[un peu HS]OpenVpn pas si opaque sur les ports

2014-04-25 Thread C. Mourad Jaber
Bonjour, J'observe un comportement qui me parait illogique pour un VPN avec openvpn. J'ai un serveur qui héberge un openvpn en TCP (pour permettre un fonctionnement dans un maximum de réseaux)... Quand je suis sur le wifi de mon ADSL domestique, pas de problème, tout le trafic réseau est

Re: [un peu HS]OpenVpn pas si opaque sur les ports

2014-04-25 Thread Guillaume
Le 25/04/2014 10:50, C. Mourad Jaber a écrit : Bonjour, J'observe un comportement qui me parait illogique pour un VPN avec openvpn. J'ai un serveur qui héberge un openvpn en TCP (pour permettre un fonctionnement dans un maximum de réseaux)... Quand je suis sur le wifi de mon ADSL

Re: [un peu HS]OpenVpn pas si opaque sur les ports

2014-04-25 Thread C. Mourad Jaber
Le 25/04/2014 13:38, Guillaume a écrit : Le 25/04/2014 10:50, C. Mourad Jaber a écrit : Bonjour, J'observe un comportement qui me parait illogique pour un VPN avec openvpn. J'ai un serveur qui héberge un openvpn en TCP (pour permettre un fonctionnement dans un maximum de réseaux)... Quand

Re: [un peu HS]OpenVpn pas si opaque sur les ports

2014-04-25 Thread C. Mourad Jaber
Le 25/04/2014 15:05, C. Mourad Jaber a écrit : Le 25/04/2014 13:38, Guillaume a écrit : Le 25/04/2014 10:50, C. Mourad Jaber a écrit : Bonjour, J'observe un comportement qui me parait illogique pour un VPN avec openvpn. J'ai un serveur qui héberge un openvpn en TCP (pour permettre un

erreur avec ps -ef

2014-04-25 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
Bonjour, j'ai une erreur en lançant un script shell avec ps (pièce jointe)... qui a été confronté à cette erreur ? slt bernard --- La différence entre l'amour et l'argent, c 'est que si on partage son argent, il diminue. Tandis que si on partage son

Re: [un peu HS]OpenVpn pas si opaque sur les ports

2014-04-25 Thread Gaël
Hello ! Si le serveur openvpn est sur la même IP que le service auquel tu souhaites te connecter, la connexion ne passera pas par le VPN. Regarde ta table de routage ! En gros, tout le trafic vers 0.0.0.0/1 est envoyé dans tun0 à ton serveur VPN, sauf le trafic à destination de l'ip du serveur

Re: erreur avec ps -ef

2014-04-25 Thread Bzzz
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:18:19 +0200 Bernard Schoenacker bernard.schoenac...@free.fr wrote: j'ai une erreur en lançant un script shell avec ps (pièce jointe)... Pas étonnant, lance la 1ère ligne de Cde à la main et tu comprendras pourquoi ça plante. -- Tous les matins, j'apporte à

Re: erreur avec ps -ef

2014-04-25 Thread Samy Mezani
Bonjour le 25/04/2014 17:18, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit: kill -9 $(ps -ef |grep mplayer |awk '{print $2}') Et pourquoi ne pas utiliser 'pkill mplayer' ? Cordialement, Samy -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous

Re: erreur avec ps -ef

2014-04-25 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
Bonjour, le 25/04/2014 17:18, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit: kill -9 $(ps -ef |grep mplayer |awk '{print $2}') Et pourquoi ne pas utiliser 'pkill mplayer' ? Cordialement, Samy bonjour, merci samy d'avoir donné la bonne instruction pour tuer un processus le plus simplement

Re: [un peu HS]OpenVpn pas si opaque sur les ports

2014-04-25 Thread Johnny B
Hello, C'est surtout la conf du VPN qui est voir. Il faut définir dans ta conf VPN que tu souhaites que tout le traffic soit routé vers le VPN Je dirais donc : RTFM ;) Dans ton client : redirect-gateway def1 Dans tes routes : 0.0.0.0/1 via 10.x.x.x dev tap0 Le 04/25/2014 05:07 PM, Gaël a

Re: [un peu HS]OpenVpn pas si opaque sur les ports

2014-04-25 Thread Bzzz
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 19:48:48 +0200 Johnny B frozzensh...@gmail.com wrote: Dans ton client : redirect-gateway def1 Dans tes routes : 0.0.0.0/1 via 10.x.x.x dev tap0 sanzoublier de pousser le DNS local vers le lcient, histoire que vraiment tout y passe: # My LAN DNS push

