Re: gnome no acaba d'arrencar i el xfce tampoc

2014-05-19 Thread Xavier De Yzaguirre i Maura
Moltes gràcies Jors. Aquest vespre m'ho miro. *Xavier De Yzaguirre* xdeyzaguirre(at)gmail(dot)com El dia 18 maig de 2014 23:00, jors j...@enchufado.com ha escrit: On 17/05/14 19:20, Xavier De Yzaguirre i Maura wrote: Hola, fa pocs dies vaif fer un apt-get dist-upgrade i la dia següent no

Re: gnome no acaba d'arrencar i el xfce tampoc

2014-05-19 Thread Xavier De Yzaguirre i Maura
M'he mirat el log del gdm3 i no ho sembla, el consolekit està al dia i m'estic mirant els logs del servidor x. aquí si que em sembla que hi ha el merder. Ja seguiré. Gràcies Jors. *Xavier De Yzaguirre* xdeyzaguirre(at)gmail(dot)com El dia 19 maig de 2014 8:55, Xavier De Yzaguirre i Maura

Re: HS_Re: les dev Gnome 3 sont vraiment des lourds dingues

2014-05-19 Thread fremoin
Bonjour, Le 16/05/2014 16:55, maderios a écrit : ... J'utilise E17, 18 depuis au moins 6 ans, aucun problème de problème de fontes. ... L'intérêt de E: on ne se prend pas la tête, c'est simple à paramétrer, c'est esthétique (Carsten Haitzler, dev principal, possède une bonne culture

Re: HS_Re: les dev Gnome 3 sont vraiment des lourds dingues

2014-05-19 Thread VieuxGeek DuSystem
Bonjour Regrets : je suis trop end-user pour ne pas avoir un peu la pétoche à l'idée de compiler à partir de git. Alors je te conseillerais d'utiliser la virtualisation, tu virtualises une machine qui se rapproche le plus possible de ta machine hôte, tu fais un snapshot, tu testes tranquillement

Re: [Firmware Bug]: AMD-Vi: IOAPIC[0] not in IVRS table

2014-05-19 Thread Alain Rpnpif
Le 18 mai 2014, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Et pas de màj du Bios ? Si j'ai le dernier publié (3.30). -- Alain Rpnpif -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe

kernel avec RT-Preempt

2014-05-19 Thread C. Mourad Jaber
Bonjour, Suite à la mise à jour de Virtualbox, j'ai vu qu'il suggerait d'installer linux-image-rt-amd64. Etant donné que c'est un laptop principalement utilisé par des besoins utilisateur standard (surtout de la bureautique, un peu de dev et parfois des VM), je me pose la question de

Debian Sid 64 bits +Kde : fenêtres noires

2014-05-19 Thread Alain
Bonjour, Désolé pour le titre assez peu évocateur, mais je ne sais pas comment décrire mon problème. J'ai récemment récupéré un PC (Dell Optiplex 755), de la société de ma femme qui donnait leurs vieux PC. J'y ai installé une debian sid + kde. Habituellement, j'utilisais plutôt des debian stable

[XFCE] gestion du matériel devenue impossible

2014-05-19 Thread Samy Mezani
Bonjour, Je suis sur un portable en sid avec xfce, et depuis une dizaine de jours, impossible : - de monter un périphérique de stockage via Thunar, sans un '# mount' préalable en console - d'éteindre, redémarrer, hiberner, mettre en veille (ça marche en console) - d'accéder à la zone de

Re: [XFCE] gestion du matériel devenue impossible

2014-05-19 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
Le Mon, 19 May 2014 14:24:43 +0200, Samy Mezani samy.mez...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Bonjour, Je suis sur un portable en sid avec xfce, et depuis une dizaine de jours, impossible : - de monter un périphérique de stockage via Thunar, sans un '# mount' préalable en console - d'éteindre,

Re: [XFCE] gestion du matériel devenue impossible

2014-05-19 Thread fabrice régnier
'lut, Le 19/05/2014 14:30, Samy Mezani a écrit : Bonjour, Je suis sur un portable en sid avec xfce, et depuis une dizaine de jours, impossible : - de monter un périphérique de stockage via Thunar, sans un '# mount' préalable en console - d'éteindre, redémarrer, hiberner, mettre en veille (ça

Re: Debian Sid 64 bits +Kde : fenêtres noires

2014-05-19 Thread Louis Wiart
Salut Alain, Pour les logs, tu peux regarder au niveau applicatif (KDE, QT, XORG ... dans /var/log et peut être .xsession-errors) et noyau (dmesg) pour commencer. Tu n'arrives vraiment pas à reproduire le problème ? Il n'y a pas une appli / action en particulier qui engendre le problème ?

