Re: bash-complete errors

2015-07-26 Thread Dennis Wicks
Mark Neyhart wrote on 07/23/2015 02:10 PM: On 07/23/2015 08:45 AM, Dennis Wicks wrote: Greetings, Frequently when I run a command in a terminal window (Debian 8.1 Xfce) I get a bunch of errors. /bin/bash: _parse_usage: line 16: syntax error near unexpected token `(' This will happen if you

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread Pascal Obry
Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015 à 11:25 +0200, André a écrit : J'imagine que ce message (si utile) est lié au bureau, je suis sous tde-trinity. Et bien cela n'a rien à voir avec Debian. Avec GNOME j'ai un indicateur graphique, sous KDE je suppose que cela est aussi le cas. Donc fait un rapport de

Re: Unwanted application autostarting at login with XFCE

2015-07-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:32:36 +0200 Leonardo l...@matrix-leo.cz wrote: Hello Leonardo, Try: “rm -Rf .config/autostart/ Bad idea; That will remove everything from the directory. There may be things in there that Steve *wants* to autostart. Now, I'm sure Steve is smart enough to figure it out,

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 02:31:45 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: You can have a client, which is a daemon. ntp implements both, an NTP client and server. systemd-timesyncd only implements a client (running as daemon). chrony, fwiw, is another client (running as daemon). ntpdate is a client (triggered via

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 26 July 2015 13:17:02 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:54:35 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But that is for wheezy and earlier. systemd is, of course, different. Maybe the list should implement a rule, that people asking a question tell us whether they

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 07:53:45 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Vincent Lefevre writes: Unfortunately none of them is secure, I mean: some attacker won't tend to make the date on your machine incorrect because of lack of authentication. http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config-adv.htm See section

Re: Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Jean-Marc
Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:02:16 +0200 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net écrivait : On 2015-07-26 13:31:10 +0200, Jean-Marc wrote: Une petite question pratique : quelqu'un sait-il comment Debian garde l'horloge d'un PC à jour ? Par défaut, c'est dans systemd, mais je ne sais pas s'il est activé

[OT] ICEDOVE - sincronización y el espacio en disco

2015-07-26 Thread AlexLikeRock
ayuda https://support.mozilla.org/es/kb/sincronizacion-imap#w_utilizaciahn-del-espacio-en-disco Tal y como se muestra más arriba, los títulos de los mensajes seguirán siendo visibles de forma local en Thunderbird. Sin embargo, el cuerpo de los mensajes solo se descargará bajo petición y no

Re: [OT] ICEDOVE - sincronización y el espacio en disco

2015-07-26 Thread Jose Maldonado
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 El 26/07/15 a las 02:18, AlexLikeRock escribió: ¿donde puedo OBLIGAR a ICEDOVE que descargue titulos y CUERPOs desde el momento de syncronizar ? Creo que más clara no puede ser la explicación que te han dado en el enlace que tu mismo has

Re: Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Jean-Louis Giraud
Euh le paquet ntpdate ? Cordialement Jl Giraud Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 26 juil. 2015 à 13:31, Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be a écrit : salut la liste, Une petite question pratique : quelqu'un sait-il comment Debian garde l'horloge d'un PC à jour ? Sur mon portable, après une install'

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Brian
On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 14:57:02 +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: The assumption here is, that if the admin explicitly installed ntp, it should be preferred of systemd-timesyncd. See

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 26.07.2015 um 15:39 schrieb Vincent Lefevre: On 2015-07-26 14:25:20 +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 13:59:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 26 July 2015 13:38:45 Michael Biebl wrote: Yes. You actually need to do that. As long as ntp is installed, systemd-timesyncd won't

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread John Hasler
Systemd-timesyncd is not a replacement for Ntpd or Chrony. It is just an SNTP client similar to that used by Microsoft. It queries a single server and does no error checking or authentication. Basically, it replaces a cron job running Ntpdate. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI

Re: What package contains the time daemon? (CHRONY not approx vs ntp)

2015-07-26 Thread Paul E Condon
REPLACE approx with chrony in the following; Also years ago, and still today, there is approx which does a much more sophisticated analysis of the data stream of repeated queries of an ntp server. In addition to setting the local clock to the same time as the external reference clock as is

Re: cups bat la campagne....

