[HS] Disque dur en erreur impossible à partitionner/formater

2014-12-10 Thread Pierre TOUZEAU
J'ai récupéré un EeePC avec un DD (2.5 320Go) planté, je n'ai pu reprendre qu'une partie seulement des données de la propriétaire malheureuse et je suis autorisé à lui réinstaller une distrib Linux. Et là, les choses sont devenues difficiles : le DD n'était pas reconnu par la distrib en Live-USB.

Re: [HS] Disque dur en erreur impossible à partitionner/formater

2014-12-10 Thread maderios
On 12/10/2014 10:33 AM, Pierre TOUZEAU wrote: J'ai récupéré un EeePC avec un DD (2.5 320Go) planté, je n'ai pu reprendre qu'une partie seulement des données de la propriétaire Il est en train d'essayer de formater l'unique partition en Ext4, 10mn puis : Erreur d'entrée/sortie lors de

Re: HS_Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD

2014-12-10 Thread andre_debian
CP c...@alexetchris.com a écrit : en tant que particulier de l'Union Européenne, le fait de mettre un GNU/linux à la place de Windows n'annule absolument pas la garantie de votre appareil. En fait il faut comprendre qu'il y a 2 garanties : - la garantie commerciale, optionnelle, offerte par

Re: [HS] Disque dur en erreur impossible à partitionner/formater

2014-12-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Pierre TOUZEAU a écrit : Avant de vous indiquer les différentes actions entreprises, je vous demande une opinion : Le DD est mort ou, à votre avis, y a t'il quelque chose, même de désespéré que je puisse encore tenter ? Qu'affiche smartctl -a /dev/sdX ? Si c'est un SSD, tu peux essayer un

[HS] [Rip!] Disque dur en erreur impossible à partitionner/formater

2014-12-10 Thread Pierre TOUZEAU
Merci Pascal pour la commande que je ne connaissais pas... Cela finit de me convaincre que le disque (magnétique) est en très mauvaise forme... SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA. smartctl -a /dev/sdb smartctl

Re: [HS] [Rip!] Disque dur en erreur impossible à partitionner/formater

2014-12-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Pierre TOUZEAU a écrit : Merci Pascal pour la commande que je ne connaissais pas... Cela finit de me convaincre que le disque (magnétique) est en très mauvaise forme... ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate

Re: [HS] [Rip!] Disque dur en erreur impossible à partitionner/formater

2014-12-10 Thread Belaïd
bonjour, personellement j'ai jamais pu aller plus loin quand smartmontools me donne un result: FAILED au lieu de PASSED: SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA. a ta place je changerai de disque direct ! Le 10 déc.

Re: Resolu : sauvegarde fichiers

2014-12-10 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Bonjour, Le mardi 09 décembre 2014 à 20:16, moi-meme a écrit : solution parfaite : Les solutions les plus simples le sont souvent :-D je crée le fichier sur le NAS (dd), formattage, Montage en root : un chmod 777 me permet d'y accéder en user (pas propre mais provisoire et unique). Pas

Re: Resolu : sauvegarde fichiers

2014-12-10 Thread moi-meme
Le Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:20:01 +0100, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Tu n'as qu'à ajouter une ligne à ton fstab (dans mon exemple c'est une image ISO, d'où le système de fichiers « iso9660 ») : /home/sni/tmp/boot/sebian-netinstall-3.2.0-4-686-pae.iso /mnt/tmp iso9660

Re: Resolu : sauvegarde fichiers

2014-12-10 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le mercredi 10 décembre 2014 à 14:53, moi-meme a écrit : Plutôt qu'un « chmod 777 », tu pourrais faire « chown ton_ident » (pas besoin du « -R » puisque tu vas créer les fichiers en tant que toi-même - enfin, en tant que « moi-même » - enfin tu m'as compris :-D) si je ne fais pas de ligne

Re: Resolu : sauvegarde fichiers

2014-12-10 Thread moi-meme
Le Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:40:01 +0100, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Si tu fais tout en root, ce n'est pas nécessaire (mais ce n'est pas bien non plus). comme je ne l'ai pas dit c'est pour faire un upgrade complet de l'OS avec reformattage du DD. Pas suicidaire, je cherchais à faire des copies de

