Le 5 août 2023 ajh-valmer a écrit :
> Je vais réinstaller asap bookworm, mais je m'explique pas pourquoi un
> dist-upgrade finit si mal.
Au début tu parlais d'une installation puis d'une mise à jour. Que
fais-tu exactement ? Et c'est ce qu'on te demandait : si tu avais suivi
la procédure de mise
There's two approaches I would consider here:
If you know exactly which packages you want downloaded, I think you can use
"apt-get download" to just download the packages you tell it to, and it will
ignore all dependency requirements, and not download any other packages. This
would be a
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 10:52:35PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 10:27 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 10:05:31PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:13 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 06, 2023 at
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 10:27 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 10:05:31PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:13 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 06, 2023 at 09:28:55AM +0800, Jon Smart wrote:
> > > > How to stop the auto-changes to
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 10:05:31PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:13 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 06, 2023 at 09:28:55AM +0800, Jon Smart wrote:
> > > How to stop the auto-changes to /etc/resolv.conf after rebooting?
> >
> >
David Christensen wrote:
> On 8/5/23 12:03, gene heskett wrote:
> > What doc should I follow to bring these 2 drives into one volume managed
> > partition for amanda's use as a vtape device? I'd assume the volume
> > management works by now, but it was a data losing disaster 15+ years ago
> >
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:13 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 06, 2023 at 09:28:55AM +0800, Jon Smart wrote:
> > How to stop the auto-changes to /etc/resolv.conf after rebooting?
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
>
Contrary to what that page states, auto changes to resolv.conf are never
On Sun, Aug 06, 2023 at 09:28:55AM +0800, Jon Smart wrote:
> How to stop the auto-changes to /etc/resolv.conf after rebooting?
https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf
On 6/8/23 09:28, Jon Smart wrote:
Hello
I have removed the default systemd-resolved local dns service following
the link below,
https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu
And I have unbound installed and enabled as local DNS server.
But every time I
Hello
I have removed the default systemd-resolved local dns service following
the link below,
https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu
And I have unbound installed and enabled as local DNS server.
But every time I reboot the server, the configuration
On 8/5/23 12:03, gene heskett wrote:
I've an asus mobo with 6 sata ports, 5 are busy.
I also have another 6 port with 4 ports tied up serving a raid 10 for
/home. That leaves 2 ports empty on that controller.
I have a handful of 2T SSD's. If I can find another 4 pin empty pigtail
on the
> Le 5 août 2023 à 16:51, didier gaumet a écrit :
> Le 05/08/2023 à 15:11, RogerT a écrit :
>> Merci. Je vais voir le xfce4 nouveau. Qui doit rester léger, j’imagine ou
>> j’espère.
>
> Oui Xfce reste léger.
> Par contre si tu veux avoir une expérience moins fruste avec Xfce, faut pas
>
Hello,
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 03:03:54PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> What doc should I follow to bring these 2 drives into one volume managed
> partition for amanda's use as a vtape device? I'd assume the volume
> management works by now, but it was a data losing disaster 15+ years ago
> when I
On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:03:54 -0400
gene heskett wrote:
> I've an asus mobo with 6 sata ports, 5 are busy.
>
> I also have another 6 port with 4 ports tied up serving a raid 10 for
> /home. That leaves 2 ports empty on that controller.
>
> I have a handful of 2T SSD's. If I can find another 4
Hello,
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 02:01:40PM -0700, Steve Sobol wrote:
> On 2023-08-05 13:16, Andy Smith wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Steve Sobol wrote:
> > > Part of my standard procedure for setting up new VMs involves
> > > editing root's
> > > crontab.
> > >
> > > But
On 2023-08-05 13:16, Andy Smith wrote:
Hello,
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Steve Sobol wrote:
Part of my standard procedure for setting up new VMs involves editing
root's
crontab.
But cron isn't installed.
Seems unlikely. There are system cron jobs that are not yet
converted
On 2023-08-05 13:23, Michael Kjörling wrote:
On 5 Aug 2023 22:13 +0200, from johndoe65...@mail.com (john doe):
But cron isn't installed.
