - Shut down Windows. 2 - Booted Debian-Gnome from 8-GB USB - success! 2.1 - Shut down Debian-Gnome. 3 - Booted Windows. 3.1 - Copied the

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work with a hard drive. You (probably) need to install a different boot loader on a USB stick - and which one is dependent on what your BIOS

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Shane Johnson
Mark, The easiest way I am aware of (not used) for that is Knoppix to USB. If I remember right it comes as a utility on the CDrom. Also see Miles comments. Shane On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013/3/1 2:25 PM, Shane Johnson wrote: ...I

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Go Linux
--- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation failed To: Shane Johnson s...@rasmussenequipment.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 2:12 PM I'm afraid it's install

Re: ESC[4m does not produce underline

2013-03-01 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa 01.03.2013 20:57:47 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal(a): export TERM=ansi80x25 printf \033[4masdfasdfasdf produces green text, not underline text as stated in the standard. It produces underline text here in an xterm. On lilyterm (not debian part) too -- Slavko

/bin/run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory.

2013-03-01 Thread Kirk Ismay
I have a virtual lenny system (2.6.26-2-amd64) running on VMWare VCenter. For testing and quality assurance, I am trying to create a clone of the machine under VirtualBox running on my development workstation. I booted from a rescue cd image and created a disk with an identical partition

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 3:16 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work with a hard drive. You (probably) need to install a different boot loader on a USB stick - and

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 3:29 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation failed To: Shane Johnson s...@rasmussenequipment.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 1, 2013,

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

2013-03-01 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 12:13:59PM -0500, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: There are instructions for making a boot flash-drive here: http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,80917.0.html Thanks but these instructions are for

Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised

2013-03-01 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 01:39:19PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: 13 - Removed hard disk. 14 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 14.1 - Created 2.5-GB /, 0.5-GB swap, and 5.0-GB /windows (FAT-32). 14.2 - Attempted install to the 8-GB USB (newly partitioned). 14.3 - Install succeeded! 14.4 -

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 03:42:56PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 3:29 PM, Go Linux wrote: The Debian Live USB is acting like a CD. That's fine, I can boot from it. But I can't configure it (different wallpaper, for example) and I can't install anything (Icedove, for example). Do

Caldav client on Debian

2013-03-01 Thread Mérof 42
Hi, I'm using Owncloud since few month, but with the web interface calendar is not really useful I'm looking for a simple caldav client, but I can't find one. Do you have any idea which client can I use? I'm searching a simple client, not like evolution who need a mailbox activated. Thanks you

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 03:16:12PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work with a hard drive. You (probably) need to install a different boot loader on

Re: /bin/run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory.

2013-03-01 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2013-03-01 21:22 +0100, Kirk Ismay wrote: I have a virtual lenny system (2.6.26-2-amd64) running on VMWare VCenter. For testing and quality assurance, I am trying to create a clone of the machine under VirtualBox running on my development workstation. I booted from a rescue cd image and

Re: RAID1 all bootable

2013-03-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 08:20:09PM +0100, Francesco Pietra wrote: Hi: With a raid1 amd64 wheezy, one of the two HDs got broken. Unfortunately, I had added grub to sda only, which is just the one broken. So that, when it is replaced with a fresh HD, the OS is not found. Inverting the SATA

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Go Linux
--- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation failed To: Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 2:42 PM On 2013/3/1 3:29 PM, Go Linux wrote:

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

2013-03-01 Thread Jack Schneider
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 14:37:32 -0500 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Fair enough, but... I have to say it Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both directions, in the

Re: moving /var

2013-03-01 Thread Bob Proulx
Bonno Bloksma wrote: A simple live CD is sufficient: Debian netinst minimal CD in rescue mode is sufficient to do so. Do not forget to update the /etc/fstab configuration file with respect to the change; to clean up the /var (and let an empty one) in the `/' (root) partition. It is

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 4:41 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak wrote: I'm afraid it's install Linux on a USB thumb drive or nothing. Duh . . . How about installing on an external hard drive? That would be nice, but that would be on USB