Re: Resolu : sauvegarde fichiers

2014-12-10 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Le mercredi 10 décembre 2014 à 15:47, moi-meme a écrit : comme je ne l'ai pas dit c'est pour faire un upgrade complet de l'OS avec reformattage du DD. Pas suicidaire, je cherchais à faire des copies de sauvegarde. Ah ben dans ce cas, tu aurais pu tout simplement faire une image complète de

Re: Resolu : sauvegarde fichiers

2014-12-10 Thread JF Straeten
Re, On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:38:19PM +0100, Sébastien NOBILI wrote: [...] Ah ben dans ce cas, tu aurais pu tout simplement faire une image complète de ton disque : dd if=/dev/sda of=/le/chemin/vers/le/nas/nom_fichier_image L'avantage c'est que tu as tout (y-compris Grub),

Re: [Résolu] Re: Iceweasel https://wiki.archlinux.org Connexion non certifiée

2014-12-10 Thread Nicolas
Le 07-12-2014 19:04, Johnny B a écrit : Si tu te documentes sur le ssl et les navigateurs tu comprendras l'absurdité de tes actions ;) Je ne vois pas bien en quoi l'insulte fait avancer les choses... On 12/07/2014 05:14 PM, Nicolas wrote: Le 07-12-2014 16:51, Pascal Hambourg a écrit :

Re: [Résolu] Re: Iceweasel https://wiki.archlinux.org Connexion non certifiée

2014-12-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Nicolas a écrit : Le 07-12-2014 19:04, Johnny B a écrit : Si tu te documentes sur le ssl et les navigateurs tu comprendras l'absurdité de tes actions ;) Je ne vois pas bien en quoi l'insulte fait avancer les choses... Ne pas confondre une critique (ce que tu fais est absurde), aussi mal

Re: [Résolu] Re: Iceweasel https://wiki.archlinux.org Connexion non certifiée

2014-12-10 Thread Nicolas
Le 10-12-2014 22:27, Pascal Hambourg a écrit : Nicolas a écrit : Le 07-12-2014 19:04, Johnny B a écrit : Si tu te documentes sur le ssl et les navigateurs tu comprendras l'absurdité de tes actions ;) Je ne vois pas bien en quoi l'insulte fait avancer les choses... Ne pas confondre une

Re: A Debian Jessie le debe de faltar muy poco para ser estable...

2014-12-10 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:21:10 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 09/12/14 a las 15:35, Camaleón escribió: (...) Por cierto, ¿sería conveniente dejar /etc/apt/sources.list ya así?: (...) ¿Cómo ya? :-) Si siempre has querido mantener Jessie cuando salga podrías haber dejado jessie en el

Re: devuan

2014-12-10 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:44:49 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: buenas tardes comunidad el siguiente hilo es nada mas para saber y discutir quienes han considerado devuan? La iniciativa es loable y confirma la falta de tacto con la que han actuado desde Debian a este respecto (me

Re: devuan

2014-12-10 Thread JESUS0414 .
Pues la verdad no entiendo mucho con respecto a lo acontecido en debian por systemd, sin embargo me parece mal el hecho se que no se tenga en cuenta al usuario final, creo que me pasaría a debían u otra distro que me permita realmente instalar lo que quiero, esperar a ver que sucede. El dic

Re: devuan

2014-12-10 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
yo actualmente ya estoy testiando freebsd! y me a gustado mucho! e tenido inconveniente con acpi y la configuración de teclado!!! y sus paquetes son muy actualizado lo único q extra;o realmente el el paper-flash de chrome pero de resto es fácil de configurar... y el otro punto negativo es la

Re: devuan

2014-12-10 Thread Carlos Nicolas
Son muchas las distribuciones con SystemD, no entiendo muy bien el porque este problema parece que solo se da con Debian, ArchLinux o Fedora por poner ejemplos usan este sistema de arranque desde hace tiempo. A mi me parece bien la existencia de este fork ya que viene a sumar una alternativa pero