Re: [XFCE] gestion du matériel devenue impossible

2014-05-19 Thread luc schimpf
Bonjour, je ne crois pas que systemd, thunar ou xfce soient en cause, j'ai le même problème sous KDE, et systemd n'est pas installé. Plus d'accès aux périphériques usb ni à la mise en veille/hibernation, pour network-manager, je ne sais pas, il n'est pas installé chez moi. Cela dit, je

Re: [XFCE] gestion du matériel devenue impossible

2014-05-19 Thread Samy Mezani
le 19/05/2014 14:39, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit: dpkg -l |awk '/thunar/ {print $2$3}' quelle est la version de xfce4 installée ? quelle saveur est employée ? cat /etc/debian_version Désolé, j'oublie l'important : noyau 3.14-1-amd64, sid Même problème avec le

Re: HS_chemin_de_traverse_Enlightenment

2014-05-19 Thread maderios
On 05/19/2014 09:23 AM, fremoin wrote: Un avis passionnant de end-user (sid) : j'ai fini par m'y mettre, et passé une relative confusion au début (ok, rtfm alors), et bien c'est très agréable. Bonjour Vagues repassages chez gnome ou kde pour impressionner les filles ou pour gérer les écrans

Re: [XFCE] gestion du matériel devenue impossible

2014-05-19 Thread Guillaume Partenet
Bonjour, Juste pour signaler que j'ai un problème similaire sur mon portable. Il se met maintenant en veille lorsque je baisse l'écran (ce qui n'était pas le cas avant) et le retour de veille est impossible. Même config sid à jour avec xfce. Changement qui semble être apparu en même temps que

Re: gvenwiew et okular ne trouvent pas mes imprimantes

2014-05-19 Thread MERLIN Philippe
Le dimanche 18 mai 2014, 19:59:51 Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le dimanche 18 mai 2014, 19:27:02 MERLIN Philippe a écrit : Bonjour, ’soir, […] propose une imprimante qui a disparu depuis longtemps de mon univers. Dans le panneau de configuration kde mes imprimantes sont bien

Re: gvenwiew et okular ne trouvent pas mes imprimantes

2014-05-19 Thread MERLIN Philippe
Le lundi 19 mai 2014, 18:26:14 MERLIN Philippe a écrit : Le dimanche 18 mai 2014, 19:59:51 Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le dimanche 18 mai 2014, 19:27:02 MERLIN Philippe a écrit : Bonjour, ’soir, […] propose une imprimante qui a disparu depuis longtemps de mon univers.

Re: [XFCE] gestion du matériel devenue impossible

2014-05-19 Thread Alain Rpnpif
Le 19 mai 2014, luc schimpf a écrit : je ne crois pas que systemd, thunar ou xfce soient en cause, j'ai le même problème sous KDE, et systemd n'est pas installé. Plus d'accès aux périphériques usb ni à la mise en veille/hibernation, pour network-manager, je ne sais pas, il n'est pas

Re: Plugin weather de gnome-shell trop imprécis ...

