On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 davidson wrote:
Replying to myself.
According to [console_codes(4), under section ECMA-48 Set Graphics
Rendition], [this value] sets "blink off"
# apt -o "APT::Color::Highlight=^[[25m" search nethack
For me, this produces text in the default style (no highlights, no
On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 11:27:15PM -0400, darryl bruton wrote:
> I just rebooted my lenovo ideapad to debian 11 and no commands work or
> cant get wifi working im stuck on terminal I've tried everything
> (kenneth@debianspiderweb)
First things first:
Did this ideapad run Debian before?
If so -
On 03/04/2023 12:43, Andy Smith wrote:
Hello,
On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 12:23:19PM +0800, cor...@free.fr wrote:
I am just not sure, why perl6 is named to raku?
Because Perl 5 still exists and is still seeing new releases, and
what is now Raku is a completely different language, so there is no
Hello,
On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 12:23:19PM +0800, cor...@free.fr wrote:
> I am just not sure, why perl6 is named to raku?
Because Perl 5 still exists and is still seeing new releases, and
what is now Raku is a completely different language, so there is no
prospect of Perl 5 ceasing to be
On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 05:44:31AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> David Christensen wrote:
>
> > Code that writes code is a very useful technique, and I use
> > it. Whitespace as syntax would only make that harder.
>
> But if the whitespace is semantic, there's no saying it can't
> be used to
On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 07:24:25PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> On 4/2/23 14:57, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
> > I'm afraid that Python has one specific feature that puts me off.
> > Sensitivity to indentation. To those who first had to learn 'make',
> > it's a sin that cannot be
On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 09:16:08PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> But development is faster with Python [...]
> >>>
> >>> Is it?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >
> > Development is fastest using whatever language you know
> > best. This is not an objective argument.
>
> Put it
On 03/04/2023 04:59, Tom Browder wrote:
On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 3:42 PM Michel Verdier wrote:
Le 2 avril 2023 Nicholas Geovanis a écrit :
> Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and more in the
> European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly that the OO features in
> perl
Hello,
On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 05:41:14AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Andy Smith wrote:
>
> > For example, even if some AI assistant is written in Python,
> > and even if you can ask it to spit out a device driver for
> > the Linux kernel that does X and Y with Z hardware, do you
> > think the
David Christensen wrote:
> Code that writes code is a very useful technique, and I use
> it. Whitespace as syntax would only make that harder.
But if the whitespace is semantic, there's no saying it can't
be used to produce even more - indeed, of its own kind, even.
In Computer Security it is
I just rebooted my lenovo ideapad to debian 11 and no commands work or
cant get wifi working im stuck on terminal I've tried everything
(kenneth@debianspiderweb)
On 4/2/23 14:38, Emanuel Berg wrote:
David Christensen wrote:
For sysadmin, I *use* what comes on the platform. On Debian:
2023-04-02 13:40:08 root@taz ~
# cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a
11.6
Linux taz 5.10.0-21-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.162-1
(2023-01-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2023-04-02
Andy Smith wrote:
> For example, even if some AI assistant is written in Python,
> and even if you can ask it to spit out a device driver for
> the Linux kernel that does X and Y with Z hardware, do you
> think the device driver that it spits out will itself be
> written in Python?
It is up to
On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 Susmita/Rajib wrote:
My illustrious team leaders and senior debian-user list-members,
My present Debian system installed from "Official Debian GNU/Linux
Live 11.6.0 lxde 2022-12-17T11:46"
While installing a package I receive this following message:
I do not use synaptic,
Hello,
On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 04:59:15PM +0800, cor...@free.fr wrote:
> I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by perl.
> is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux?
I don't accept the premise that it ever was the first choice, and I
say that as someone who likes Perl
Hello,
On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 11:36:16PM +0200, Oliver Schoede wrote:
> I don't see much of a reason for learning Perl today unless you're
> a die-hard hobbyist with near infinite amount of time and an
> undying penchant for obsolete technology.
Perl continues to get new releases and new
On 4/2/23 14:57, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
I'm afraid that Python has one specific feature that puts me off.
Sensitivity to indentation. To those who first had to learn 'make',
it's a sin that cannot be forgiven.
+1
Code that writes code is a very useful technique, and I use it.