Re: devuan

2014-12-10 Thread Felix Perez
El día 10 de diciembre de 2014, 12:20, Carlos Nicolas carlos.nico...@gmail.com escribió: Son muchas las distribuciones con SystemD, no entiendo muy bien el porque este problema parece que solo se da con Debian, ArchLinux o Fedora por poner ejemplos usan este sistema de arranque desde hace

Filtros en apache 2.4 en vhost

2014-12-10 Thread Maykel Franco
Hola buenas, quiero realizar un filtro en apache pero no se si realmente se puede. Por ejemplo esta url: https://www.example.com Quiero que si se le pasa un parámetro, devuelva la pagina bien: https://www.example.com/?embed=true Y si no se lo pasas o le pasas otro parámetro, que devuelva un

Fwd: devuan

2014-12-10 Thread Miguel Matos
Mi error... no vi que lo mandé al privado... estoy lalo... -- Mensaje reenviado -- De: Miguel Matos unefistano...@gmail.com Fecha: 10 de diciembre de 2014, 17:52 Asunto: Re: devuan Para: JESUS0414 . yeshua0...@gmail.com El día 10 de diciembre de 2014, 11:28, JESUS0414 .

Re: Filtros en apache 2.4 en vhost

2014-12-10 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez
El Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:30:57 +0100 Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió: Hola buenas, quiero realizar un filtro en apache pero no se si realmente se puede. Por ejemplo esta url: https://www.example.com Quiero que si se le pasa un parámetro, devuelva la pagina bien:

Re: Filtros en apache 2.4 en vhost

2014-12-10 Thread Maykel Franco
El 10/12/2014 23:48, Angel Claudio Alvarez an...@angel-alvarez.com.ar escribió: El Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:30:57 +0100 Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió: Hola buenas, quiero realizar un filtro en apache pero no se si realmente se puede. Por ejemplo esta url:

una de wheeze

2014-12-10 Thread ricky gutierrez
señores tengo un debian 7.7 , y cada que quiero instalar un paquete me sale : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) he googleado , pero no encuentro nada relacionado a wheeze -- rickygm http://gnuforever.homelinux.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: una de wheeze

2014-12-10 Thread Gustavo Castro
instalar con que, aptitude, dpkg, apt-get, apt, ya actualizaste? aptitude update aptitude full-upgrade no tienes dependencias rotas? El 10/12/14 a las #4, ricky gutierrez escribió: señores tengo un debian 7.7 , y cada que quiero instalar un paquete me sale : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg

Re: una de wheeze

2014-12-10 Thread Miguel Matos
2014-12-10 18:29 GMT-04:30 ricky gutierrez xserverli...@gmail.com: señores tengo un debian 7.7 , y cada que quiero instalar un paquete me sale : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) he googleado , pero no encuentro nada relacionado a wheeze -- rickygm

Re: una de wheeze

2014-12-10 Thread ricky gutierrez
Hola, no he actualizado el sistema, el error se me presenta cada que instalo con apt-get. On Wednesday, December 10, 2014, Gustavo Castro g...@esdebian.org wrote: instalar con que, aptitude, dpkg, apt-get, apt, ya actualizaste? aptitude update aptitude full-upgrade no tienes dependencias

Donde estudiar Debian para obtener la certificación LPI?

2014-12-10 Thread Gustavo Vega
Antes que nada perdón por usar la lista por asuntos de esta índole. Quiero hacer un curso de Linux y obtener la certificación LPIC-1 y LPIC-2. Estoy entre Linux College ( http://www.linuxcollege.com.ar/index.htm ) y CLA ( http://www.linuxinstitute.com.ar/curso/dlse ) El CLA es a distancia, pero

Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread Enio Climaco Sales Junior
Olá à todos. Estou usando o Jessie, e desde que ele entrou em freeze, o apt-cache tem dificuldade para encontrar pacotes que busco, principalmente como usuário comum. $ apt-cache show bluefish N: Impossível encontrar o pacote bluefish E: Nenhum pacote encontrado $ apt-cache search pt-br |wc

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread P. J.
Eu não uso apt-cache... Mas vc tentou dar um apt-get update para atualizar o cache ou algo do gênero e depois fazer a busca?? Enfim tenta com o aptitude search pacote ou aptitude show pacote depois de atualizar para ver se persiste o problema Em 10/12/14, Enio Climaco Sales