Re: erreur avec ps -ef

2014-04-25 Thread Christophe
Bonsoir, Le 25/04/2014 17:57, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit : bonjour, merci samy d'avoir donné la bonne instruction pour tuer un processus le plus simplement du monde ... je ne connaissait pas cette instruction ... Dans le même genre, ça doit aussi marcher avec :

Re: erreur avec ps -ef

2014-04-25 Thread Bzzz
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:17:16 +0200 Christophe t...@stuxnet.org wrote: Dans le même genre, ça doit aussi marcher avec : killall mplayer Et p'têt même 'cor mieux avec: killall -9 mplayer -- * phob|Work se nourrit d'amour et d'eau fraiche Bafomet moi dans l'eau fraiche faut que je mette du

kworker prend trop de CPU

2014-04-25 Thread prego jérémy
bonjour, je vous avez parler en décembre de la charge qui redescendais pas et que ma debian consomait plus et avoisinant parfois des températures asez haute. il s'avère que le fautif es le processus kworker qui prend a lui tout seul plus de 70 % du CPU. en cherchant sur internet, j'ai compris

Re: Wheezy en ibm system x3550 m3(no detecta disco)

2014-04-25 Thread Francisco javier
El día 24 de abril de 2014, 10:50, Cristian Mitchell mitchell6...@gmail.com escribió: El 24 de abril de 2014, 10:21, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:40:26 -0300, Francisco javier escribió: Hola, quería consultarles si alguien a instalado Debian estable en un

Re: Wheezy en ibm system x3550 m3(no detecta disco)

2014-04-25 Thread Francisco javier
El día 25 de abril de 2014, 6:09, Francisco javier francisco...@gmail.com escribió: El día 24 de abril de 2014, 10:50, Cristian Mitchell mitchell6...@gmail.com escribió: El 24 de abril de 2014, 10:21, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:40:26 -0300, Francisco

Re: systemd en jessie

2014-04-25 Thread Santiago Vila
Camaleón, en este bug proponen que systemd incluya un ficherito en /etc/grub.d de forma que además de la entrada de arranque normal haya otra con systemd, como sucede con Xen. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=667582 De todas las soluciones imaginables al problema que planteas,

Re: Wheezy en ibm system x3550 m3(no detecta disco)

2014-04-25 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:18:46 -0300, Francisco javier escribió: (...) hola, he intentado lo que me habéis dicho, y no pude llegar al particionado, pero si logre configurar bien el disco, me temo que es problema de la controladora, mañana viernes intentare guiándome con esto

Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 24/04/14 23:58, consultor escribió: () La mal llamada, dificultad de usar GNU/Linux, es solamente el proceso de aprendisaje! La facilidad de uso, solo lleva a ser igual a los Windows! Y actualmente, la mayoria lo que quiere es un Linux Windows-izado. Esas personas, en apariencia, son

Ordenamiento de logs

2014-04-25 Thread Mauro Antivero
Estimados, tengo un servidor que recibe log de varios otros servidores y demás equipos que generen logs, todo mediante syslog por supuesto. El tema es que cuando uno quiere ver el archivo /var/log/syslog se imaginarán la cantidad de información que pasa por allí. Por supuesto que uno puede

Re: systemd en jessie

2014-04-25 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:34:49 +0200, Santiago Vila escribió: Camaleón, en este bug proponen que systemd incluya un ficherito en /etc/grub.d de forma que además de la entrada de arranque normal haya otra con systemd, como sucede con Xen.

Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread consultor
On 04/24/2014 02:58 PM, consultor wrote: On 04/24/2014 09:31 AM, German Cardozo wrote: Un grupo del que desconozco su origen, creo el sitio: http://boycottsystemd.org, supongo que con la buena intención de explicar las razones por las cuales no estan de acuerdo con este sistema. Considero

Re: Ordenamiento de logs

2014-04-25 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:26:50 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió: Estimados, tengo un servidor que recibe log de varios otros servidores y demás equipos que generen logs, todo mediante syslog por supuesto. El tema es que cuando uno quiere ver el archivo /var/log/syslog se imaginarán la cantidad de

