Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread mick crane
On 2020-10-26 00:07, Patrick Bartek wrote: I have Dillo configured NOT to show images initially. Do that for security. Reloading page usually brings them up. It will follow some links to other pages, but for viewing purposes only. One cannot interact and transmit data as I need to. I have to

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread John Conover
Patrick Bartek writes: > On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 14:07:00 -0500 > John Hasler wrote: > > > Patrick Bartek writes: > > > But I need to view the entire email: images, graphics, etc. and be > > > able to interact with all the links, etc. and not just view them. > > > Want to get away from having to

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Dan Ritter
Carl Fink wrote: > On 10/25/20 9:17 PM, John Hasler wrote: > > Carl writes: > > > I don't remember ever getting an emailed form that was anything but a > > > link to a web page. > > I think that may be what he means. > > Can't be. He refers to having to log into a mail account > in the browser.

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Carl Fink
On 10/25/20 9:17 PM, John Hasler wrote: Carl writes: I don't remember ever getting an emailed form that was anything but a link to a web page. I think that may be what he means. Can't be. He refers to having to log into a mail account in the browser. That is never required for these mailed

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread John Hasler
Carl writes: > I don't remember ever getting an emailed form that was anything but a > link to a web page. I think that may be what he means. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Carl Fink
On 10/25/20 8:28 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I'm not referring to viewing HTML emails. I already can do that in Claws-Mail using its Dillo plugin. I'm talking about filling in forms, etc. that are part of the HTML email and sending just the data without "replying" in the normal sense. This is

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 14:07:00 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Patrick Bartek writes: > > But I need to view the entire email: images, graphics, etc. and be > > able to interact with all the links, etc. and not just view them. > > Want to get away from having to login to the mail account with a > >

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 11:42:20 -0700 (PDT) didier gaumet wrote: > Le dimanche 25 octobre 2020 à 19:00:08 UTC+1, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > > > Already have Dillo set up, but I need more than a viewer. I want a > > client that handles HTML as well as plain text emails, so I don't > > have to

Re: aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-25 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 17:53:16 -0500 "R. Ramesh" wrote: (...) > Nothing fancy. Installed debian 10 from USB and added multi-media and > installed mythfrontend. That is all I have done. > This is a NUC Pentium (N3700) box and not fancy at all.  Here is my > kernel (...) > My

Re: Re: aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-25 Thread R. Ramesh
To begin with, which distribution is it? In general, with Stable, it pretty much doesn't matter which tool is used. The kind of problems you have indicate Unstable or Testing. First, apt is pretty much apt-get, with different syntax and a few extra features. Aptitude can generally do a better

nftables not user friendly

2020-10-25 Thread Ross Boylan
OK, this is mostly a rant, but after spending several days with nft I'm pretty frustrated. Let me start with this: root@barley:~# /usr/sbin/nft --check -f /etc/network/ban root@barley:~# echo $? 1 1. The command to see if the file is OK does nothing but produce a return code. Shouldn't a program

Re: I take it back

2020-10-25 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 17:22:34 -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > If you install a package that is removed or absent from a subsequent > release and you then upgrade, the package will remain installed. The > only exception is if another package during the upgrade conflicts with > the obsolete

Re: I take it back

2020-10-25 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 02:52:41PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:25:12 -0400 > Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > It helps if you use the correct command to answer the question at > > hand: > > > > rmadison -u debian -a source gksu > > gksu | 2.0.2-9 |

Strange problem after upgrading from Buster to testing.

2020-10-25 Thread matthew dyer
Hi all, I am wondering if this should be sent to the Debian accessibility list, but any way, I am in the prosses of installing Debian buster, but wanted to upgrade to testing. I have a very strange problem happens where the system will not boot, so tried to install the bulzie testing with the

Re: I take it back

2020-10-25 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:25:12 -0400 Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > It helps if you use the correct command to answer the question at > hand: > > rmadison -u debian -a source gksu > gksu | 2.0.2-9 | oldoldstable | source > gksu | 2.0.2-9 | oldstable| source > > Tomas'

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:31:16 + "Jeremy Nicoll" wrote: > I think there's a difference between a mail which has an html copy of > plain text, where images etc that might be required for the html page > can be fetched from servers - in that case a browser will be able to > display the page

Re: aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-25 Thread Joe
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 12:12:19 -0500 Ram Ramesh wrote: > Hi, > >   I am trying to upgrade the current setup and I am unable to > understand the differences between aptitude vs. apt-get usage. > When I do apt-get -s upgrade, I get > > myth2 [rramesh] 100 > sudo apt-get -s upgrade > > Reading

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020, at 20:18, Charles Curley wrote: > Indeed, same as claws-mail. M. Bartek is using claws-mail now, and > wants to get away from it because he doesn't want to log in to the mail > account? I'm not following, either. I think there's a difference between a mail which has an html

Re: I take it back

2020-10-25 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 02:07:15PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 10:58:33 +0100 > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > I think gksudo and cousins (among them the KDE flavour whose name I > > keep forgetting) are dead, they don't exist in Debian since buster. > > Don't tell us what