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread Flavio Menezes dos Reis
Eu tenho utilizado o Jessie há muito tempo e atualizado (apt-get update) praticamente todo dia sem problemas. Utilizo ftp.br.debian.org como fonte. Em 10 de dezembro de 2014 11:01, P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu não uso apt-cache... Mas vc tentou dar um apt-get update para atualizar o

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread Enio Climaco Sales Junior
Talvez o apt-get update não esteja atualizando o cache do sistema como deveria, veja a diferença: $ apt-cache search pt-br |wc -l 5 # apt-cache search pt-br |wc -l 17 # aptitude search pt-br |wc -l 13 O problema do aptitude é que teria de invocar os poderes da super-vaca toda vez que

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread Enio Climaco Sales Junior
Segundo nosso amigo traceroute, ftp.br.debian.org e debian.c3sl.ufpr.br nos levam ao mesmo endereço. O problema creio que seja no apt-get, pois após eu dar um aptitude search ... o apt-cache conseguiu achar o pacote bluefish, como exemplo. On 10-12-2014 11:16, Flavio Menezes dos Reis wrote: Eu

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread Fábio Rabelo
$ aptitude search bluefish E: Abrindo /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (13: Permissão negada) E: Abrindo /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (13: Permissão negada) E: A lista de fontes não pode ser lida. Esta menssagem é típica de alguém executando o comando apt sem

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread P. J.
Essa piada da vaca é pq vc fez alguma besteira no comando... e até aonde eu sei o aptitude search pacote pode usar para qq usuário Em 10/12/14, Fábio Rabelofa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.br escreveu: $ aptitude search bluefish E: Abrindo /etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (13: Permissão

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread Enio Climaco Sales Junior
Pois foi isso mesmo que eu disse: O problema do aptitude é que teria de invocar os poderes da super-vaca toda vez que tivesse de buscar um pacote. On 10-12-2014 11:48, Fábio Rabelo wrote: Esta menssagem é típica de alguém executando o comando apt sem possuir os direitos de root ! O Sr.

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread Enio Climaco Sales Junior
Não costumo usar o aptitude, mas ele só abre como root. Diferente do synaptic, que quando o uso como usuário comum me mostra a lista de todos os pacotes, o aptitude apenas me avisa que não pode ler o sources.list, por ter acesso negado, e abre em branco. Portanto, como usuário comum o

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes

2014-12-10 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:20:24PM -0200, Enio Climaco Sales Junior wrote: Não costumo usar o aptitude, mas ele só abre como root. você está enganado. O aptitude roda normalmente com usuário não-root pra consulta. o problema é que no *seu sistema* os arquivos que o aptitude precisa ler (mas não

Re: Apt-cache não atualiza lista de pacotes (RESOLVIDO)

2014-12-10 Thread Enio Climaco Sales Junior
Dando permissão de leitura do sources.list ao meu usuário, tudo corre bem, e sem o risco de fazer lambança, ótimo. No entanto, costumo usar o apt-get, pois quando pedia para instalar algum pacote, essa instalação costumava ser mais enxuta. Agora, por exemplo, para o apt-get meu sistema está

Nagios para Pequenos Ambientes

2014-12-10 Thread Rodrigo Cunha
Srs, Estou com uma duvida de layout para o meu servidor de monitoramento, estou implementando um projeto onde o nagios serviria para monitorar 20 servidores, o básico: Serviços, Espaço em disco, memoria consumida, load,Ping , Uptime e websites. Minha duvida é o que deveria levar em consideração na

Re: Configuração 3 monitores 2 placas de vídeo.