None of this is surprising. I’m scared of criminals using it
From my iPad
Betty
> On Apr 2, 2023, at 6:52 PM, ghe2001 wrote:
>
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> This is from a few days ago -- all of them are doing it. I'm assuming this
> story wasn't written by
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 Susmita/Rajib wrote:
[trimmed: email headers]
On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 Susmita/Rajib wrote:
[ ... ]
You do not tell us what application you are using to view the file
contents. If it is not a terminal application, it might well fail to
independently implement for your
On 4/2/23 14:36, Oliver Schoede wrote:
Seems to me
people easily forget this but Perl was intended, created to be a tool.
A text processing tool. Not a language, or environment like Python.
https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3394
Marjorie: Back in the beginning, what inspired you to write
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ghe2001 quotes:
> And as synthetic media gets more believable, the question becomes:
> What happens when people can no longer trust their own eyes and ears?
When they are actually using them. Which they are not doing when
viewing "media".
Actually, you should not entirely trust your own eyes
Our production system is using heavily perl (many thousand lines of perl5 code)
- it's mod_perl, but still perl.
Thanks.
David Christensen wrote:
> Look at the use of parentheses in Lisp [...]
I have thought about that - is Lisp possible without them?
But how do you then know priority? I'm sure someone tried to
get rid of them, but how?
> the use of white space as syntax in Python
AKA "significant whitespace" in
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This is from a few days ago -- all of them are doing it. I'm assuming this
story wasn't written by some AI software. This email wasn't. Which is exactly
what it'd say if it was...
By Shane Goldmacher
The Democratic Party has begun testing
On 4/2/23 12:11, Greg Wooledge wrote:
Development is fastest using whatever language you know best.
I would add -- "that is suitable to the task".
David
p.s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
On 4/2/23 10:14, Emanuel Berg wrote:
tomas wrote:
But Python's lambdas are preposterous (not so Perl's ;-)
Well, can't compare either to Lisp, the Pythagorean theorem of
computing ...
https://hop.perl.plover.com/
Preface
Around 1993 I started reading books about Lisp, and I
On 4/2/23 10:09, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
Larry Wall said directly
that the OO features in perl were fake :-)
Maybe there are OO modules by now?
https://perldoc.perl.org/perlootut#PERL-OO-SYSTEMS
David
On 4/2/23 09:31, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and more in the
European CS tradition. Larry Wall said ...
https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3394
Marjorie: In what way is Perl better than other scripting languages such
as Python and
On 2023-04-02 14:57, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote:
I'll admit that when I first saw perl, I thought it was horrific and I
swore to continue using awk and C and ... anything but perl. But then
one day $job required me to learn perl so I did and have been a convert
ever since.
Perl
Steve Sobol wrote:
>> If you are looking for a career, Python is much bigger but
>> there is a lot of shell scripts and for that matter
>> a little bit of Perl don't harm, absolutely mot.
>
> I'm seeing scripts written in Python far more often than
> Perl these days
100%, it's much more popular.
Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Perl or python, which has the most supported sysadmin tools?
What do you mean, built into the actual languages?
Or the number of tools people have written in either of
those languages?
We need a command for that as well ...
--
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On 2023-04-02 02:24, Emanuel Berg wrote:
If you are looking for a career, Python is much bigger but
there is a lot of shell scripts and for that matter a little
bit of Perl don't harm, absolutely mot.
I'm seeing scripts written in Python far more often than Perl these
days, but it is
debian-user wrote:
>>> Development is fastest using whatever language you know
>>> best. This is not an objective argument.
>>
>> Put it this way, a novice Python programmer can do more in
>> Python than the novice Lisp programmer can do in Lisp, or,
>> if you will, the same in less time.
>
>
Perl or python, which has the most supported sysadmin tools?
-- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023, Michel Verdier wrote:
> Le 2 avril 2023 Nicholas Geovanis a écrit :
>
Le 2 avril 2023 Emanuel Berg a écrit :
> Hey, inspired by the other dude's awesome list of source code,
> can't we have a command to parse Bibtex and find out who has
> the more books :)
Hum I think win** have even more books, still it's not the thing to learn
for a sysadmin :) I read 1 book on
Oliver Schoede wrote:
> So is it still the first choice for sysadmin work on Linux?
> Well I doubt it, I also doubt it ever was. That would be
> shell. ;)
Indeed, I thought about that! The shell.
Side note, many guys say they only use sh because bash, zsh
etc requires them being installed, I
Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> But development is faster with Python [...]
> >>>
> >>> Is it?
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >
> > Development is fastest using whatever language you know
> > best. This is not an objective argument.
>
> Put it this way, a novice Python programmer
ghe2001 wrote:
> On Amazon, if you ask for books on raku, you get stuff about
> clay and kilns. If you ask for python, you get TV programs
> and snakes.