2014-05-19 Thread Guy Roussin
Aujourd'hui, on a eu de la pluie toute la journée. J'ai eu l'icône d'un nuage avec à côté l'indication Très légère brise L'ancienne version du plugin (wheezy) m'indique plus justement Averses Là je pense que le problème vient plutôt de l'implémentation car lorsqu'on clique sur le bandeau on a bien

Re: HS_chemin_de_traverse_Enlightenment

2014-05-19 Thread fremoin
Bonsoir Merci à vos conseils (c'est pour VieuxduGeek également) ! Le 19/05/2014 18:22, maderios a écrit : On 05/19/2014 09:23 AM, fremoin wrote: Un avis passionnant de end-user (sid) : j'ai fini par m'y mettre, et passé une relative confusion au début (ok, rtfm alors), et bien c'est très

Re: [XFCE] gestion du matériel devenue impossible

2014-05-19 Thread luc schimpf
Je pense que udev fait son boulot correctement, les périphériques sont détectés et annoncés par contre il est impossible de les monter. J'ai essayé avec LXDE, même symptômes mais interface un peu plus bavarde: Not authorized to perform operation Donc un problème de droit, curieusement, avec

emacs modulaire pour ijntégrer mh-e

2014-05-19 Thread Bernard Schoenacker
Bonjour, je recherche différents .emacs modulaires permettant d'intégrer mh-e : http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DotEmacsModular tree .emacs.d/ .emacs.d/ |-- config/ | |-- completion.el | |-- control-version.el | |-- external-command-whole-buffer.el | |--

Debian a oublié les plugins de glpi ??

2014-05-19 Thread fred
Bonjour, apt-cache search glpi donne plein de choses mais pas le plugin pour ocs. Un apt-get install glpi m'a permis d'installer glpi. Je suis allé rechercher le plugin pour ocs , je l'ai installé comme indiqué dans /var/www/glpi/plugin. Et la, glpi ne trouve pas le plugin Une

Re: Debian a oublié les plugins de glpi ??

2014-05-19 Thread david hannequin
Salut, Essaye le plugin GLPI http://plugins.glpi-project.org/spip.php?mot255 avec shinken un fork de nagios en python. A+ Le 19 mai 2014 23:22, fred zul...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour, apt-cache search glpi donne plein de choses mais pas le plugin pour ocs. Un apt-get install glpi

gel systeme

2014-05-19 Thread Jacques Weber
Bonjour, Depuis la mise à jour du kernel impossible de sortir de la veille, le système est gelé avec écran noir. Merci de me dire quel type de bug faire remonter Jacques Linux jacques-hp 3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.4-1~bpo70+1 (2014-05-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux gnome 3.4.2 -- Lisez

Re: OffTopic: reemplazo a Evolution

2014-05-19 Thread Francesc Guitart
El 18/05/2014 18:01, Gonzalo Rivero escribió: Holas, realmente me gusta mucho este cliente de correo pero... ... pero a veces funciona en formas misteriosas (por no decir que hace cosas raras, o anda como el ). A esto se suma -comentado varias veces en esta lista- que la gente de gnome/gtk

Re: [OT] Seguridad

2014-05-19 Thread Francesc Guitart
El 18/05/2014 6:06, lati...@vcn.bc.ca escribió: Hola Les cuento una corta historieta. Una ONG a quien asisto voluntariamente, ya no pueden pagar los costos de mantener un servidor Debian; y uno de los Abogados mas jovenes; el que se opone a tener el servidor Debian, llego con la idea del

Re: [OT] Seguridad

2014-05-19 Thread Francesc Guitart
El 18/05/2014 6:59, Fabián Bonetti escribió: On Sat, 17 May 2014 21:06:37 -0700 lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: Supongo que una manera es pasarle clamav regularmente a los archivos esos. Clamav debería a ver notado alguna especie de intromisión. ClamAV detectará virus. Para ir un poco más lejos

Re: OffTopic: reemplazo a Evolution

2014-05-19 Thread jEsuSdA 8)
El 18/05/14 18:01, Gonzalo Rivero escribió: Entonces aquí estoy, ¿quien me recomienda un cliente, preferentemente no-gtk, que soporte pop, imap, las libretas de direcciones¹ y agenda calendario² de google, y como frutilla del postre, sirva para rss? Hola! Ya te lo han recomendado por aquí,

Re: [OT] Seguridad

2014-05-19 Thread Francesc Guitart
El 19/05/2014 10:15, lati...@vcn.bc.ca escribió: El 18/05/2014 6:06, lati...@vcn.bc.ca escribió: Hola Les cuento una corta historieta. Una ONG a quien asisto voluntariamente, ya no pueden pagar los costos de mantener un servidor Debian; y uno de los Abogados mas jovenes; el que se opone a