Re: install grub2 to root partition

2013-03-01 Thread Bob Proulx
Skippy VonDrake wrote: I have multiple partitions, Ubuntu installed on one and grub2 installed in the MBR. The BIOS will only boot one MBR. Fortunately it can be shared between Ubuntu and Debian okay. Since your primary one is Ubuntu I would use it to boot both. When I installed Debian

An Apology was:Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

2013-03-01 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 01 March 2013 08:33:41 Lisi Reisz wrote: Thirdly, I didn't notice yesterday, but he is not even telling the truth.  He cannot both be around 70 (he usually says he is approaching 70) and have worked on/with punched cards in 1949.  (Do the arithmetic.) It has been drawn to my

Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 3:55 PM, Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 01:39:19PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: 13 - Removed hard disk. 14 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 14.1 - Created 2.5-GB /, 0.5-GB swap, and 5.0-GB /windows (FAT-32). 14.2 - Attempted install to the 8-GB USB (newly partitioned). 14.3

Re: upgrade snafu

2013-03-01 Thread Bob Proulx
Frank McCormick wrote: localepurge: checking for existence of /var/cache/localepurge/localelist... localepurge: checking system for new locale ... Segmentation fault E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/sbin/localepurge ] [ $(ps w -p $PPID | egrep -c

Re: An Apology was:Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

2013-03-01 Thread Richard Owlett
Lisi Reisz wrote: It has been drawn to my attention off list that I am wrong ... NOT TO WORRY If I took myself too seriously I've siblings {and friends} who would resolve issue ;/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

10 top myths of debian

2013-03-01 Thread Dick Thomas
Hello, Me and my lug have a weekly radio show and I thought I would do a debian myths piece it only has to be 4 or 5 min long but i'd need 5 or 10 myths abou debian *with links to why they are myth* I'm new to debian but not a new Linux user, so I don't know what is a myth or not things like

Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised

2013-03-01 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 01 March 2013 22:25:20 Mark Filipak wrote: You want to install it to the 8 GB usb stick, which may be /dev/sdb -- but you should make sure. Really? Are you saying that at that point the USB thumb drive has a mount point? I don't think so, but what the hell do I know. Even if it

Re: 10 top myths of debian

2013-03-01 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 01 March 2013 22:33:37 Dick Thomas wrote: Me and my lug have a weekly radio show \o/ Where? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: 10 top myths of debian

2013-03-01 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 01 March 2013 22:33:37 Dick Thomas wrote: that packages outside of the main Repo aren't tested as well as the main so are prone to failure or bugs The first of these propositions is true, the second false. Several of the repos are very well tested indeed and rock solid (e.g. main

Re: 10 top myths of debian

2013-03-01 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 01 March 2013 22:33:37 Dick Thomas wrote: Debian is always out of date and even the stable is unsecure as its backported fixes rather than updates Sorry to answer piecemeal. Debian stable starts to go out of date as soon as it is released, or even before, while it was still

Re: ESC[4m does not produce underline OOPS

2013-03-01 Thread Richard Hector
On 02/03/13 08:46, Thomas D. Dean wrote: On 03/01/13 11:35, Thomas D. Dean wrote: The ANSI standard lists ESC[4m as the code to produce an underline export TERM=ansi80x25 printf \033[4masdfasdfasdf produces green text, not underline text as stated in the standard. If I put the same in

Re: 10 top myths of debian

2013-03-01 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: I have had a problem with chromium, but that has its own repository. Filename: pool/main/c/chromium-browser/chromium_25.0.1364.97-1_amd64.deb -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Installation failed - and failed again...

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
Hello All, By mistake this thread has been going only to Steven Grunza. I'm reposting to the whole list for help. Regarding installing onto the USB hard drive... I booted from USB thumb drive, then tried to install from that (using its built-in Debian Installer) onto a USB hard drive. That

Re: Installation failed - and failed again...