I just install a new Bookworm VM and 'cron' is present! :)
Ditto. That must be some customization your VPS provider has made, if
the installation didn't
I'm trying to crossgrade a bullseye system (from i386 to amd64). The
machine is headless (with no graphical display and it's also difficult
to access a console), so I'm doing it over ssh.
In preparation I've switched from systemd to sysvinit (due to the
warning on the crossgrade page), and
On Saturday 05 August 2023 20:50:29 didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 05/08/2023 à 18:06, ajh-valmer a écrit :
> > À quel moment et comment choisir Systemd ou Sysv ? :
> => dans tous ces cas, tu cherches les ennuis:
> - si tes convictions te font détester systemd (parce que dans une grande
> majorité de
gene heskett wrote:
> I've an asus mobo with 6 sata ports, 5 are busy.
>
> I also have another 6 port with 4 ports tied up serving a raid 10 for /home.
> That leaves 2 ports empty on that controller.
>
> I have a handful of 2T SSD's. If I can find another 4 pin empty pigtail on
> the psu, I'll
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 08:16:57PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Steve Sobol wrote:
> > But cron isn't installed.
>
> Seems unlikely. There are system cron jobs that are not yet
> converted to systemd timers. A bookworm install I did just
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 08:31:13PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 08:23:19PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> > Ditto. That must be some customization your VPS provider has made, if
> > the installation didn't somehow fail.
>
> I don't know why a hosting company would put in
Hello,
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 08:23:19PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2023 22:13 +0200, from johndoe65...@mail.com (john doe):
> >> But cron isn't installed.
> >
> > I just install a new Bookworm VM and 'cron' is present! :)
>
> Ditto. That must be some customization your VPS
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Steve Sobol wrote:
> My VPS provider [...]
> But cron isn't installed.
>
> What am I expected to use instead? (I assume that I *could* install cron,
> but there must be a reason it's not installed by default anymore, right?)
Just install it. Do not
On 5 Aug 2023 22:13 +0200, from johndoe65...@mail.com (john doe):
>> But cron isn't installed.
>
> I just install a new Bookworm VM and 'cron' is present! :)
Ditto. That must be some customization your VPS provider has made, if
the installation didn't somehow fail.
I did an installation based
On 2023-08-05 12:12, Anders Andersson wrote:
Impossible, fake news. It's Java. When I still coded C and assembly in
the nineties everyone told me that Java would solve the issue of
portability forever. Write once, run anywhere! Just run it, no
worries!
Ahhh... I don't know what
On 2023-08-05 09:50, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
However, it seems like there are rather serious blocking issues that
have halted progress.
When I need Gradle (whether on Mac, Linux or Windows), I just download
the latest version, put it somewhere and use it. I do the same thing
with Java
Hello,
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 12:53:08PM -0700, Steve Sobol wrote:
> Part of my standard procedure for setting up new VMs involves editing root's
> crontab.
>
> But cron isn't installed.
Seems unlikely. There are system cron jobs that are not yet
converted to systemd timers. A bookworm install
On 8/5/23 21:53, Steve Sobol wrote:
Crazy question:
My VPS provider just started offering bookworm images. So when I set up
a new server yesterday, I installed bookworm.
Part of my standard procedure for setting up new VMs involves editing
root's crontab.
But cron isn't installed.
What am I
Crazy question:
My VPS provider just started offering bookworm images. So when I set up
a new server yesterday, I installed bookworm.
Part of my standard procedure for setting up new VMs involves editing
root's crontab.
But cron isn't installed.
What am I expected to use instead? (I
Hello,
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 08:03:27PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:09:41 +
> Andy Smith wrote:
> > For those of us who do care, installing rsyslog takes seconds.
> > Disabling the systemd journal (if you want to)_ takes another few
> > seconds. This email took longer.
>
>
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 6:51 PM Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 05:21:55PM +0100, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > Gradle is not some minority, hardly-used tool, so there is presumably
> > a reason why the package hasn't been updated in Debian. Anyone know
> > what it is?