2014-12-10 Thread Paulo Roberto Vieira Brandão
Olá... Sua suspeita parece estar correta. Quando habilito apenas a placa *intel* no *xorg.conf* o GDM inicia já n'aquela tela de erro: *Oh no! Something has gone wrong.* *A problem has occurred and the system can't recover.* *Please log out and try again*. E um botão de logout. (que

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Tixy
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 11:05 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: Some mnths ago (not sure how many) the icons (running program indicators) that appear in the bottom (taskbar like ) panel changed from showing icons of the running program such as the emacs icon, xterm icon, vim icon etc. to just showing a

The status of the gnome bug in Debian 7 amd64

2014-12-10 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. What is the status of the bug in gnome in Debian 7 amd64, whereby, upon trying to reboot or shutdown the system, using the gnome classic interface, the system just goes rabid, and requires to be stopped by the forced disorderly shutdown, of holding don the power switch, until the system

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Frédéric Marchal
Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 08:05:49, tv.deb...@googlemail.com a écrit : On 10/12/2014 09:30, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Le Tuesday 09 December 2014 16:36:53, The Wanderer a écrit : On 12/09/2014 at 10:09 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal

Re: Testing needed for xorg-server security update

2014-12-10 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mer., 2014-12-10 at 06:56 +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: Hi, there's been a new release of xorg-server fixing multiple security vulnerabilities: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2014-December/002500.html The update is ready for Wheezy/stable and has been successfully tested

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Frédéric Marchal writes: Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 08:05:49, tv.deb...@googlemail.com a écrit : On 10/12/2014 09:30, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Le Tuesday 09 December 2014 16:36:53, The Wanderer a écrit : On 12/09/2014 at 10:09 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at

Re: Testing needed for xorg-server security update

2014-12-10 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Why not put these packages into experimental? It would make testing easier, at least for me. Thanks for your caring. -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Frédéric Marchal
Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 09:49:51, Gian Uberto Lauri a écrit : Frédéric Marchal writes: Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 08:05:49, tv.deb...@googlemail.com a écrit : On 10/12/2014 09:30, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Le Tuesday 09 December 2014 16:36:53, The Wanderer a écrit : On

Re: LVM RAID5 with missing disk?

2014-12-10 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Bob Proulx a écrit : Pascal Hambourg wrote: Bob Proulx a écrit : I favor RAID6's extra redundancy for more safety but I still use RAID1 too. RAID 1 can provide as much or more redundancy than RAID 6. RAID 1 on 3 disks provides as much redundancy as RAID 6. RAID 1 on 4 disks provides more

Re: Testing needed for xorg-server security update

2014-12-10 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
At second glance, I noticed these packages are for Wheezy/stable. So the experimental archive is not appropriate for these packages. These fixes seem to be not included in the sid packages yet? -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 18:48:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: What patterns did you see? What claims did I make? What a lot of Debian server admins think of systemd? A rhetorical statement. A lot of Debian server admins don't like systemd to put it mildly. They said so -- explicitly -- with

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ron
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:07:52 +0100 Frédéric Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: In the case of regularly failing power it would probably be more often inconvenient to run fsck at shutdown. Power failures are as likely to occur during boot, don't they? In my case no, more

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ron
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:49:51 +0100 Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote: fsck may take time. Relax, it needs that time. What if I do not have that time, and an un-interruptible fsck is launched automatically ? This regression must be got rid of. Cheers, Ron. --

Re: unable to install librecad in wheezy amd64

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 00:51:16, Tad Bak wrote: Hi, The subject says all: after issuing the command: apt-get install librecad I am getting: [...] The following packages have unmet dependencies: librecad : Depends: libqt4-help (= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed

Re: How to guess how to add the key of a repo (GPG, apt-key add,...)

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 10:22:28, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: Hi all I have to use a repo: http://open.iabsis.com/debian/ When adding it in my sources, apt complains about not having GPG key about it. Would you know how to guess the gpg invocation (server, key,...) in order to import it to

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 08:53:08, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that systemd took away a feature, and that it is systemd's business to bring it back. Mmm, I'll have to chime in here. The fact is, systemd never implemented this feature, while your statement

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 07:32:07, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since the only time I shut down my box is when there is a power cut, and I have to shut it down quickly, before the UPS gives up. So I certainly do not want an unwanted automatic fsck at that

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Frédéric Marchal writes: Usually on shutdown you run sync that flushes the cache to the disk, cleanly preparing the disk for unmounting. The mount command should 'run' sync automatically when unmounting. You run fsck on power up because the 'system does not remember' if it was

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI writes: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:49:51 +0100 Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote: fsck may take time. Relax, it needs that time. What if I do not have that time, Find it (this includes planning - of infrastructure and procedures if required). No other choices.