2013-03-01 Thread Brian
On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 18:44:55 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: Regarding installing onto the USB hard drive... I booted from USB thumb drive, then tried to install from that (using its built-in Debian Installer) onto a USB hard drive. That also failed, same problem as when I attempted to install

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 3:16 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work with a hard drive. You (probably) need to install a different boot loader on

Re: moving /var

2013-03-01 Thread Mr G
Why can't you just #mount --rebind /var /newvar B G On Mar 1, 2013 4:00 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Bonno Bloksma wrote: A simple live CD is sufficient: Debian netinst minimal CD in rescue mode is sufficient to do so. Do not forget to update the /etc/fstab configuration file

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 3:29 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation failed To: Shane Johnson s...@rasmussenequipment.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date:

Re: Caldav client on Debian

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mérof 42 wrote: Hi, I'm using Owncloud since few month, but with the web interface calendar is not really useful I'm looking for a simple caldav client, but I can't find one. Do you have any idea which client can I use? I'm searching a simple client, not like evolution who need a mailbox

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 03:16:12PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work with a hard drive. You (probably) need to install a different

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 03:16:12PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work with a hard drive. You (probably) need to install a different

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 07:14:59PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 03:16:12PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 07:25:30PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 03:16:12PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work

Re: ESC[4m does not produce underline OOPS

2013-03-01 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Richard Hector wrote: On 02/03/13 08:46, Thomas D. Dean wrote: On 03/01/13 11:35, Thomas D. Dean wrote: The ANSI standard lists ESC[4m as the code to produce an underline export TERM=ansi80x25 printf \033[4masdfasdfasdf produces green text, not underline text as stated in the standard.

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 07:14:59PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 03:16:12PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders

Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised

2013-03-01 Thread Rob Owens
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 05:25:20PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 3:55 PM, Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 01:39:19PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: 13 - Removed hard disk. 14 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 14.1 - Created 2.5-GB /, 0.5-GB swap, and 5.0-GB /windows (FAT-32).

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 07:25:30PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Rob Owens wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 03:16:12PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Brian
On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 19:25:30 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: in fact, I expect that's what's happening to Mark when he tries to install GRUB - the installer is either: a) trying to install on the hdd, which he's disconnected (fail), or, The kernel has no knowledge about a non-existent hard

Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised

2013-03-01 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
Do you want to help? If no, stop reading now (I don't need more heckling). Do you want help? Then don't write agressive email with sarcastic subject. What I did: [...] What you tried to do requires great Linux skill and knowledge. It is beyond your possibilities to even understand help on

Re: ESC[4m does not produce underline OOPS

2013-03-01 Thread Glenn English
On Mar 1, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: 404 File not found. Google 'console_codes(4) - Linux manual page'. -- Glenn English -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Installation failed - and failed again...

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 6:58 PM, Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 18:44:55 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: Regarding installing onto the USB hard drive... I booted from USB thumb drive, then tried to install from that (using its built-in Debian Installer) onto a USB hard drive. That also failed, same

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Joe
On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:42:56 -0500 Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/3/1 3:29 PM, Go Linux wrote: Duh . . . How about installing on an external hard drive? That would be nice, but that would be on USB also... And if the computer's hardware can deal with USB hard

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 7:03 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 3:16 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: GRUB LILO install failures unexplained - no help. Well that makes perfect sense. GRUB and LILO boot loaders designed to work with a hard drive. You (probably)

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 19:25:30 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: in fact, I expect that's what's happening to Mark when he tries to install GRUB - the installer is either: a) trying to install on the hdd, which he's disconnected (fail), or, The kernel has no knowledge about a

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 8:13 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 19:25:30 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: in fact, I expect that's what's happening to Mark when he tries to install GRUB - the installer is either: a) trying to install on the hdd, which he's disconnected (fail), or,

Re: Installation failed - again - why am I not surprised

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 7:47 PM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Do you want to help? If no, stop reading now (I don't need more heckling). Do you want help? Then don't write agressive email with sarcastic subject. What I did: [...] What you tried to do requires great Linux skill and knowledge. It

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Shane Johnson
Miles, you are not helping. Kindly stop contributing to this thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.**debian.orgdebian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 8:13 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 19:25:30 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: in fact, I expect that's what's happening to Mark when he tries to install GRUB - the installer is either: a) trying to install on the hdd, which he's

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 8:47 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 8:13 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 19:25:30 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: in fact, I expect that's what's happening to Mark when he tries to install GRUB - the installer is either: a)

Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
If anyone is still there, I do want help. I've spent all day at this. Ground rules: 1 - If you can't help, please don't try. 2 - Please don't assume I haven't read how to install Debian. I have. It's no big deal. 3 - My computer boots from USB - no problem. I'm booting Debian Live from USB.