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 14:07:00 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Patrick Bartek writes: > > But I need to view the entire email: images, graphics, etc. and be > > able to interact with all the links, etc. and not just view them. > > Want to get away from having to login to the mail account with a > >

Re: I take it back

2020-10-25 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 10:58:33 +0100 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I think gksudo and cousins (among them the KDE flavour whose name I > keep forgetting) are dead, they don't exist in Debian since buster. Don't tell us what you think, report facts. And show your data. E.g.: charles@hawk:~$ apt-cache

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-25 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:59:05 +0100 Jan Foniok wrote: > > On 18 Oct 2020, at 04:06, Weaver wrote: > Just for the record, I'm actually sick of you and Leslie Rhorer. Hear, hear. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread 황병희
> Any suggestions? Surprisingly, Gnus handle very well HTML emails. Sincerely, Gnus fan Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _和合團結_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread John Hasler
Patrick Bartek writes: > But I need to view the entire email: images, graphics, etc. and be > able to interact with all the links, etc. and not just view them. > Want to get away from having to login to the mail account with a > browser to do so. So, EMACS won't work for me. Log in to what mail

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread didier gaumet
Le dimanche 25 octobre 2020 à 19:00:08 UTC+1, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > Already have Dillo set up, but I need more than a viewer. I want a > client that handles HTML as well as plain text emails, so I don't have > to login into the mail account via a browser to interact with the email. I just

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 13:10:04 +0100 Michael wrote: > On Sunday, October 25, 2020 1:04:00 AM CEST, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Any suggestions? > > since this is a debian user mailinglist, my answer will be slightly > off topic. > > but i use 'trojita' (https://trojita.flaska.net) as a pure

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 01:51:43 -0700 (PDT) didier gaumet wrote: > Le dimanche 25 octobre 2020 à 01:10:06 UTC+2, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > > Hi! All, > > > > Looking for recommendations for a lightweight email client that > > will handle HTML as well as plain text to replace Claws-Mail. Have > >

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 07:19:28 +0200 Teemu Likonen wrote: > * 2020-10-24 16:04:00-07, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Looking for recommendations for a lightweight email client that will > > handle HTML as well as plain text to replace Claws-Mail. Have been > > using Claws-Mail for years and before

Re: Stretch => Buster: obsolete packages

2020-10-25 Thread Jesper Dybdal
On 2020-10-23 18:02, Clive Standbridge wrote: Can I expect that they will also survive the upgrade to Buster? Yes. I have done that, and the old squirrelmail package remained installed in buster. I don't remember any special effort to keep it, but it was a while ago. You'd better make sure

aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-25 Thread Ram Ramesh
Hi,   I am trying to upgrade the current setup and I am unable to understand the differences between aptitude vs. apt-get usage. When I do apt-get -s upgrade, I get myth2 [rramesh] 100 > sudo apt-get -s upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 05:55:02 +0100 Oliver Schoede wrote: > On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 16:04:00 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > >Looking for recommendations for a lightweight email client that will > >handle HTML as well as plain text to replace Claws-Mail. Have been > >using Claws-Mail for

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 21:52:54 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 24 October 2020 19:04:00 Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Hi! All, > > > > Looking for recommendations for a lightweight email client that will > > handle HTML as well as plain text to replace Claws-Mail. Have been > > using

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 19:50:14 -0500 Leslie Rhorer wrote: > On 10/24/2020 6:04 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > Hi! All, > > > > Looking for recommendations for a lightweight email client that will > > handle HTML as well as plain text > > I want to know that, myself. > > > deal with

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 17:22:35 +1100 Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 25/10/20 12:52 pm, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Both Thunderbird and Balsa have been rejected as T'bird is a > > behemoth and no longer in development; > > > Um. Why then am I getting new versions every few weeks? > Currently

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread David Wright
On Sun 25 Oct 2020 at 07:47:33 (+), Ed wrote: > On 2020-10-24 19:35-0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Any suggestions? > > > > mutt, with a mailcap that includes: > > +1 for mutt. > > > X-Message-Flag: Cannot contact reaper.nsa.gov. Trying bucket.cia.gov.. > > X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Dan Ritter
Dan Ritter wrote: > Ed wrote: > > On 2020-10-24 19:35-0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > mutt, with a mailcap that includes: > > > > +1 for mutt. > > > > > X-Message-Flag: Cannot contact reaper.nsa.gov. Trying bucket.cia.gov.. > > > X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett > > > > Thanks for the

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Dan Ritter
Ed wrote: > On 2020-10-24 19:35-0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Any suggestions? > > > > mutt, with a mailcap that includes: > > +1 for mutt. > > > X-Message-Flag: Cannot contact reaper.nsa.gov. Trying bucket.cia.gov.. > > X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett > > Thanks for the laugh :) but