Re: [OT] Seguridad

2014-05-19 Thread latinfo
El 19/05/2014 10:15, lati...@vcn.bc.ca escribió: El 18/05/2014 6:06, lati...@vcn.bc.ca escribió: Hola Les cuento una corta historieta. Una ONG a quien asisto voluntariamente, ya no pueden pagar los costos de mantener un servidor Debian; y uno de los Abogados mas jovenes; el que se opone a

Re: OT clonar un hdd con windows7OT clonar un hdd con windows7

2014-05-19 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
ya me vi unos tutoriales en youtube problare con ese G4L creo q la opcion es click and clone para hacer una imagen de un disco al otro disco mi pregunta es si despues que termine ese proceso el otro disco ya esta listo para usarse? y si tengo q colicarle el formato de disco primero o algo asi?

Re: OT clonar un hdd con windows7OT clonar un hdd con windows7

2014-05-19 Thread Debian GMail
El 19/05/14 02:49, William Romero escribió: Hboot , lo tiene a G4L 0.34 como unos de sus herramientas usadas. y libre sobre todo http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd una mas a la opciones de uso. http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/ salu2. Me había olvidado el CloneDisk de Hiren. Es una muy

Re: OffTopic: reemplazo a Evolution

2014-05-19 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
kmail esta muy bueno, pero te recomendaría icedove o sylpheed. Este último principalmente aunque hecho con gtk mantiene la apariencia en todos los entornos. La culpa no es de gtk, es de cómo se hagan las cosas. -- Si dominas los Bits, dominas el mundo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Prueba de rendimiento.

2014-05-19 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
hardinfo puede ayudarte -- Si dominas los Bits, dominas el mundo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201405190851.00184.hay...@inor.sld.cu

Re: OffTopic: reemplazo a Evolution

2014-05-19 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
El lun, 19-05-2014 a las 08:42 -0400, Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR escribió: kmail esta muy bueno, pero te recomendaría icedove o sylpheed. Este último principalmente aunque hecho con gtk mantiene la apariencia en todos los entornos. La culpa no es de gtk, es de cómo se hagan las cosas.

Re: Sin acceso a servidor de pruebas

2014-05-19 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 18 May 2014 19:38:12 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió: OK, vamos a ponerlos al día: ya logro acceder al servidor casero de pruebas, (...) Entonces mejor si dices cómo lo solucionaste y lo marcas en el asunto para cerrar este hilo y no mezclar las cosas ¿no crees? ;-) Saludos, --

Temas GTK (era: OffTopic: reemplazo a Evolution)

2014-05-19 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 19 May 2014 09:38:08 +0200, jEsuSdA 8) escribió: (...) Y por último, una recomendación de tema GTK que sí se ve bien, y mucho, en Gnome y XFCE: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird He probado los 3 que tiene ese proyecto y se ven realmente mal en testing con xfce, no sé por

Re: OffTopic: reemplazo a Evolution

2014-05-19 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 19 May 2014 10:20:11 -0300, Gonzalo Rivero escribió: El lun, 19-05-2014 a las 08:42 -0400, Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR escribió: kmail esta muy bueno, pero te recomendaría icedove o sylpheed. Este último principalmente aunque hecho con gtk mantiene la apariencia en todos los

No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-19 Thread Sergio Bessopeanetto
Estimadas/os: El escenario es el siguiente: En la PC tengo Debian Wheezy con LXDE que funciona de maravillas, es literalmente indestructible. Monta perfectamente un disco declarado en fstab sin problemas. Así lo uso desde hace años. Pero ahora me estoy peleando con Jessie con KDE que no

Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-19 Thread Debian GMail
El 19/05/14 10:41, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió: Estimadas/os: El escenario es el siguiente: En la PC tengo Debian Wheezy con LXDE que funciona de maravillas, es literalmente indestructible. Monta perfectamente un disco declarado en fstab sin problemas. Así lo uso desde hace años. Pero ahora

Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-19 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 19 May 2014 10:41:43 -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió: El escenario es el siguiente: En la PC tengo Debian Wheezy con LXDE que funciona de maravillas, es literalmente indestructible. Monta perfectamente un disco declarado en fstab sin problemas. Así lo uso desde hace años. Pero

Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

2014-05-19 Thread Camaleón
Hola, En Debian testing con gnome-shell cuando inicio con systemv el equipo se queda esperando cuando le digo que se cierre o que quiero reiniciar (saltando a una tty se puede apagar/reiniciar bien con shutdown). Con systemd funciona perfectamente. ¿Alguna idea? ¿Se trata de un bug? Saludos,

Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-19 Thread Sergio Bessopeanetto
El 19/05/14 10:53, Camaleón escribió: El Mon, 19 May 2014 10:41:43 -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió: El escenario es el siguiente: En la PC tengo Debian Wheezy con LXDE que funciona de maravillas, es literalmente indestructible. Monta perfectamente un disco declarado en fstab sin

Re: No puedo montar un HDD en Debian Jessie

2014-05-19 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 19 May 2014 11:09:27 -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió: El 19/05/14 10:53, Camaleón escribió: (...) fdisk -l e intenta con el montaje manual (revisa el dmesg por si vieras más datos). Aunque podría ser una regresión del kernel que tienes en jessie, prueba con una versión

Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

2014-05-19 Thread fernando sainz
El día 19 de mayo de 2014, 16:02, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: Hola, En Debian testing con gnome-shell cuando inicio con systemv el equipo se queda esperando cuando le digo que se cierre o que quiero reiniciar (saltando a una tty se puede apagar/reiniciar bien con shutdown). Con

Re: Sin acceso a servidor de pruebas [FINALIZADO]

2014-05-19 Thread Miguel Matos
El día 19 de mayo de 2014, 8:58, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sun, 18 May 2014 19:38:12 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió: OK, vamos a ponerlos al día: ya logro acceder al servidor casero de pruebas, (...) Entonces mejor si dices cómo lo solucionaste y lo marcas en el asunto para

Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

2014-05-19 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 19 May 2014 14:02:29 +, Camaleón escribió: En Debian testing con gnome-shell cuando inicio con systemv el equipo se queda esperando cuando le digo que se cierre o que quiero reiniciar (saltando a una tty se puede apagar/reiniciar bien con shutdown). Con systemd funciona

Re: Systemv: gnome-shell se queda colgado al reiniciar/cerrar el sistema

2014-05-19 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
El lun, 19-05-2014 a las 14:02 +, Camaleón escribió: Hola, En Debian testing con gnome-shell cuando inicio con systemv el equipo se queda esperando cuando le digo que se cierre o que quiero reiniciar (saltando a una tty se puede apagar/reiniciar bien con shutdown). Con systemd

Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-19 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato
Em 18-05-2014 19:40, Marcelo Laia escreveu: já consegui 4 devoluções de Windows, Dell e Lenovo, e 2 acabei desistindo, da Asus e Itautec se não me engano. Junior, Como você conseguiu devolver as licenças? Eles deram um desconto? Olá! Liguei lá, vários e-mails, eu disse que iria

Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-19 Thread Paulo Roberto P. Evangelista
Sinceramente eu acho que nestes casos a pessoa deveria comprar um notebook já com o linux pre instalado, como dell por exemplo, mas se comprou com o windows pre instalado(Já que não havia opção do mesmo hardware com linux instalado) pois queria exatamente aquele hardware 'x', eu não pedia o

Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-19 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato
Em 19-05-2014 10:42, Paulo Roberto P. Evangelista escreveu: Sinceramente eu acho que nestes casos a pessoa deveria comprar um notebook já com o linux pre instalado, como dell por exemplo, mas se comprou com o windows pre instalado(Já que não havia opção do mesmo hardware com linux instalado)

Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-19 Thread Luiz Henrique Rauber Rodrigues
há marcas q vendem sem sistema operacional, vide avell (sanger) Em 19 de maio de 2014 11:07, Linux - Junior Polegato li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Em 19-05-2014 10:42, Paulo Roberto P. Evangelista escreveu: Sinceramente eu acho que nestes casos a pessoa deveria comprar um

Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-19 Thread Jack Jr
Mas se não exisfir a opção de comprar sem os produtos solteiros da marca que o cidadão bem quiser que busque o divórcio na justiça. Jack Pogorelsky Junior Eng. Mecânico Tel: +55 (51) 93480140 E-mail: j...@sulmail.com Site: http://www.sulmail.com/pogorelsky Blog:

Re: compra de notebook

2014-05-19 Thread André Nunes Batista
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 09:38 -0300, Linux - Junior Polegato wrote: Em 18-05-2014 19:40, Marcelo Laia escreveu: já consegui 4 devoluções de Windows, Dell e Lenovo, e 2 acabei desistindo, da Asus e Itautec se não me engano. Junior, Como você conseguiu devolver as licenças? Eles deram

Vida nova para quem te Diabetes

2014-05-19 Thread Você Diabético.
www.odiabetico.com.br Se você meu amigo(a) tem diabetes. Leia essa mensagem: Imagine um produto totalmente natural, sem contraindicações que tonifica e revitaliza as funções do seu pâncreas, fazendo com que ele volte a produzir a insulina de forma gradual e correta para o seu organismo.

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 08:51:13PM +0200, Filip wrote: There are other reasons to boycot GNOME though. Look at the latest 'feature' in they put in GTK+ 3.12: http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135 The misfeature in question is: a) Already fixed in GTK+ 3.12.1.

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Are you aware that there is a useful (from the perspective of freedoms) distinction to be made between physical property and so-called 'intellectual property'?

How to remote login Debian Gnome from another Debian Gnome machine or Windows machine?

2014-05-19 Thread 釋淨明
Dear all, I'm a newbie of Debian, I have installed debian with gnome on one of my machine (call it A), and i want to remote login it from another machine (call it B) who is also installed with debian gnome, and i also want to remote login machine A from another machine (call it C) who is

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Bill Wood
On Mon, 2014-05-19 at 16:17 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: . . . It involves skull sweat. Now there's a new term - I usually find my skin sweats, although to be honest I'm really not sure about my skull, since it's hidden from my immediate view. Just FYI, Robert Heinlein used skull sweat

Re: How to remote login Debian Gnome from another Debian Gnome machine or Windows machine?

2014-05-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 03:10:24PM +0800, 釋淨明 wrote: Dear all, I'm a newbie of Debian, I have installed debian with gnome on one of my machine (call it A), and i want to remote login it from another machine (call it B) who is also installed with debian gnome, and i also want to

Re: How to remote login Debian Gnome from another Debian Gnome machine or Windows machine?

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 03:10:24PM +0800, 釋淨明 wrote: I'm a newbie of Debian, I have installed debian with gnome on one of my machine (call it A), and i want to remote login it from another machine (call it B) who is also installed with debian

Re: Max number of loop devices OR efficient search of Debian documentation

2014-05-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-05-18, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: You'll have to run chown root:disk /dev/loop8 too. Nobody mentioned that in my reading! ls -l /dev/loop* Yes, I did that after you mentioned the chown and remarked that all my loopy devices (0-7) have root:disk ownership. Thank you for all

Unable to install Debian 7.5.0

2014-05-19 Thread Saptarshi Kapas
Hi, I downloaded debian-7.5.0 from this following location http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/i386/iso-dvd/ . After download i burn this iso in dvd. After that when i am trying to install this to my local machine, machine is unable to load this iso from dvd. So my concern is that, if

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
C... can't ... resist On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: A lot of people responding to this post don't seem to understand that freedom applies to more than just personal choice. The United States

Re: can't get wicd to work

2014-05-19 Thread didier gaumet
Le 18/05/2014 23:25, tom arnall a écrit : [...] root@debian:/home/tom# iwconfig lono wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm [...] Tx-Power=0 suggests that radio is turned off You could try to