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Shane Johnson
Ok since we're starting over, some questions. On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: If anyone is still there, I do want help. I've spent all day at this. Ground rules: 1 - If you can't help, please don't try. 2 - Please don't assume I haven't read

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread green
Shane Johnson wrote at 2013-03-01 20:53 -0600: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: During the Debian installation (to USB thumb drive or USB hard drive), when it goes to install GRUB, it fails. To help further with this, we will need

Re: 10 top myths of debian

2013-03-01 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 03/01/2013 05:19 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 01 March 2013 22:33:37 Dick Thomas wrote: Debian is always out of date and even the stable is unsecure as its backported fixes rather than updates Sorry to answer piecemeal. Debian stable starts to go out of date as soon as it is released,

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 10:03 PM, green wrote: Shane Johnson wrote at 2013-03-01 20:53 -0600: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: During the Debian installation (to USB thumb drive or USB hard drive), when it goes to install GRUB, it fails. To help further with

Re: ESC[4m does not produce underline OOPS

2013-03-01 Thread Thomas D. Dean
On 03/01/13 16:56, Glenn English wrote: The linux console is a HDMI display attached to a RaspberryPi. I changed to ncurses5. Looks like the display does not support underline. Thanks, Tom Dean -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: 10 top myths of debian

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Yaro Kasear wrote: I don't know if Debian's the most SECURE distribution. It doesn't really have a hardened profile or anything like what Gentoo offers. (Gentoo isn't a prime example of a secure Linux system, I more point to the concept of having a hardened base available, whihc Debian

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 10:39 PM, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 10:03 PM, green wrote: Shane Johnson wrote at 2013-03-01 20:53 -0600: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: During the Debian installation (to USB thumb drive or USB hard drive), when it goes to

Re: Keyboard remapping

2013-03-01 Thread Daniel Dalton
For instance, in my case, I had written a file /etc/udev/keymaps/apple-aluminum containing: 0x70035 86 # Left to z: 102nd (providing backslash bar) 0x70064 grave # Left to 1: grave notsign 0x70068 insert # F13 for the remappings I needed. The first number is the scan code, the

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-03-01 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
There was once a fellow on a list I belong to whose postings were one tale of woe after another which is not that unusual for those of us who tinker and work in technology. The trouble with him was that it was all one big conspiracy against him and he was just going to get out of the hobby of

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: There was once a fellow on a list I belong to whose postings were one tale of woe after another which is not that unusual for those of us who tinker and work in technology. The trouble with him was that it was all one big conspiracy against him and he was just

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) Do you really want to start a debate on best OS ever? Talk about an ugly religious argument, even if we exclude anyone dumb (or trollish) enough to

Re: Installation failed

2013-03-01 Thread Richard Hector
On 02/03/13 14:11, Mark Filipak wrote: Miles. will you kindly stop responding to me. Pretty much nobody knows everything. We have a _community_, each member of which knows some stuff. People can help by mentioning the bits that they know, and putting it together with the bits that other people

Re: ESC[4m does not produce underline OOPS

2013-03-01 Thread Richard Hector
On 02/03/13 13:34, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Richard Hector wrote: On 02/03/13 08:46, Thomas D. Dean wrote: On 03/01/13 11:35, Thomas D. Dean wrote: The ANSI standard lists ESC[4m as the code to produce an underline export TERM=ansi80x25 printf \033[4masdfasdfasdf produces green text,

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 10:51 PM, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 10:39 PM, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 10:03 PM, green wrote: Shane Johnson wrote at 2013-03-01 20:53 -0600: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: During the Debian installation (to USB thumb