2015-07-26 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 26/07/2015 00:28, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit : Le Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:33:02 +0200, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, J'ai une foule de problème avec

Re: cups bat la campagne....

2015-07-26 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 25/07/2015 22:20, Haricophile a écrit : Ça peut aussi être le pilote de l'imprimante qui bat la ville... Je ne résoud rien en disant ça mais ça vaudrait le coup de vérifier surtout dans le cas d'un pilote non libre. Quel moyen de vérification

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:54:35AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 26 July 2015 05:09:37 CaT wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:32:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: It is, once ntpdate has slammed the correct time into the system at boot time, then ntp takes over. Unless I

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:03:48AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 25.07.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Holger Schramm: Am 25.07.2015 um 20:52 schrieb John J. Boyer: I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its clock regularly. It gives a different time than my Windows box. What package

Re: Bug étrange NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-20 22:10:52 +0200, François Boisson wrote: Autre chose qui m'incite à penser à des interruptions non traitées: Mais pourquoi toutes les 2^22 secondes, et pourquoi pendant 89,06 secondes? En clair donc, il y eu pour la machine 314s d'interruption horloge entre chaque ligne,

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Ron
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:54:35 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But that is for wheezy and earlier. systemd is, of course, different. Maybe the list should implement a rule, that people asking a question tell us whether they are running systemd or not. Given that the advent of

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 26.07.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Chris Bannister: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:03:48AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 25.07.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Holger Schramm: Am 25.07.2015 um 20:52 schrieb John J. Boyer: I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its clock regularly. It gives a

Re: emacs -fn 10x20 ne marche pas

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-25 16:42:12 +0200, Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote: Il y a des chances que cette valeur soit écrasée par un autre paramètre, p.ex. custom-set-faces / default, modifié par le menu 'Options/Set Default Font…' ou l’utilisation de la fonte système (c.-à-d. GTK), menu 'Options/Use System

Re: grub2 imagen de fondo (SOLUCIONADO)

2015-07-26 Thread Ricardo Delgado
El día 26 de julio de 2015, 1:05, Jesus Gonzalez d...@jesusd.net escribió: El día 26 de julio de 2015, 1:19, Ricardo Delgado ricardodelgad...@gmail.com escribió: pues bueno, que estoy un poco mareado, instale un debian stretch y ahora quiero colocar una imagen de fondo en el inicio de grub (o

Re: emacs -fn 10x20 ne marche pas

2015-07-26 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 14:47:09 Vincent Lefevre a écrit : […] Ouais, une option de ligne de commande écrasée par un paramètre dans un fichier de conf… Chez moi, -fn semble avoir la priorité. Ben ni chez moi (Sid) ni chez l’OP (Jessie)… Dans le doute, essayer: emacs -Q -fn

Re: Debian Jessie click derecho y botones

2015-07-26 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:32:46 -0430, Juan Lavieri escribió: El 25/07/15 a las 09:11, Camaleón escibió: El Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:57:56 -0400, luis escribió: Tengo isntalado Debian Jessie 64 bit con Gnome ¿Y ya se inicia solo o aún tienes que empujarle? :-) 1. El caso es que en Archivos no

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 26 July 2015 15:14:03 Michael Biebl wrote: Am 26.07.2015 um 14:57 schrieb Lisi Reisz: Yes, on my one systemd box, I had a problem with which no-one could help me. I do not allege that systemd directly caused it, but that the advent of systemd caused a lot that had worked one

Re: OT Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread John Hasler
It may have been an X-Y question, but the answer to the question actually asked, was ntp. That is *an* answer. The full answer is that the Chrony and Ntp packages provide time daemons. Systemd-timesyncd provides an SNTP client which is probably adequate for most users. -- John Hasler

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Sven Hartge
Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de wrote: /lib/systemd/system/systemd-timesyncd.service.d/disable-with-time-daemon.conf That one is not present in Sid. Ah, -ENOCOFFEE, I meant of course That one is not present in Jessie. S° -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Unwanted application autostarting at login with XFCE

2015-07-26 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Stephen Powell wrote: Reposting, since the original post seems to have gotten lost in the mail. I've got an annoying problem. Every time I login to the XFCE desktop, an application starts that I don't want. (It happens to be abiword.) I close the application window and go on, but

Re: cups bat la campagne....