Re: Ordenamiento de logs

2014-04-25 Thread Mauro Antivero
El 25/04/14 13:07, Camaleón escribió: El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:26:50 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió: Estimados, tengo un servidor que recibe log de varios otros servidores y demás equipos que generen logs, todo mediante syslog por supuesto. El tema es que cuando uno quiere ver el archivo

Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:01:17 -0430, German Cardozo escribió: (ese html...) Un grupo del que desconozco su origen, creo el sitio: http://boycottsystemd.org, supongo que con la buena intención de explicar las razones por las cuales no estan de acuerdo con este sistema. No me gusta ni comulgo

Re:

2014-04-25 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
Probablemente el sistema de archivos de ese disco tenga formato windows y por eso no te deja ejecutar programas directamente. Si mal no recuerdo hay una opcion de montaje para poder ejecutar programas en particiones windows. Creo que el parametro era exec o sea users,exec -- Si dominas los

Re: Sin sonido tras actualizar pulseaudio

2014-04-25 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
ejecuta es ocomo root -- Si dominas los Bits, dominas el mundo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201404251225.09774.hay...@inor.sld.cu

Excluir subred de restricción de ancho de banda en apache2

2014-04-25 Thread Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez
Hola colegas, tengo una red, donde tengo varias sucursales a las que le doy servio que acceden a mi por la única puerta que tengo en el Nodo 2Mbit/s tengo mi ftp público para mi red local y todas esas oficinas que están conectadas a mi a través de enlaces framerelay a 128kbit/s pero como ya

Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread consultor
On 04/25/2014 07:57 AM, Eduardo Rios wrote: El 24/04/14 23:58, consultor escribió: () La mal llamada, dificultad de usar GNU/Linux, es solamente el proceso de aprendisaje! La facilidad de uso, solo lleva a ser igual a los Windows! Y actualmente, la mayoria lo que quiere es un Linux

Re: Ordenamiento de logs

2014-04-25 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:10:01 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió: El 25/04/14 13:07, Camaleón escribió: (...) Estuve leyendo y veo que está el parámetro facility, el cual generalmente es usado de la forma facility local0-7. Luego uno en el servidor hace que cada uno de estos niveles loguee donde

Re: Boycott a systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Debian GMail
El 24/04/14 18:58, consultor escribió: El objetivo de los mercaderes (personas y grupos que quieren dominar el mundo, esclavizando a todos); ha sido. destruir y/o apropiarse del Software libre; los metodos han sido diferentes; la armada de EU, se atribuye la creacion de internet (cosa que ya

Re: Excluir subred de restricción de ancho de banda en apache2

2014-04-25 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:47:41 -0400, Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez escribió: (...) me encontré con un módulo para apache2 llamado: libapache2-mod-bw y funciona muy bien, solo que al establecer limite de descargas en el apache2 también me afecta a las descargas desde la red local que no afectan el

Re: Ordenamiento de logs

2014-04-25 Thread Mauro Antivero
El 25/04/14 14:27, Camaleón escribió: El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 13:10:01 -0300, Mauro Antivero escribió: El 25/04/14 13:07, Camaleón escribió: (...) Estuve leyendo y veo que está el parámetro facility, el cual generalmente es usado de la forma facility local0-7. Luego uno en el servidor hace que

Re: Excluir subred de restricción de ancho de banda en apache2

2014-04-25 Thread Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez
Echa un vistazo por aquí: Limit the upload bandwidth of your apache webserver with mod_bw http://blog.mansonthomas.com/2009/02/limit-upload-bandwith-of-your-apache.html Saludos, Justo lo que necesitaba!!! Muchas gracias Camaleón por la ayuda brindada una vez más! Saludos... --

Sobre el código no normal que aparece en el arranque de Debian

2014-04-25 Thread José Manuel (EB8CXW)
Hola Tengo Debian testing, y el arranque de Debian aparece fallos. Es tan rápido que no puedo visualizarlo bien, antes no pasaba. Me podían indicar de que manera puedo visualizarlo y como entenderlo. Gracias de antemano Espero su ayuda y les doy las gracias de antemano. -- Un saludo, José

Re: systemd en jessie

2014-04-25 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 03:22:20PM +, Camaleón wrote: Lo raro es que aún no se haya incluido el parche en testing/sid ya que el informe es de hace dos años como bien apunta el propio informador del bug. Creo que la razón está en el propio bug, al final: Michael Stapelberg dice: I’ll