>
> If you ask for perl, you get Perl. That's one thing good old
> Perl has over the new stuff :-)
Haha, but haven't you seen like 1 zillion
David Christensen wrote:
> For sysadmin, I *use* what comes on the platform. On Debian:
>
> 2023-04-02 13:40:08 root@taz ~
> # cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a
> 11.6
> Linux taz 5.10.0-21-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.162-1
> (2023-01-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> 2023-04-02 13:40:17 root@taz ~
> #
On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 22:42:14 +0200
Michel Verdier wrote:
>IMO style is perhaps important for development. But libs et regex are
>more important for sysadmin. I use python if a library is there or if I
>need to interface another python program. In example mutagen for
>covering mp3 files. And I
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On Amazon, if you ask for books on raku, you get stuff about clay and kilns.
If you ask for python, you get TV programs and snakes.
If you ask for perl, you get Perl. That's one thing good old Perl has over the
new stuff :-)
--
Glenn English
On Sun, 02 Apr 2023 22:32:51 +0200
Emanuel Berg wrote:
> and SQL is pronounced "seekwell" :)
No, it's pronounced "sqwill", as in something you really don't want to
drink.
>
> Okay, my school isn't old school but it is getting there ...
Give it time.
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On 4/2/23 01:59, cor...@free.fr wrote:
I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by perl.
is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux?
Thanks.
For sysadmin, I *use* what comes on the platform. On Debian:
2023-04-02 13:40:08 root@taz ~
# cat /etc/debian_version ; uname
On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 3:42 PM Michel Verdier wrote:
>
> Le 2 avril 2023 Nicholas Geovanis a écrit :
>
> > Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and more in the
> > European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly that the OO features in
> > perl were fake :-) because it was
Le 2 avril 2023 Nicholas Geovanis a écrit :
> Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and more in the
> European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly that the OO features in
> perl were fake :-) because it was another fad. You can feel the difference
> in python. 3 styles you
debian-user wrote:
>> One aspect of Python is that so many people use it so there
>> is so much information, web pages, books, the works.
>> Whatever issue you have, Google will find a solution,
>> pretty much every time. I don't have more than "I've done
>> it" experience from Perl but if we
debian-user wrote:
>> One aspect of Python is that so many people use it so there
>> is so much information, web pages, books, the works.
>> Whatever issue you have, Google will find a solution,
>> pretty much every time. I don't have more than "I've done
>> it" experience from Perl but if we
Emanuel Berg wrote:
> One aspect of Python is that so many people use it so there is
> so much information, web pages, books, the works.
> Whatever issue you have, Google will find a solution, pretty
> much every time. I don't have more than "I've done it"
> experience from Perl but if we
> But development is faster with Python [...]
Is it?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Development is fastest using whatever language you know
>> best. This is not an objective argument.
>
> Put it this way, a novice Python programmer can do more in
> Python than the novice Lisp programmer can do
Greg Wooledge wrote:
But development is faster with Python [...]
>>>
>>> Is it?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Development is fastest using whatever language you know
> best. This is not an objective argument.
Put it this way, a novice Python programmer can do more in
Python than the novice Lisp
On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 08:55:49PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> tomas wrote:
>
> >> But development is faster with Python [...]
> >
> > Is it?
>
> Yes.
Development is fastest using whatever language you know best. This is
not an objective argument.
tomas wrote:
>> But development is faster with Python [...]
>
> Is it?
Yes.
> Is it /better/, then?
In that regard, yes.
> Remember. All generalizations suck.
Is it better to be all-around, or to be a specialist?
Well, in general it's better to be all-around ...
--
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On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 07:14:06PM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
[...]
> But development is faster with Python [...]
Is it? Is it /better/, then?
Remember. All generalizations suck.
Cheers
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> Hola,
> No comento
Ben merci ! ;-)
C'est super sympa de prendre le temps de m'expliquer ça !
Justement j'étais contant que ça marche, mais j'étais embêté de ne pas savoir
pourquoi. :-)
Avec gratitude,
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Le dimanche 2 avril 2023 à 17:45, didier gaumet a
écrit :
> Le 02/04/2023 à 15:23, benoit a
tomas wrote:
>> Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and
>> more in the European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly
>> that the OO features in perl were fake :-) because it was
>> another fad. You can feel the difference in python.
>> 3 styles you could code in python:
Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>> I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by
>> perl. is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux?
>
> I first wrote perl on unix/linux in 1991. The first python
> I wrote was about 10 years later.