2015-07-26 Thread maderios
Le 26/07/2015 13:05, François Patte a écrit : Quel moyen de vérification sur le driver? Bonjour Revenir aux fondamentaux de Cups et éviter d'utiliser les nouvelles/belles interfaces, intermédiaires qui ne font que compliquer les choses. Dans un navigateur: http://localhost:631/ puis tu vas

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread John Hasler
anxiousmac writes: Years ago ... we didn't all have always-on connections. Chrony was developed to solve that problem. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Brian
On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 15:39:48 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2015-07-26 14:25:20 +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 13:59:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 26 July 2015 13:38:45 Michael Biebl wrote: Yes. You actually need to do that. As long as ntp is installed,

Re: grub2 imagen de fondo

2015-07-26 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:19:03 -0300, Ricardo Delgado escribió: pues bueno, que estoy un poco mareado, instale un debian stretch y ahora quiero colocar una imagen de fondo en el inicio de grub (o sea antes de escoger el SO) estuve siguiendo este link Antes del menú no hay nada, será la imagen

Re: Unwanted application autostarting at login with XFCE

2015-07-26 Thread Leonardo
Dne So 25. července 2015 21:49:17, Stephen Powell napsal(a): Reposting, since the original post seems to have gotten lost in the mail. I've got an annoying problem. Every time I login to the XFCE desktop, an application starts that I don't want. (It happens to be abiword.) I close the

Re: Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 13:31:10 Jean-Marc a écrit : salut la liste, ’jour, Une petite question pratique : quelqu'un sait-il comment Debian garde l'horloge d'un PC à jour ? Sur mon portable, après une install' et un passage en testing, je viens de me rendre compte qu'aucun client ou

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Salut, Oui ça dépend du bureau. Ici j'ai mate-power-management (je ne sais pas son degré de dépendance de MATE). Faudrait voir si apt-cache search battery notification (ou power management) te donne des outils indépendants d'un bureau. Cordialement, Le 26/07/2015 11:25, André a écrit :

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:38:45PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 26.07.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Chris Bannister: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:03:48AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: If you are using systemd, look for timedatectl. Settings are at /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf In most cases,

Re: Ne se met plus en veille depuis dernière MAJ

2015-07-26 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 14:55:21 Damien TOURDE a écrit : Bonjour, ’jour, Désolé, en effet c'était illisible. Après un passage dans emacs pour virer les dates voilà le diff : Ok, j’aurais préféré un diff -U0 mais c’est quand même plus lisible ;oP Bon, perso, je n’y vois rien de

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Brian
On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 13:59:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 26 July 2015 13:38:45 Michael Biebl wrote: Yes. You actually need to do that. As long as ntp is installed, systemd-timesyncd won't start. The assumption here is, that if the admin explicitly installed ntp, it should be

OT Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Michael Biebl wrote: Yes. You actually need to do that. As long as ntp is installed, systemd-timesyncd won't start. I'd like to suggest that if I were a vindictive, morally shallow person I would be rushing back into this thread to point out: Oh look! Another reason why

Re: OT Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 26 July 2015 14:52:56 Bob Bernstein wrote: Another reason why the correct answer to the OP's question is NOT ntp. The question was: What package contains the time daemon? It may have been an X-Y question, but the answer to the question actually asked, was ntp. Lisi -- To

Re: Ne se met plus en veille depuis dernière MAJ

2015-07-26 Thread Damien TOURDE
Merci, Je vais voir ça, je ne me suis jamais penché dessus ;-) Si je trouve quelque chose je posterais ça en réponse. Le 26/07/2015 15:25, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 14:55:21 Damien TOURDE a écrit : Bonjour, ’jour, Désolé, en effet c'était illisible. Après un

Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread André
Bonjour, Est-il possible sous Debian (et autres Linux) d'avoir un message graphique prévenant que la batterie sera bientôt déchargée. J'imagine que ce message (si utile) est lié au bureau, je suis sous tde-trinity. C'est très pénible de voir son PC portable s'éteindre d'un coup en plein

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Sven Hartge
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 26.07.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Chris Bannister: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:03:48AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 25.07.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Holger Schramm: Am 25.07.2015 um 20:52 schrieb John J. Boyer: I am wondering if my Jessie system is updating its