Re: Unable to install Debian 7.5.0

2014-05-19 Thread Efraim Flashner
On Mon, 19 May 2014 13:09:03 +0530 Saptarshi Kapas ska...@lexmark.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded debian-7.5.0 from this following location http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/i386/iso-dvd/ . After download i burn this iso in dvd. After that when i am trying to install this to my local

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 15:06, Gary Dale wrote: The Internet is public property in the same way the roads that connect us are. DRM is a fence. My right to use things that I pay for is restricted by DRM. DRM is not part of the Internet any more than the lock on my car door is part of the road. (Doesn't

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Erwan David
Le 19/05/2014 00:21, Tom H a écrit : On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: Systemd-shim is there to provide functions by systemd on a system that does not use it as its init system. It could be useful when you depend on Gnome 3 software like

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Erwan David
Le 19/05/2014 07:56, Reco a écrit : Hi. On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 08:51:13PM +0200, Filip wrote: There are other reasons to boycot GNOME though. Look at the latest 'feature' in they put in GTK+ 3.12: http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135 The misfeature in question

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 19 May 2014 04:15:06 Richard Hector wrote: BTW I'd also like to see evidence for what law prevents linking to someone else's work. Copyright law is not internationally agreed world-wide. It does not hold identically and equally in all countries. So it is not an absolute. Lisi --

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 19 May 2014 03:50:38 Lee Winter wrote: Note that the _statutory_ penalty for a purposeful violation of copyright law is USD$150,000.00 plus fees and legal costs.  Per violation. ***In the ***United States***. This is an international list. Are you really going to admit in this

Re: How to remote login Debian Gnome from another Debian Gnome machine or Windows machine?

2014-05-19 Thread 釋淨明
Thank you Reco! I'm able to remote login A from B by using the default gnome desktop sharing and client, but the problem is if I restart A, than B won't be able to remote login, saying A is closed, do you know how to solve it? On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: How to remote login Debian Gnome from another Debian Gnome machine or Windows machine?

2014-05-19 Thread 釋淨明
Thank you Zenaan for your recommendation! could you help give some me some more detail instructions about how to use ssh on A, B, C? On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 5/19/14, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 03:10:24PM

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 16:20, Carl Fink wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:50:44PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote: But, contrary to Stallman's arguments, intellectual property is real and worth protecting. RMS never said intellectual creations are

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread David Dušanić
  19.05.2014, 00:21, "Tom H" tomh0...@gmail.com:On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: Systemd-shim is there to provide functions by systemd on a system that does not use it as its init system. It could be useful when you depend on Gnome 3 software like

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/18/2014 05:49 PM, Tom H wrote: You seem to have an issue with

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 19/05/2014 07:56, Reco a écrit : Hi. On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 08:51:13PM +0200, Filip wrote: There are other reasons to boycot GNOME though. Look at the latest 'feature' in they put in GTK+ 3.12:

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 19 May 2014 03:50:38 Lee Winter wrote: Note that the _statutory_ penalty for a purposeful violation of copyright law is USD$150,000.00 plus fees and legal costs. Per violation. ***In the ***United States***. This is an

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On 19/05/14 16:20, Carl Fink wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:50:44PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 5/19/14, Lee Winter lee.j.i.win...@gmail.com wrote: But, contrary to Stallman's arguments, intellectual property is real and worth

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On 19/05/14 14:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 9:47 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20140518_2131-0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/18/2014 6:39 PM, The Wanderer wrote: If the copyright on something restricted by DRM were to expire, and

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 04:00, Lee Winter wrote: Anyone who proposes to restrict my ability to choose, for or against, DRM-restricted property is making a proposition that I will _always_ res/ist./ After all, it is about freedom. Mine. I haven't seen any arguments in this thread threatening that.