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread tomas
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 08:34:52AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Teemu Likonen writes: > > GNU Emacs mail clients "Gnus" and "Notmuch Emacs" automatically render > > HTML mail nicely as plain text. User can can also open HTML and other > > MIME parts in external viewer like web browser. > > I

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread John Hasler
Teemu Likonen writes: > GNU Emacs mail clients "Gnus" and "Notmuch Emacs" automatically render > HTML mail nicely as plain text. User can can also open HTML and other > MIME parts in external viewer like web browser. I thought of suggesting Gnus as well, but that usually results in horrified

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Michael
On Sunday, October 25, 2020 1:04:00 AM CEST, Patrick Bartek wrote: Any suggestions? since this is a debian user mailinglist, my answer will be slightly off topic. but i use 'trojita' (https://trojita.flaska.net) as a pure and simple imap based email client. but it is not in the debian

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread ed
On 2020-10-25 01:51-0700, didier gaumet wrote: > It seems that in the past, Debian provided the claws-mail-fancy-plugin > package (a GTK2 HTML viewer). > That is no longer the case but Debian is now providing the > claws-mail-dillo-viewer (a Dillo HTML viewer), and in addition to this, from >

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2020-10-25 06:51:36-04, Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 6:40 AM wrote: >> alpine > +1 It would be useful to add some information how the suggested client (Alpine) serves the purpose that was asked by the original poster. -- /// Teemu Likonen - .-..

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 6:40 AM wrote: > On Sun, 25 Oct 2020, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Any suggestions? > > alpine > +1

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread grumpy
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Any suggestions? alpine

Re: I take it back

2020-10-25 Thread tomas
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 05:42:27AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Looking at that machine with htop, and no one logged in on its own > console as its waiting for a login because a power bump rebooted it in > the night last night and I haven't been up to the shop building to login > since. > > I

Re: Error making another file manager the preferred app

2020-10-25 Thread kaye n
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 4:36 PM didier gaumet wrote: > Hello, > > reading > http://ignorantguru.github.io/spacefm/spacefm-manual-en.html#programfiles-usr-bin-spacefm-auth > , > Perhaps you should use the spacefm executable rather than the spacefm-auth > one? > You are absolutely right. When I

I take it back

2020-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
Looking at that machine with htop, and no one logged in on its own console as its waiting for a login because a power bump rebooted it in the night last night and I haven't been up to the shop building to login since. I see no wayland and 3 instances of xorg running. So its the GTK stuff

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-25 Thread Jan Foniok
> On 18 Oct 2020, at 04:06, Weaver wrote: > > On 18-10-2020 11:42, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >> Le 17 octobre 2020 23:03:22 GMT+02:00, Weaver a >> écrit : > > And now we go another step further: with double postings into my inbox. > Why don't you massage your petit ego requirements on

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread didier gaumet
Le dimanche 25 octobre 2020 à 01:10:06 UTC+2, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > Hi! All, > > Looking for recommendations for a lightweight email client that will > handle HTML as well as plain text to replace Claws-Mail. Have been > using Claws-Mail for years and before it Sylpheed. Claws used to

gmail settings

2020-10-25 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
hi, I set the gmail settings to "no transfer" This worked some days ago, but no more works, i.e. gmail still tries to tranfer incoming mails. Has anybody an explanation? best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel

Re: Error making another file manager the preferred app

2020-10-25 Thread tomas
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 04:17:03AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > Probably its gfx commands are expecting x11 for a gui, and buster uses > wayland, not x11. synaptic is in that same sinking boat. Spit... This is a guesss, I guess. Could you substantiate it? Having looked at synaptic's

Re: Error making another file manager the preferred app

2020-10-25 Thread didier gaumet
Hello, reading http://ignorantguru.github.io/spacefm/spacefm-manual-en.html#programfiles-usr-bin-spacefm-auth , Perhaps you should use the spacefm executable rather than the spacefm-auth one?

Re: Error making another file manager the preferred app

2020-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 25 October 2020 01:10:43 kaye n wrote: > Hello Friends! > > Firstly, if it matters, my system is: > > Kernel: 4.19.0-6-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.4 > Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) > Machine: > Type: Desktop Mobo: MSI model: H81M-P33 (MS-7817) v: 1.0 serial: N/A >

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread tomas
[...] > > Any suggestions? > > Have you looked at protonmail.com? Encrypted all over the place. Web based, > though. Original poster was asking for a client, not for a service. Much less for a commercial service. And he clearly stated *not* web based. Cheers - t signature.asc

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Ed
On 2020-10-24 19:35-0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Any suggestions? > > mutt, with a mailcap that includes: +1 for mutt. > X-Message-Flag: Cannot contact reaper.nsa.gov. Trying bucket.cia.gov.. > X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Thanks for the laugh :) but not sure which client you're

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-25 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 25/10/20 12:52 pm, Gene Heskett wrote: Both Thunderbird and Balsa have been rejected as T'bird is a behemoth and no longer in development; Um. Why then am I getting new versions every few weeks? Currently 83.0a1. Sure it's bigger than claws, but many processes are easier in day to