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 26 July 2015 13:38:45 Michael Biebl wrote: Am 26.07.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Chris Bannister: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:03:48AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 25.07.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Holger Schramm: Am 25.07.2015 um 20:52 schrieb John J. Boyer: I am wondering if my Jessie

Re: Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 15:05:04 +0200, Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote: Et pour les portables, il serait plutôt logique d’utiliser ntpdate (vu que : 1. la connexion à un serveur NTP précis n’est pas assurée ; 2. la machine est souvent éteinte ou en veille). ntpdate est obsolète. Mais avec une horloge RTC,

Re: emacs -fn 10x20 ne marche pas

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 15:13:12 +0200, Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote: Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 14:47:09 Vincent Lefevre a écrit : […] Ouais, une option de ligne de commande écrasée par un paramètre dans un fichier de conf… Chez moi, -fn semble avoir la priorité. Ben ni chez moi (Sid) ni

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 26.07.2015 um 14:57 schrieb Lisi Reisz: Yes, on my one systemd box, I had a problem with which no-one could help me. I do not allege that systemd directly caused it, but that the advent of systemd caused a lot that had worked one way before, to have to work differently now; that there

Re: cups bat la campagne....

2015-07-26 Thread maderios
Le 26/07/2015 14:34, François Patte a écrit : -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 26/07/2015 13:39, maderios a écrit : Le 26/07/2015 13:05, François Patte a écrit : Quel moyen de vérification sur le driver? Bonjour Revenir aux fondamentaux de Cups et éviter d'utiliser les

Re: What package contains the time daemon? (approx vs ntp)

2015-07-26 Thread Nicolas George
L'octidi 8 thermidor, an CCXXIII, Paul E Condon a écrit : Also years ago, and still today, there is chrony which does a much more sophisticated analysis of the data stream of repeated queries of an ntp server. In addition to setting the local clock to the same time as the external reference

Re: What package contains the time daemon? (approx vs ntp)

2015-07-26 Thread John Hasler
Paul E Condon writes: Also years ago, and still today, there is approx which does a much more sophisticated analysis of the data stream of repeated queries of an ntp server. In addition to setting the local clock to the same time as the external reference clock as is done by both ntp and

Re: Browser with weak ciphers in testing ?

2015-07-26 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:03:59 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: To access some appliances/devices whose https console only knows weak ciphers (but on a protected network), I need a browser accepting those weak ciphers (less I go to each device with a serial cable to enable the clear

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread anxiousmac
On Sunday, 26 July 2015 05:30:04 UTC+1, CaT wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:32:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: It is, once ntpdate has slammed the correct time into the system at boot time, then ntp takes over. Unless I misremember, you don't even need ntpdate. Starting ntp with -g

Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Jean-Marc
salut la liste, Une petite question pratique : quelqu'un sait-il comment Debian garde l'horloge d'un PC à jour ? Sur mon portable, après une install' et un passage en testing, je viens de me rendre compte qu'aucun client ou démon NTP n'est installé. Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be

Re: cups bat la campagne....

2015-07-26 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 26/07/2015 13:39, maderios a écrit : Le 26/07/2015 13:05, François Patte a écrit : Quel moyen de vérification sur le driver? Bonjour Revenir aux fondamentaux de Cups et éviter d'utiliser les nouvelles/belles interfaces, intermédiaires qui ne

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread Jean-Louis Giraud
Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 26 juil. 2015 à 11:40, Pascal Obry pas...@obry.net a écrit : Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015 à 11:25 +0200, André a écrit : J'imagine que ce message (si utile) est lié au bureau, je suis sous tde-trinity. Et bien cela n'a rien à voir avec Debian. Avec GNOME j'ai un

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread John Hasler
Vincent Lefevre writes: Unfortunately none of them is secure, I mean: some attacker won't tend to make the date on your machine incorrect because of lack of authentication. http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config-adv.htm See section 6.6.2, Authentication Even without it, though, sucessfully

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 14:25:20 +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 13:59:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 26 July 2015 13:38:45 Michael Biebl wrote: Yes. You actually need to do that. As long as ntp is installed, systemd-timesyncd won't start. The assumption here is, that if the