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 20:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote: A more relevant request: how about an example of a digital (or any) recording that was released _with_DRM_ for which the copyright has now lapsed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_mouse_law Isn't that the reverse? Mickey Mouse, when first

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Erwan David
Le 19/05/2014 10:05, David Dušanić a écrit : 19.05.2014, 00:21, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM, David Dušanić ivanovne...@gmail.com mailto:ivanovne...@gmail.com wrote: Systemd-shim is there to provide functions by systemd on a system that does

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Reco
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 09:47:40AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: Le 19/05/2014 07:56, Reco a écrit : It means that GTK is now a gnome only thing and that all programs using gtk are to be used *only* under gnome. Yep, indeed. And, as I said, this can be the reason to avoid GTK+3 applications if not

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 06:16:20PM +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: I hope that's true only of GTK+3. I have a GTK2 application which I personally run under Xfce, and which I support on all Linux desktop environments, plus Windows and Mac OS. Given that Xfce is GTK+2 desktop environment I

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:30:45AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: And can you explain why hplip depends on systemd ? One reason IMO - PolicyKit. The better question is - why hplip (which is also used on print servers which have to X installed) is depending on PolicyKit (which is desktop-only

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 17:42, Lee Winter wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net mailto:z...@freedbms.net wrote: Are you aware that there is a useful (from the perspective of freedoms) distinction to be made between physical property and so-called

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 20:07, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 19 May 2014 04:15:06 Richard Hector wrote: BTW I'd also like to see evidence for what law prevents linking to someone else's work. Copyright law is not internationally agreed world-wide. It does not hold identically and equally in all

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: I wouldn't call real estate a form of intellectual property; it's very physical. Real, even. On the other hand, I would still treat it differently from ordinary property, on the basis that it will continue to exist

Re: set higher verbosity in exim4 output

2014-05-19 Thread Brian
On Mon 19 May 2014 at 00:32:26 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: I understand one can send messages with exim directly from the command line like sendmail but could not find any examples of that. There is an implication here that you think exim (or sendmail) is to be manipulated directly. That is not

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/19/14, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On 19/05/14 20:43, Zenaan Harkness wrote: A more relevant request: how about an example of a digital (or any) recording that was released _with_DRM_ for which the copyright has now lapsed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_mouse_law

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Richard Hector
On 19/05/14 22:00, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: I wouldn't call real estate a form of intellectual property; it's very physical. Real, even. On the other hand, I would still treat it differently from ordinary property, on

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

2014-05-19 Thread Theodore Alcapotaxis
Hello John, You stated you were running Jessie/SID on an i7. Is it a Sandy-Bridge, Ivy-Bridge or Haswell i7? - Original Message - From: Erwan David Sent: 05/19/14 12:45 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot Le 18/05/2014 00:24,

Re: FSF condemns partnership between Mozilla and Adobe to support Digital Restrictions Management

2014-05-19 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: On 19/05/14 22:00, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote: I wouldn't call real estate a form of intellectual property; it's very physical. Real, even. On

Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot

2014-05-19 Thread Theodore Alcapotaxis
Hello John, What version of i7 do you use? Sandy-Bridge? Ivy-Bridge? Haswell? - Original Message - From: John Bleichert Sent: 05/19/14 04:22 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new 3.14-1-amd64 kernel will not boot On 05/18/2014 12:45 PM, Erwan David wrote:

Re: Unable to install Debian 7.5.0

2014-05-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 01:09:03PM +0530, Saptarshi Kapas wrote: Hi, I downloaded debian-7.5.0 from this following location http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/i386/iso-dvd/ . After download i burn this iso in dvd. After that when i am trying to install this to my local machine,

Re: systemd situation in Jesssie

2014-05-19 Thread Brian
On Mon 19 May 2014 at 13:04:51 +0400, Reco wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:30:45AM +0200, Erwan David wrote: And can you explain why hplip depends on systemd ? One reason IMO - PolicyKit. The better question is - why hplip (which is also used on print servers which have to X

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/19/2014 4:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 19 May 2014 03:50:38 Lee Winter wrote: Note that the _statutory_ penalty for a purposeful violation of copyright law is USD$150,000.00 plus fees and legal costs. Per violation. ***In the ***United States***. This is an international list.

Re: Iceweasel and DRM

2014-05-19 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 5/18/2014 11:15 PM, Richard Hector wrote: On 19/05/14 14:10, Jerry Stuckle wrote: But if I catch you violating my copyright, I will have everything you own. I don't think the law goes quite that far ... Maybe not if you're Bill Gates or Warren Buffet. But I can get a lot. More than

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