Re: Sobre el código no normal que aparece en el arranque de Debian

2014-04-25 Thread José Manuel (EB8CXW)
El 25/04/14 19:18, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: Hola Tengo Debian testing, y el arranque de Debian aparece fallos. Es tan rápido que no puedo visualizarlo bien, antes no pasaba. Me podían indicar de que manera puedo visualizarlo y como entenderlo. Gracias de antemano Espero su ayuda y

Re: Wheezy en ibm system x3550 m3(no detecta disco)

2014-04-25 Thread Cristian Mitchell
El 25 de abril de 2014, 11:54, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:18:46 -0300, Francisco javier escribió: (...) hola, he intentado lo que me habéis dicho, y no pude llegar al particionado, pero si logre configurar bien el disco, me temo que es problema de la

Re: Wheezy en ibm system x3550 m3(no detecta disco)

2014-04-25 Thread Francisco javier
El día 25 de abril de 2014, 18:19, Cristian Mitchell mitchell6...@gmail.com escribió: El 25 de abril de 2014, 11:54, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:18:46 -0300, Francisco javier escribió: (...) hola, he intentado lo que me habéis dicho, y no pude llegar al

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI

2014-04-25 Thread Leandro
Sinval em estudos feitos, se a empresa criar suas políticas de segurança e isso estiver fixado em cartazes mural etc.. ou email enviado assim que uma pessoa ganha uma conta corporativa e amplamente divulgado,sendo claramente listadas as sanções caso as normas sejam desrespeitadas vc pode sim

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI

2014-04-25 Thread Cássio Elias
Acredito que um consenso comum, e um consenso individual sejam o melhor remédio. Se o povo tiver que afundar por causa de nossos governantes, o planeta inteiro afunda, pois o planeta inteiro possui governos. Em 25/04/2014 07:04, Leandro escreveu: Sinval em estudos feitos, se a empresa

Re: rede 192.168.1.x enchergar a rede 192.168.2.x

2014-04-25 Thread Humberto A. Sousa
Boa tarde Vitor, Hoje recebi uma notícia com um link que pode te interessar.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI

2014-04-25 Thread Sinval Júnior
Leandro, Você pode demitir quem você quiser. Mais isto não serve como base para justa causa. Sem falar que isso não vai garantir segurança para suar informações. Visto que regras existem para serem quebradas. Se precisar de fato garantir isto crie redes isoladas. E implemente regras no filtro.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Políticas de Uso TI

2014-04-25 Thread Christian Rosa
Indenpendente da política interna referente a tecnologia da Informação eu entendo que se o usuário que foi admitido está ciente das sanções e politicas, deve cumpri-las igualmente como qualquer outra politica interna da empresa. E para cada descumprimento uma punição, que podem variar de

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:52:13 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Hello Stan, You're asking specifically about an account for list mail only in this thread. None of these concerns apply. Correct me if I'm wrong (I dare you), but I don't think it's your decision whether the

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 10:14 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote: Patrick Bartek: I don't need lots of storage or big attachment sizes (or any attachments really), but I do need IMAP, so I can use

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 4/24/2014 12:03 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 4/19/2014 3:38 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: What with my authentication problems with my Yahoo Mail address on this list, anyone have personal

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:33 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 10:14 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote: Patrick Bartek: I don't need lots of storage or big attachment sizes (or

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/25/2014 1:02 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:52:13 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Hello Stan, You're asking specifically about an account for list mail only in this thread. None of these concerns apply. Correct me if I'm wrong (I dare you), but I

Re: install cinnamon

2014-04-25 Thread Stephen Allen
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 01:40:11PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: Stephen Allen: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 02:58:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Tue 22 Apr 2014 at 11:48:11 +0100, Brian wrote: It would be interesting to know whether this is successful for you. On the segfault site Martins

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:03:44 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Hello Stan, I made a simple common sense observation that applies to anyone using a Some people (me for one) have over 100 mailing list subscriptions. Using an ISP provided email address to run that lot is asinine.

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 11:43 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:03:44 -0500 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Hello Stan, I made a simple common sense observation that applies to anyone using a Some people (me for one) have over 100 mailing list subscriptions.

Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

2014-04-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.04.2014 11:53, James Collier a écrit : Hi Berenger (and all), Thanks very much for the replies. My installed dconf packages and versions: james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache search dconf | grep dconf dconf-cli - simple configuration storage system - utilities dconf-editor - simple

Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

2014-04-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.04.2014 14:01, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Le 24.04.2014 11:53, James Collier a écrit : Hi Berenger (and all), Thanks very much for the replies. My installed dconf packages and versions: james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache search dconf | grep dconf dconf-cli - simple

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.04.2014 06:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:32 -0400, staticsafe wrote: Have you read this stupid things? At least the argument regarding to journalctl isn't stupid. Making a log file binary indeed is the most worse the systemd developers could do. You know,

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Joel Rees
My initial reaction was, what happened that would induce Poettering to have sock puppets post attempts at poisoning the well like this? On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:15 AM, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: Hello list: Have you read this stupid things? Then I thought, maybe it's an attempt to funnel

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which seems to work with everything using python, but hplip wants the pure version of python rather than the unofficial version provided by deb.mozilla.net. So I am back to Andrei's

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 19:29:59 +0100, Brian wrote: On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 10:45:13 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: On 2014-04-23 05:08, Brian wrote: That can be done using http://localhost:631 I tried this option but could not find a ppd file for the particular printer mentioned above.

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main branch the meaningless one going forward. I'm a user, not a kernel dev, and

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.04.2014 15:59, Chris Angelico a écrit : On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main branch the meaningless one

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 04:45:09PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: My opinion is that major distributions will not change every day their init systems, so I guess systemd administration can be reliably learned. That some users like this, or not, do not change the fact that

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:33 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 10:14 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote: Patrick Bartek: I

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson ojs...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to see a comparison of features without any kind of judgement of each merit or con. As soon as people start saying this feature is better then that one that's when the cat gets loose I think, no

dist-upgrade installs new package, lists it as autoremove candidate

2014-04-25 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I'm presently seeing a rather odd behavior, in two parts. My system currently has no installed packages which are considered candidates for autoremoval: root@apologia:/home/wanderer# apt-get autoremove Reading package lists... Done

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 02:45:21 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: Let the corrections and additions begin! Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. We know the

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. ... and if I read all of the seven thousand

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 03:36:09 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 carefully you'll find there is probably

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:26:43 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 25.04.2014 06:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:32 -0400, staticsafe wrote: Have you read this stupid things? At least the argument regarding to journalctl isn't stupid. Making a log

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 23:59 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into learning systemd? Systemd is the future. I'm using it with Arch Linux. For my Debian install I enjoy

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Brian wrote: Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. We know the default init system for Jessie will be systemd. If memebers of this list are

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky to be able to change the air

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Tom Furie
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:49:18PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 21:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool.

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 21:58:30 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. We know the default init system for Jessie

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 21:17 +0100, Tom Furie wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:49:18PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-04-25 10:03, Brian wrote: On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which seems to work with everything using python, but hplip wants the pure version of python rather

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Dale Harris
Well, I have great amount of respect for Ts'o and Linus, they are both very, very smart. Also I have a friend who is rather adept at programming and he's been going through the systemd code and has been bitching about it a lot. So all that second hand negative opinion tends to make me a bit

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 18:07:45 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: I tried what you suggested. The response I received when I ran that command follows. - - BDS:~# dpkg -i /usr/local/share/hplip-3.14.4/python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1_all.deb Selecting previously

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 23:35:27 +0100, Brian wrote: Does python2.6-dev not install? Forgot. apt-get install python2.6-dev or apt-get -f install -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread David Glover-Aoki
On 25 Apr 2014, at 03:04 pm, Dale Harris rod...@gmail.com wrote: Soon systemd will just become the OS, there will be no Linux... I am genuinely convinced that this is the ultimate goal of the systemd devs. -- David Glover-Aoki | https://david.gloveraoki.net/contact PGP key 5518C7DE | Amateur

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-04-25 18:07, Ken Heard wrote: On 2014-04-25 10:03, Brian wrote: On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which seems to work with everything using python, but hplip wants

Re: libc-bin, libc-bin-amd64 conflict

2014-04-25 Thread Gary Roach
On 04/23/2014 03:43 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 23 apr 14, 11:58:49, Gary Roach wrote: Hi all, I am running an Intel i5-750, 4 core processor with Debian 3.2.54-2 x86-64 OS and Debian Squeeze. Recent attempts to update the system, with Aptitude (and dpkg), have failed because of a

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into learning systemd?