Re: [OT] ICEDOVE - sincronización y el espacio en disco

2015-07-26 Thread AlexLikeRock
¿donde puedo OBLIGAR a ICEDOVE que descargue titulos y CUERPOs desde el momento de syncronizar ? Creo que más clara no puede ser la explicación que te han dado en el enlace que tu mismo has pasado, debes habilitar la opciones que allí te han dado, ese comportamiento que comentas esta

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config-adv.htm See section 6.6.2, Authentication Vincent Lefevre writes: I don't see how this can work with public NTP servers! If you need authentication you need to use trusted servers. http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/auth-ntp.cfm

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:19:51 +0200 André andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit: Le sujet a été longuement débattu, sous Windows-8 la batterie tient 8 heures, et largement moins de la moitié sous Debian Jessie 64 bits. Même machine? Même utilisation? J'en doute fort! Pascal Obry /

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread John Hasler
Vincent Lefevre writes: I want to be able to set the time if for some reason the clock is completely incorrect (this occurred from time to time in the past). Use your wristwatch. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: What package contains the time daemon? (approx vs ntp)

2015-07-26 Thread Dennis Wicks
Paul E Condon wrote on 07/26/2015 10:14 AM: On 20150726_0252-0700, anxious...@gmail.com wrote: Also years ago, and still today, there is approx which does a much more sophisticated analysis of the data stream of repeated queries of an ntp server. In addition to setting the local clock to the

Re: emacs -fn 10x20 ne marche pas

2015-07-26 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 15:30:35 Vincent Lefevre a écrit : […] Ah oui, c'est le .emacs qui a la priorité. En revanche, si la fonte est spécifiée dans un fichier de conf de resources X (ce que je fais), le -fn est pris en compte. Le -fn, c’est comme le -geometry et Cie, ce sont les

Re: Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 20:39:52 +0200, Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote: Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 20:08:42 Vincent Lefevre a écrit : ntpd permet plus de sécurité en temps normal, sans gros saut de l'horloge. Ben, quand tu réveilles ta machine après 10h de dodo, t’as plutôt envie qu’elle soit à

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread maderios
Le 26/07/2015 20:36, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Je suis d'accord avec toi. L'autonomie sous Debian est mauvaise comparée à Windows (7 dans mon cas). Pas trop d'accord. Il faudrait comparer avec le même nombre d'applications/logiciels lancés et les mêmes applications ou services rendus, ce qui

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sun, 26 Jul 2015 21:22:57 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le 26/07/2015 20:36, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Je suis d'accord avec toi. L'autonomie sous Debian est mauvaise comparée à Windows (7 dans mon cas). Pas trop d'accord. Il faudrait comparer avec le même nombre

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread Christophe
Hello, Le 26/07/2015 11:40, Pascal Obry a écrit : Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015 à 11:25 +0200, André a écrit : Le sujet a été longuement débattu, sous Windows-8 la batterie tient 8 heures, et largement moins de la moitié sous Debian Jessie 64 bits. Même machine? Même utilisation? J'en doute

RE: cups/cups-browsed: only advertise online network printers

2015-07-26 Thread Tuxo Holic
On Sat 25 Jul 2015 at 11:30:30 +0100, Brian wrote: Please stop cups-browsed on the client and post the output of 'lpstat -t'. systemctl stop cups-browsed.service systemctl status cups-browsed.service ● cups-browsed.service - Make remote CUPS printers available locally    Loaded: loaded

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Gary Dale
On 26/07/15 08:57 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 26 July 2015 13:17:02 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:54:35 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But that is for wheezy and earlier. systemd is, of course, different. Maybe the list should implement a rule, that people

Re: Debian Jessie click derecho y botones

2015-07-26 Thread BasaBuru
El Domingo, 26 de julio de 2015 13:10:43 Camaleón escribió: Mira que lo tengo instalado (gnome-shell) desde hace años y a día de hoy aún no sé por donde cogerlo, creo que lo voy a dejar por imposible. Pues no es por se metijo. ;=) Pero quizás sea un buen momento para probar el escritorio

Re: Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Jean-Marc
Sun, 26 Jul 2015 21:22:35 +0200 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net écrivait : On 2015-07-26 20:39:52 +0200, Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote: Je m'en voudrais de ne pas vous remercier tous les deux pour ce fil instructif. Merci donc. Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be pgpAOAVAP_tvT.pgp Description: PGP