It feels like Perl is old, not ancient like Lisp,
On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 11:31:50AM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
[...]
> Python is a more modern programming language than perl, and more in the
> European CS tradition. Larry Wall said directly that the OO features in
> perl were fake :-) because it was another fad. You can feel the
On Sun, Apr 2, 2023, 3:59 AM wrote:
> I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by perl.
> is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux?
>
I first wrote perl on unix/linux in 1991. The first python I wrote was
about 10 years later. By that time the Redhat/fedora/CentOS distro
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Which Diff tool could I use for visually comparing
two text files where Word Wrap is possible?
From: rhkra...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2023 09:07:47 -0400
Message-id: <[] 202304010907.47888.rhkra...@gmail.com>
In-reply-to:
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Which Diff tool could I use for visually comparing
two text files where Word Wrap is possible?
From: davidson
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2023 10:54:06 + (UTC)
Message-id: <[] alpine.deb.2.21.2304011044320.15...@azone.org>
Le 02/04/2023 à 15:23, benoit a écrit :
[...]
libexiv2-27:
Installé : 0.27.5-3.1
Candidat : 0.27.5-3.1
Table de version :
*** 0.27.5-3.1 100
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
0.27.3-3+deb11u1 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
500
Bonjour Bernard,
J'ai suivis pas à pas ce que tu indiques et ça a marché. :-)
Un tout grand merci
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Le dimanche 2 avril 2023 à 14:07, Bernard Schoenacker
a écrit :
> Bonjour Benoit,
>
> Je suis en plein remue-méninges pour arriver à comprendre
> quel est la saveur de ta
Le dimanche 2 avril 2023 à 14:00, didier gaumet a
écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
> je pense que tu as un souci de conflit entre versions/provenances et un
> $ apt policy libexiv*
> devrait te/nous éclairer
Oups, vraiment désolé :
libexiv2-27:
Installé : 0.27.5-3.1
Candidat : 0.27.5-3.1
Table de
Bonjour Benoit,
Je suis en plein remue-méninges pour arriver à comprendre
quel est la saveur de ta distribution...
En reprenant les bases (paquet) :
https://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/exiv2/libexiv2-27_0.27.3-3+deb11u1_amd64.deb
Bonjour,
je pense que tu as un souci de conflit entre versions/provenances et un
$ apt policy libexiv*
devrait te/nous éclairer
Hola,
No comento gaires vegades, peró uns errors com aquests em fan ser
curiós, perquè son molt estranys, sembla com si la màquina fallés,
Aquest error al instal.lar python far evident que els fitxers
d'aquests paquets en el disc son corruptes,
s'hauria de fer:
rm -vf
Bonjour à toutes et tous,
Je n'arrives pas à installer libexiv2-dev
Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites :
libexiv2-dev : Dépend: libexiv2-27 (= 0.27.3-3+deb11u1) mais 0.27.5-3.1 devra
être installé
E: Impossible de corriger les problèmes, des paquets défectueux sont
Bon dia de nou,
Algú més s'ha trobat amb el problema del python3.11 al fer un apt upgrade:
2023-04-02 11:52:18 xavier@PC006:~$ sudo apt upgrade
S'està llegint la llista de paquets… Fet
S'està construint l'arbre de dependències… Fet
S'està llegint la informació de l'estat… Fet
S'està calculant
On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 09:32:56PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 27-03-2023 om 23:22 schreef Geert Stappers:
> > Op 26-03-2023 om 12:50 schreef Geert Stappers:
> > >
> > > Uit `man 1 ssh`
> > >
> > > -N Do not execute a remote command.
> > > This is useful for just forward
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 08:12:20PM +0200, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
> Geert Stappers writes:
> > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 09:47:31AM +0200, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
> >> Als ik een Android via USB koppel, dan is deze via de command line
> >> bereikbaar via:
> >>
M.I.T. is giving python's compiler some long overdue love which should
speed it up considerably.
-- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> coreyh
coreyh wrote:
> I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written
> by perl.
And in C?
> is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux?
If you are looking for a career, Python is much bigger but
there is a lot of shell scripts and for that matter a little
bit of Perl don't harm,
On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 04:59:15PM +0800, cor...@free.fr wrote:
> I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by perl.
> is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux?
That depends.
(Sorry: the answer is more or less as unspecific as the question(
Cheers
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I saw many commands in /bin and /usr/bin are written by perl.
is perl still the first choice for sysadmin on linux?
Thanks.
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