> >
>
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 08:03:27PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:09:41 +
> Andy Smith wrote:
> > The release notes in particular are essential reading since
> > otherwise a person won't know about major components that have
> > changed, been replaced etc.
>
> Indeed, but they
I've an asus mobo with 6 sata ports, 5 are busy.
I also have another 6 port with 4 ports tied up serving a raid 10 for
/home. That leaves 2 ports empty on that controller.
I have a handful of 2T SSD's. If I can find another 4 pin empty pigtail
on the psu, I'll plug 2 of these 2T's into that
On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 15:09:41 +
Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 09:23:25AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > In any case, this is not a popular change.
>
> I don't think that's clear. I think that amongst a population of
> people who care deeply about logging it's
Le 05/08/2023 à 18:06, ajh-valmer a écrit :
[...]
Seul message alarmant, "noyau 6.10... ininstallable".
Impossible vu que c'est kernel panic au boot.
si, c'est possible avec un média d'installation Debian, tu démarres
dessus et au lieu de choisir installation, tu choisis récupération.
Y a
Le 5 août 2023 ajh-valmer a écrit :
>> ta mise à jour de Bullseye à Bookworm n'a pas été effectuée entièrement :
> Si, tout a été fait selon les règles de l'art.
> Seul message alarmant, "noyau 6.10... ininstallable".
Il y a forcément eu quelque chose qui a rendu le kernel ininstallable, ça
doit
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 05:21:55PM +0100, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> Apologies if this is a dumb and/or frequently-answered question,
> but... does anyone know why the version of the "gradle" build tool in
> bookworm is version 4?
>
> The version in bookworm, 4.4.1-18, was migrated to testing in
Apologies if this is a dumb and/or frequently-answered question,
but... does anyone know why the version of the "gradle" build tool in
bookworm is version 4?
The version in bookworm, 4.4.1-18, was migrated to testing in January
of this year -- an upgrade from version 4.4.1-13 -- at which time the
On Saturday 05 August 2023 17:08:55 didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 05/08/2023 à 16:45, ajh-valmer a écrit :
> >> Ton message apparaît après écran accueil Grub, non,
> >> une mise-à-jour plutôt qu'une installation? :
> > Oui, bien sûr, suite à un upgrade de bullseye vers bookworm,
> > en suivant
Hello,
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 09:23:25AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> In any case, this is not a popular change.
I don't think that's clear. I think that amongst a population of
people who care deeply about logging it's generally unfavourable,
and I myself don't particularly enjoy using
Le 05/08/2023 à 16:45, ajh-valmer a écrit :
On Friday 04 August 2023 16:50:39 didier gaumet wrote:
Le 04/08/2023 à 16:29, ajh-valmer a écrit :
En rebootant mon portable sur lequel je viens d'installer bookworm,
j'ai un kernel panic et avant le message :
"Retbleed, vulnerable to attacks..."
Hello,
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 08:56:36AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> It is highly probable that I'm being grumpy because Debian changed
> something that I was used to for decades, without my realizing it.
…because you didn't read the release notes that are absolutely
required reading to
Le 05/08/2023 à 15:11, RogerT a écrit :
Merci. Je vais voir le xfce4 nouveau. Qui doit rester léger, j’imagine ou
j’espère.
Oui Xfce reste léger.
Par contre si tu veux avoir une expérience moins fruste avec Xfce, faut
pas juste installe le méta-paquet task-xfce-desktop, le plus simple
On Friday 04 August 2023 16:50:39 didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 04/08/2023 à 16:29, ajh-valmer a écrit :
> > En rebootant mon portable sur lequel je viens d'installer bookworm,
> > j'ai un kernel panic et avant le message :
> > "Retbleed, vulnerable to attacks..."