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:04:16, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Of course, there's also the option of completely disabling automatic fsck (there are several ways to do this), as I understand is the default for new enough filesystems. This would make more sense for me on systems with bad power (you'd

Purpose of fsck at boot (was: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?)

2014-12-10 Thread Frédéric Marchal
Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 11:10:52, Frédéric Marchal a écrit : Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 09:49:51, Gian Uberto Lauri a écrit : You run fsck on power up because the 'system does not remember' if it was shut-off cleanly or not. If the disks are clean and the last check is not too old,

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 07:32:07, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since the only time I shut down my box is when there is a power cut, and I have to shut it down quickly, before the UPS gives up. So I certainly do not

C++ compiler g++-4.9

2014-12-10 Thread Nick Mpallas
Hi guys, I am building a platform and I need to compile apache mesos from sources. The issue is that the guys the require support for specific c++11 features that in the 4.7 compiler currently supported by debian aren't there. Will the g++ compiler will be updated?We would like to use debian as

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Ma, 09 dec 14, 11:05:23, Harry Putnam wrote: Further, some indicators still show the regular icon. One I notice is iceweasel. I'd like the old behavior back but have no idea how to start digging into it. I'm guessing the icon is set

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: [...] Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com writes: [...] Tixy t...@yxit.co.uk writes: [...] Whoops, forgot the promised screen grab:

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now

RE: unable to install librecad in wheezy amd64

2014-12-10 Thread Tad Bak
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 00:51:16, Tad Bak wrote: Hi, The subject says all: after issuing the command: apt-get install librecad [...] Works here (i386). Did you 'apt-get update' recently? Kind regards, Andrei Yes, just earlier today there were a couple of security

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Tixy
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 07:25 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: Tixy t...@yxit.co.uk writes: A (possibly wild) speculation is there's some race condition where the task bar button gets created before the application sets it's icon and then doesn't get notice or act on the change. As an experiment I

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Christian Groessler
It seems the discussion revolves around methods to disable an automatic fsck when it is not wanted. It went away from an obvious solution (^C a running fsck) and suggests compilcated and/or convoluted workarounds, which have to be implemented or enabled proactively. I want to get back to the

Re: C++ compiler g++-4.9

2014-12-10 Thread Florent Peterschmitt
Le 2014-12-10 13:23, Nick Mpallas a écrit : Hi guys, I am building a platform and I need to compile apache mesos from sources. The issue is that the guys the require support for specific c++11 features that in the 4.7 compiler currently supported by debian aren't there. Will the g++

Re: C++ compiler g++-4.9

2014-12-10 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 01:23:31PM +0100, Nick Mpallas wrote: Hi guys, I am building a platform and I need to compile apache mesos from sources. The issue is that the guys the require support for specific c++11 features that in the 4.7 compiler currently supported by debian aren't

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Christian Groessler writes: To get the machine to boot again, I had to enter the BIOS, disable the network card there, Hmmm... you could have tried with a single user mode bootstrap, that could have avoided you going to the BIOS. Quite a dance instead of just typing ^C ^C could be

Re: C++ compiler g++-4.9

2014-12-10 Thread Maximiliano Curia
On 12/10/2014 01:23 PM, Nick Mpallas wrote: I am building a platform and I need to compile apache mesos from sources. The issue is that the guys the require support for specific c++11 features that in the 4.7 compiler currently supported by debian aren't there. Will the g++ compiler will be

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:41:51, Christian Groessler wrote: I want to get back to the root of the problem and claim, that I want to be able to interrupt *any* startup command, not just fsck. The debug shell could be (part of) the answer, but beware of the security risks. See

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 08:04:00, Tixy wrote: I started getting the same problem at a similar time with Jessie LXDE. Do your applications have the correct icons in the top left of their windows still? Mine does, it's just the taskbar which is wrong. A (possibly wild) speculation is there's some

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 10 Dec 2014 at 13:26:57 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:04:16, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Of course, there's also the option of completely disabling automatic fsck (there are several ways to do this), as I understand is the default for new enough filesystems. This

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 06:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 08:53:08, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that systemd took away a feature, and that it is systemd's business to bring it back. Mmm, I'll have to chime in here. The fact is, systemd

