Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Eduard Bloch wrote: Hallo, * Nate Bargmann [Mon, Nov 17 2014, 07:46:48AM]: Since systemd hatters usually fail on the second task, the rhetorical arsenal is chosen accordingly (ad-hominem, trolling, misquoting, ...). Here is the crux of the problem in these discussions and that is the use of

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 17 nov 14, 07:29:00, Marty wrote: On 11/17/2014 01:13 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 16 nov 14, 13:22:54, Marty wrote: On 11/16/2014 11:50 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: In the later case, one just has to read: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Incompatibilities/ to get

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Brian
On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 19:54:48 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Le 17/11/2014 17:39, Brian a écrit : On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 15:29:21 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service scripts. I just went through the documentation, and in some cases, the source trees, for the

Re: Re: dm-crypt/LUKS performance

2014-11-17 Thread David Fuchs
Which Debian release? Kernel? Motherboard make/ model? CPU model? RAM module(s) make/ model? SSD exact model? Defaults? Customizations? My initial post was indeed a little light on details, so here's more info: I'm dealing with a pristine installation of Wheezy. It is running on a Supermicro

mdadm Problem

2014-11-17 Thread pascal
Hello, Im experiencing a problem with my Software Raid. It has always running without problems. Since this morning Im seeing this line in the /var/log/syslog: DeviceDisappeared event detected on md device /dev/md0 ls -l /dev/md0 ls: cannot access /dev/md0: No such file or directory the

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-17 Thread Erwan David
Le 16/11/2014 02:13, Ludovic Meyer a écrit : On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:05:49PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: Le 15/11/2014 20:24, Brian a écrit : On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-17 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 04:09:52PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/16/2014 at 02:51 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:28:35PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: [about the Linux kernel developers] They do, however, maintain their external interfaces - rigidly so, sometimes

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-17 Thread Reco
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:15:38PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:29:24PM +0300, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 03:48:34PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 09:41:23PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: As much as I dislike systemd, I'm

Re: [03/05] Embedded with systemd: systemd and weird triggers

2014-11-17 Thread Robert
On 17/11/2014 08:42, Andrei POPESCU wrote: with systemd I have to have waitforgps.sh waitforgps.service (Exec=waitforgps.sh) service.service (After=waitforgps.service) Is this really the best way? Maybe ExecStartPre= would help? See systemd.service(5). Oh yes, this is much better. I am

Re: mdadm Problem

2014-11-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 17/11/14 03:43 PM, pas...@denbekker.de wrote: Hello, Im experiencing a problem with my Software Raid. It has always running without problems. Since this morning Im seeing this line in the /var/log/syslog: DeviceDisappeared event detected on md device /dev/md0 ls -l /dev/md0 ls: cannot

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-17 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 08:44:06AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: One thing at a time. On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Ludovic Meyer ludo.v.me...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Your definition of mainstream is strange. What's strange about it? Do I need to provide a link to the dictionary for you

What backport of gnuplot should I use in Jessie?

2014-11-17 Thread Paul E Condon
I'm currently using Jessie on my personal, home computer, i.e. the one I use to ask for help on this list. I hope to keep it running with only brief intervals of outage. I also track some daily stock prices using gnuplot. I want to keep that going, generating a new plot every time I download new

Re: What backport of gnuplot should I use in Jessie?

2014-11-17 Thread Jochen Spieker
Paul E Condon: I also track some daily stock prices using gnuplot. I want to keep that going, generating a new plot every time I download new data. Of the several backports, I think one is intended to be the survivor when Jessie is actually released. Which one is that? Or is there a dark

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service scripts. I just went through the

Re: [01/05] Embedded with systemd: systemd and SIL

2014-11-17 Thread Robert
On 17/11/2014 14:12, Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: Why did you think that localhost sockets activation is not deterministic ? When local process use localhost sockets, there is no transmission media with risk of packet loss, alteration, random latency, or reordering. I was thinking more in

Re: Embedded with systemd

2014-11-17 Thread Robert
On 17/11/2014 15:14, Paul H wrote: My plan is that if I find myself depending on packages which no longer work under sysvinit-core, I'll rebuild those packages for myself as needed (and share the results, if that's helpful): I have to do this already now anyway, for example to use build

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service scripts. I just

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-17 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:41:14AM +0300, Reco wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:15:38PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:29:24PM +0300, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 03:48:34PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 09:41:23PM -0500,

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:34:47PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major applications I