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 15:27:50 -0500, John Hasler wrote: Vincent Lefevre writes: I want to be able to set the time if for some reason the clock is completely incorrect (this occurred from time to time in the past). Use your wristwatch. This may be too late. The machine doesn't warn when the date

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 10:06:05 -0500, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config-adv.htm See section 6.6.2, Authentication Vincent Lefevre writes: I don't see how this can work with public NTP servers! Actually there's another authentication system: Autokey, which is

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Ron
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:27:50 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: I want to be able to set the time if for some reason the clock is completely incorrect (this occurred from time to time in the past). Use your wristwatch. Or better, your cellphone or GPS receiver. Cheers,

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread André
On Sunday 26 July 2015 21:42:09 Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sun, 26 Jul 2015 21:22:57 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le 26/07/2015 20:36, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Je suis d'accord avec toi. L'autonomie sous Debian est mauvaise comparée à Windows (7 dans mon cas). Pas trop

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 26 July 2015 05:09:37 CaT wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:32:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: It is, once ntpdate has slammed the correct time into the system at boot time, then ntp takes over. Unless I misremember, you don't even need ntpdate. Starting ntp with -g will do just

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread John Hasler
CaT writes: Unless I misremember, you don't even need ntpdate. Starting ntp with -g will do just fine (and it's the default config - I add -N). I don't even have ntpdate installed. Yes. Ntpdate is obsolete. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: grub2 imagen de fondo

2015-07-26 Thread Ricardo Delgado
2015-07-26 2:01 GMT-03:00 AlexLikeRock alexliker...@gmail.com: respeta las dimenciones X piceles de alto y X pixeles de ancho y la la profundida de colores, es decir 8 colores, 16 colores, 24 colores, 8 bits 32 bits de colores, etc. -- **

Re: Ne se met plus en veille depuis dernière MAJ

2015-07-26 Thread Damien TOURDE
Bonjour, Désolé, en effet c'était illisible. Après un passage dans emacs pour virer les dates voilà le diff : Je vais jeter un coup d'oeuil au log d'aptitude aussi. damien@MBP-Debian-Damien:~/Documents/temp/diffsuspend$ diff -b --suppress-common-lines ok notok 4d3 IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP):

Re: Browser with weak ciphers in testing ?

2015-07-26 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:03:59 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: To access some appliances/devices whose https console only knows weak ciphers (but on a protected network), I need a browser accepting those weak ciphers (less I go to each device with a serial cable to enable the

Re: What package contains the time daemon? (approx vs ntp)

2015-07-26 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20150726_0252-0700, anxious...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, 26 July 2015 05:30:04 UTC+1, CaT wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:32:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: It is, once ntpdate has slammed the correct time into the system at boot time, then ntp takes over. Unless I

Re: OT Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Gary Dale
On 26/07/15 10:45 AM, John Hasler wrote: It may have been an X-Y question, but the answer to the question actually asked, was ntp. That is *an* answer. The full answer is that the Chrony and Ntp packages provide time daemons. Systemd-timesyncd provides an SNTP client which is probably

Re: Openvpn com 2 links (um para VPN outro para navegar)

2015-07-26 Thread Bruno Lessa
Boa tarde. Presumindo que você utilize squid, você poderá setar o gateway da rede lan direto no proxy por meio do parâmetro tcp_outgoing_address como saída para internet. E utilizar as tableas do iproute2 para separar o tráfego para cada link que você possui e evitar flooding entre as duas

Re: Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 19:02:39 +0200, Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote: Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 15:19:48 Vincent Lefevre a écrit : […] ntpdate est obsolète. Tu peux être plus précis ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntpdate avec la référence: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/DeprecatingNtpdate

Icedove does not open messages on double-click??