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 06:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 07:32:07, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since the only time I shut down my box is when there is a power cut, and I have to shut it down quickly, before the UPS gives up. So I certainly do

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough intervals, that I can never know if it was 4 months ago or 7 months ago, and neither can I remember which laptop/desktop has the delay set to 172 days vs 194 days vs 98 days vs ... Can't you write a small script to obviate

Problems with init scripts at boot after upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy

2014-12-10 Thread Bernhard Frühmesser
Hi, After upgrading from Sqeeze to Wheezy i have two problems with starting up services while booting. First the service xdm is now started long before other services (like dhcp, clamd, dansguardian...) are started. Before the upgrade xdm was the last service that was started which was ok.

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 09:42:43AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: On 12/10/2014 at 06:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 07:32:07, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since the only time I shut down my box is when there is a power cut, and I have

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 09:29:17, The Wanderer wrote: For such a user, this is not a systemd-centric question; it is a Debian-centric one, and the responsibility of having caused it and for fixing it is on Debian. Debian chose to switch to systemd, and that switch introduced this bug; it is

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
I want to get back to the root of the problem and claim, that I want to be able to interrupt *any* startup command, not just fsck. Oh, yes, aol-mode me too! /aol-mode! Systemd's boot seems to suffer a lot more from such problems. E.g. it waits for a long time before timeout if one of the

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
I want to get back to the root of the problem and claim, that I want to be able to interrupt *any* startup command, not just fsck. The debug shell could be (part of) the answer, You mean, they're probably going to answer by pointing us to the debug shell? Yes, probably. But it's again just a

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 09:42:43, The Wanderer wrote: Both of those latter situations are similarly time-limited, and even if there are heuristic solutions for the others, the last at least will generally not be something the computer can detect and identify. As said in my other message: 1.

Re: Installing a bootloader on a Mac Mini without OSX

2014-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
I've tried the i386 install (v7.7) CD multiple times and I've tried having it put GRUB on the MBR and on the partition and neither way resulted in a bootable install. I think this can be made to work with a bit of twiddling (e.g. using lilo or grub-legacy, or maybe tweaking of the

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 10:12 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 09:42:43AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: On 12/10/2014 at 06:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: That would be easy to implement, assuming you computer knows it's running on batteries. On batteries is easy enough, for a

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 10:14 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 09:29:17, The Wanderer wrote: For such a user, this is not a systemd-centric question; it is a Debian-centric one, and the responsibility of having caused it and for fixing it is on Debian. Debian chose to switch to systemd,

RE: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi Rick, Actually, THAT is the very reason we ask for the option to be able to cancel a running fsck. You can never predict EVERY situation when fsck would be run but needed to be avoided. Maybe I asked a non tech to simply turn on the machine, how technical does one need to be to do that.

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Marty
On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Choice??? Lisi The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
Hello, replying inline On 10/12/2014 14:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 08:53:08, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that systemd took away a feature, and that it is systemd's business to bring it back. Mmm, I'll have to chime in here. The fact

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Christian Groessler
On 12/10/14 14:10, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Christian Groessler writes: To get the machine to boot again, I had to enter the BIOS, disable the network card there, Hmmm... you could have tried with a single user mode bootstrap, that could have avoided you going to the BIOS. That was in

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Jape Person
On 12/10/2014 10:14 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: In my not so humble opinion, one should be using such a switch to re-examine one's setup, practices, etc. You might discover some interesting stuff. As far as I'm concerned: 1. I'll be looking into disabling periodic checks on all my ext4

Re: How to guess how to add the key of a repo (GPG, apt-key add,...)

2014-12-10 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 12/10/2014 02:19 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 10:22:28, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: Hi all I have to use a repo: http://open.iabsis.com/debian/ When adding it in my sources, apt complains about not having GPG key about it. Would you know how to guess the gpg invocation

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Rusi Mody
On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:10:05 PM UTC+5:30, Marty wrote: On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away.

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: About anachronism... you should read about what is the minitel*, and then, consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;) *: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel Anyone remember GTE Telemail?? :) Ric -- My

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/10/2014 12:53 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that It's gotten to the point that wholesale deleting of this topic is in order. :/ Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance,

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