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Shane Johnson
Only thing I can think of I think Ubuntu has one but I don't know if it's actually a installer or just lets your run the Distro live in Windows. Shane On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013/3/1 10:51 PM, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 10:39

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 11:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: There was once a fellow on a list I belong to whose postings were one tale of woe after another which is not that unusual for those of us who tinker and work in technology. The trouble with him was that it was all one

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Richard Hector
On 02/03/13 17:33, Mark Filipak wrote: I'm back. When the GRUB install failed I pressed Alt+F4. The Debian Installer disappeared and I was immediately back to the LWDE desktop. I tried Alt+F4 there and nothing happened. Linux has the concept of virtual terminals (VTs). Alt-Fn switches between

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) Do you really want to start a debate on best OS ever? Talk about an ugly religious argument, even if we exclude anyone dumb (or trollish) enough to

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/1 11:54 PM, Richard Hector wrote: On 02/03/13 17:33, Mark Filipak wrote: I'm back. When the GRUB install failed I pressed Alt+F4. The Debian Installer disappeared and I was immediately back to the LWDE desktop. I tried Alt+F4 there and nothing happened. Linux has the concept of

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-03-01 Thread Go Linux
--- On Fri, 3/1/13, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati assir...@nonada.if.usp.br wrote: From: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati assir...@nonada.if.usp.br Subject: Re: I wish to advocate linux To: Martin McCormick mar...@x.it.okstate.edu Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 10:01 PM

[OT] re: trolls and operating systems [was: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.]

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) Do you really want to start a debate on best OS ever? Talk about an ugly religious argument, even if we exclude

Re: I wish to advocate linux

2013-03-01 Thread Miles Fidelman
Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati assir...@nonada.if.usp.br wrote: From: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati assir...@nonada.if.usp.br Subject: Re: I wish to advocate linux To: Martin McCormick mar...@x.it.okstate.edu Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 1,

Re: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.

2013-03-01 Thread Richard Hector
On 02/03/13 18:08, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/1 11:54 PM, Richard Hector wrote: Linux has the concept of virtual terminals (VTs). Ah, yes. Windows had such a switcher addin about 20 years ago. Linux has had them about that long, too :-) In the case of LWDE, I could see there were

Re: [OT] re: trolls and operating systems [was: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.]

2013-03-01 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati
Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) Do you really want to start a debate on best OS ever? Talk about an ugly religious argument, even if we exclude

Re: [OT] re: trolls and operating systems [was: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.]

2013-03-01 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 03/01/2013 11:57 PM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) Do you really want to start a debate on best OS ever? Talk

Re: Install failed - USB flash to USB drive [SOLVED]

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
I successfully installed this: debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso to a USB flash in Windows with this: dd bs=1M if=debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso od=e: (where 'e:' is the USB flash's Windows device letter - note that the 'od=' switch is not documented in command-line help.)

Re: [OT] re: trolls and operating systems [was: Install failed - let's start again, without bogus assumptions, please.]

2013-03-01 Thread Mark Filipak
On 2013/3/2 12:57 AM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Windows-NT 3.5 was probably the finest OS ever written Let us see who will be the first to bite the troll :) Do you really want to start a debate on best OS ever? Talk

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

2013-03-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 08:34:57AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Fair enough, but... I have to say it Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by hand, from TTL logic gates. :-)

Re: Install failed - USB flash to USB drive [SOLVED]

2013-03-01 Thread Richard Hector
On 02/03/13 19:25, Mark Filipak wrote: I successfully installed this: debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso to a USB flash in Windows with this: dd bs=1M if=debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso od=e: (where 'e:' is the USB flash's Windows device letter - note that the 'od='

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

2013-03-01 Thread Chris Bannister
[Sorry, posted previous post too soon! :D] On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 12:23:01PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: Fair enough, but... I have to say it Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by hand,

looking for free software to interactively extract models from images with

2013-03-01 Thread Dan Hitt
Hi All, I'm looking for a piece of free software that can display images (such as jpg) and interactively extract data (or form models) from them. So this would be something like the measure tool in gimp, but much more involved: instead of having a single line segment which you compare with the

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