Ati Radeon HD 7850 Problem on Debian 7 Stable

2014-11-17 Thread João Luís Correia de Medeiros
Dear sir or madam, I have an Ati Radeon 7850, and have tried using in Debian Stable. However, I am constantly greeted by X.org issues (in this case, it being unable to start, I'm guessing because of the kernel mod not being properly installed because I'm using an outdated kernel?) So, in

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:34:47PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:32:43AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Some people think sex should only be for procreation... Are you procreation or against it? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the

Re: Ati Radeon HD 7850 Problem on Debian 7 Stable

2014-11-17 Thread Joel Roth
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:49:51PM -0500, João Luís Correia de Medeiros wrote: Dear sir or madam, Same thing goes for my wireless card (I was unfortunate enough to get a realtek chip, it's an RTL8192 ), I install firmware-realtek from Debian ( And firmware-Linux-nonfree ) hoping it's all I

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-17 Thread Marty
On 11/17/2014 01:54 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 08:29:28PM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/16/2014 03:32 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Marty wrote: snip My point is that in a modular design nothing should be so entrenched as to be

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 18/11/14 12:54, Miles Fidelman wrote: snipped I left out sendmail, but I just checked, and guess what, no systemd service file in upstream). xy? Did you try Google? https://www.google.com/search?q=systemd+%2B%22sendmail.service%22ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=tchannel=sb What do they know?

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

2014-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ummm those are NOT systemd scripts shipped by the upstream sendmail developers. They ship sysvinit scripts, period. Which is my point. Major upstream application developers do not seem to be jumping on systemd. If anything, what I'm seeing are oh sht, I guess we should develop systemd

Re: iceweasel does not execute perl scripts

2014-11-17 Thread David Christensen
On 11/16/2014 10:01 PM, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Thanks for pointing out that Apache requires additional configuration. I initially looked at http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/intro/start_fast.html before posting to the list. But it was difficult to follow since the website tries to

What systemD lock-in leads to: An eventual lament. Please don't let it happen.

2014-11-17 Thread SystemBlues
Eventual lament (nylon string guitar): I was recording one evening and at some point wandered into a lament. http://youtu.be/PCJ-CWYoY9s I though many would feel the same, once comes in full lennart's reign. Please don't let it happen. (C) Gnu GPL v2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Systemd Blues

2014-11-17 Thread SystemBlues
Blues song about systemd. A friend of mine and I, we sat down one afternoon, and there was something bothering us. I for one couldn't get it out of my head. It was a feeling, and it wasn't good. It was the feeling of getting dicked down by SystemD. We put this feeling, the feeling we've never

Empires only fall to an enemy within.

2014-11-17 Thread SystemBlues
Free software worked great for a time, it was a movement on the upswing. Then it was noticed. Feminists appeared and lobbied to have those of unclean mind excluded from the free/opensource movement, only those who believed the correct thing were allowed to stay. Code nor contribution mattered

Re: What backport of gnuplot should I use in Jessie?

2014-11-17 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I also track some daily stock prices using gnuplot. I want to keep that going, generating a new plot every time I download new data. Jochen already answered your question about backports. But I am curious about

Qt version of gnuplot strange message

2014-11-17 Thread Paul E Condon
The newer version of gnuplot is issuing a warning that I have never seen before: Qt: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed Apparently Qt believes it has to 'authenticate' the

Not this again

2014-11-17 Thread golinux
UGH! Looks like Gregory Smith has returned with a new handle - SystemBlues. Does anybody read his swill? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Joerg Desch
Am Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:29:21 +0100 schrieb Erwan David: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? http://www.bandwidthco.com/whitepapers/os/linux/systemd/systemd%20for% 20Administrators.pdf Google leads me to this link... ;-) I don't know the state of this

Re: Strange problem with samba share, maybe dns related

2014-11-17 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:15:25 +0100 Cyril Alberts calbe...@afu.de wrote: Hello, today I realized a strange bug (maybe there is a reason for it but I dont know): All our employees have a directory/folder at our (wheezy-lts) server, which is for interchange. Everybody gets a folder with

Картридер Realtek device 5287

2014-11-17 Thread retaw
Здравствуйте! Модель ноутбука Acer Aspire v5-572g-73538g50akk. Какой модуль подойдет для картридера? Искал рецепты в гугле, но так и не понял какой лучше всего поставить: rts_bpp или с сайта realtek rts5229 (или еще один вариант rts_pstor тоже с сайта realtek). Может кто сталкивался? lspci:

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-17 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 07:31:33AM CET, Joerg Desch n...@jdesch.de said: Am Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:29:21 +0100 schrieb Erwan David: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? http://www.bandwidthco.com/whitepapers/os/linux/systemd/systemd%20for%

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