2015-07-26 Thread Dennis Wicks
Greetings; I am running fairly vanilla Jessie 8.1 and now Icedove does not open messages on double-click, only on enter, at least 90% of the time anyway. And F does not go to the next message unless the current one was opened with double-click. Any hints, tips, etc.? TIA! Dennis -- To

Re: Debian vs NTP

2015-07-26 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015, 15:19:48 Vincent Lefevre a écrit : […] ntpdate est obsolète. Tu peux être plus précis ? (Il me semble que ntpdate est censé être plus simple que ntpd. Et il me semble aussi que ntpd -q avait des problèmes pour faire le boulot de ntpdate.) (S’il s’agit de

Re: What package contains the time daemon? (approx vs ntp)

2015-07-26 Thread Gary Dale
On 26/07/15 12:47 PM, Dennis Wicks wrote: Paul E Condon wrote on 07/26/2015 10:14 AM: On 20150726_0252-0700, anxious...@gmail.com wrote: Also years ago, and still today, there is approx which does a much more sophisticated analysis of the data stream of repeated queries of an ntp server. In

Re: Message batterie bientôt déchargée

2015-07-26 Thread André
On Sunday 26 July 2015 11:40:03 Pascal Obry wrote: Le dimanche 26 juillet 2015 à 11:25 +0200, André a écrit : J'imagine que ce message (si utile) est lié au bureau, je suis sous tde-trinity. Et bien cela n'a rien à voir avec Debian. Avec GNOME j'ai un indicateur graphique, sous KDE je

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Mart van de Wege
Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net writes: I haven't had any significant problems with systemd but then I waited several months before upgrading my servers to jessie and before upgrading my workstation to stretch. Maybe it's because of MS-DO but I've learned to wait for the .1 release before

Re: cups/cups-browsed: only advertise online network printers

2015-07-26 Thread Brian
On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 17:54:50 +0200, Tuxo Holic wrote: On Sat 25 Jul 2015 at 11:30:30 +0100, Brian wrote: Please stop cups-browsed on the client and post the output of 'lpstat -t'. systemctl stop cups-browsed.service systemctl status cups-browsed.service ● cups-browsed.service - Make

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-07-26 14:45:57 +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 26 Jul 2015 at 15:39:48 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: IMHO, it is bad to be forced to uninstall a package just to make some other package work. Like not being able to have postfix/exim4 and cups/lprng on a machine at the same time, you

[SOLVED -- sort of] Unwanted application autostarting at login with XFCE

2015-07-26 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 03:32:36 -0400 (EDT), Leonardo l...@matrix-leo.cz wrote: Try: “rm -Rf .config/autostart/ That directory contains only one file, called xfce4-notes-autostart.desktop but it contains no references to abiword. The commands grep -r abiword ~|less and grep -r

Re: OT Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: The question was: What package contains the time daemon? It may have been an X-Y question, but the answer to the question actually asked, was ntp. You are (again) stunningly correct Lisi. I don't seem to have been able to stay focussed on the

Re: OT Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Gary Dale wrote: Much of this discussion reminds me of an old Monty Python skit ending with the line Lucky we didn't say anything about the dirty knife. :) I don't recall that bit, but then NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION! Recently I checked out the price of

Help - 13-year Debian veteran can't install Jessie

2015-07-26 Thread David Bruce
I've installed Debian dozens of times since 2002 and I have never run into anything approaching the headaches I am experiencing trying to get the current stable Debian onto a newly rebuilt machine. The box is a straightforward amd64 setup built from a bundle from Newegg. It has onboard Realtek

Re: alpine mail client with gmx.net as mail provider

2015-07-26 Thread David Wright
Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): David Wright wrote: Port 465 should be encrypted straightaway, I get a connection to the SMTP server directly by this line in ~/.pinerc: smtp-server=mail.gmx.net/ssl/user=my_user...@gmx.net I assume that you're telling me that this does not

Re: OT Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 07/26/2015 at 08:51 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:02:07PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: Much of this discussion reminds me of an old Monty Python skit ending with the line Lucky we didn't say anything about the dirty knife. :) IIRC, it was a dirty fork. No - they

Re: OT Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 09:34:46PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: On 07/26/2015 at 08:51 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:02:07PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote: Much of this discussion reminds me of an old Monty Python skit ending with the line Lucky we didn't say anything

Re: What package contains the time daemon?

2015-07-26 Thread Gary Dale
On 26/07/15 02:44 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote: Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net writes: I haven't had any significant problems with systemd but then I waited several months before upgrading my servers to jessie and before upgrading my workstation to stretch. Maybe it's because of MS-DO but I've

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