> > Durant l'installation, le nouveau
* 2023-08-05 09:23:25-0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> In any case, this [systemd journal] is not a popular change. I don't
> remember ever hearing a single person say "Wow, I'm so glad they did
> this!" I've seen many complaints. Most often, people just (re)install
> rsyslog and move on with their
Hi,
I installed bookworm on a HP Laptop 17-cp2xxx, everything works perfectly,
except the microphone does not show up in alsamixer, KDE plasma and Chromium.
pactl lists two cards, in card #1 I see a analog-input-mic:
rd@laptop:~$ pactl list cards
Card #0
Name:
On 8/5/23 14:56, Carl Fink wrote:
On 8/5/23 02:54, Michel Verdier wrote:
On 2023-08-04, Carl Fink wrote:
Today, on my Bullseye system, X crashed and restarted. Naturally, I thought
I'd check my logs to see if I could find out why.
Well, no ... because syslog does not exist.
If you don't
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 02:12:31PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> Does this clarify?
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Rsyslog#Deprecation_in_Bookworm
Ah, I didn't know about that page. It links to bug #1018788 which
says, among other things,
The main reason here is, that I want to avoid that log data
On Sat, Aug 05, 2023 at 08:56:36AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> It is highly probable that I'm being grumpy because Debian changed something
> that
> I was used to for decades, without my realizing it. I'm more interested in
> *using* my
> computer than learning whole new paradigms about, say,
On Sat 05 Aug 2023 at 08:56:36 -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On 8/5/23 02:54, Michel Verdier wrote:
> > On 2023-08-04, Carl Fink wrote:
> >
> > > Today, on my Bullseye system, X crashed and restarted. Naturally, I
> > > thought
> > > I'd check my logs to see if I could find out why.
> > >
> > >
> Le 5 août 2023 à 10:49, didier gaumet a écrit :
> Le 04/08/2023 à 19:27, RogerT a écrit :
>
>> L’utilisateur ne veut rien gérer mais juste utiliser le logiciel livré.
>> Et y accéder en un double-clic depuis son bureau.
>> Il utilise le DE qu’on lui dit d’utiliser.
>> xfce4 : je me ferais
On 8/5/23 02:54, Michel Verdier wrote:
On 2023-08-04, Carl Fink wrote:
Today, on my Bullseye system, X crashed and restarted. Naturally, I thought
I'd check my logs to see if I could find out why.
Well, no ... because syslog does not exist.
If you don't have syslog your logs will be on
Hoi Gijs,
Op 04-08-2023 om 16:44 schreef Gijs Hillenius:
On 4 August 2023 15:03 Paul van der Vlis, wrote:
Hoi Gijs,
Op 04-08-2023 om 10:34 schreef Gijs Hillenius:
De handleiding:
https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#proposed-updates
4.2.9. The
Hoi Gijs,
Op 04-08-2023 om 10:32 schreef Gijs Hillenius:
On 3 August 2023 23:43 Paul van der Vlis, wrote:
Hoi Gijs,
Op 29-07-2023 om 08:36 schreef Gijs Hillenius:
On 28 July 2023 19:10 Wouter Verhelst, wrote:
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 01:10:04PM +0200, Gijs Hillenius wrote:
On 19 July 2023
Le 05/08/2023 à 12:01, hamster a écrit :
Le 05/08/2023 à 09:25, didier gaumet a écrit :
[...]
Donc on peut légitimement s'émouvoir lorsque j'évoque une
automatisation, qui n'est que partielle ;-)
Je crains que tu n'aie mal compris mon message. Je ne m'émeut pas, je me
renseigne. Et loin de
Le 05/08/2023 à 09:25, didier gaumet a écrit :
la sauvegarde étant automatisée, lorsqu'elle se lance, le disque n'étant
quasiment jamais branché à ce moment-là, la sauvegarde se vautre
quasi-systématiquement, en notifiant l'utilisateur qu'elle reprendra
lorsque le disque sera branché. Lorsque
Le 05/08/2023 à 08:22, benoit a écrit :
[...]
Maintenant je ne sais pas si ma version "rétroportée" va être stable...
A voir
[...]
Y a probablement pas de raison particulière pour que ce ne soit pas fiable.
et de toutes façons:
1) tu verras à l'usage
2) tu t'es sorti de tes problèmes, c'est le
je ne sais pas trop quoi te conseiller, à part
- tester une livekey Debian 12 pour voir si tu as des freezes, pour
éliminer la possibilité que l'association de ton matériel et sa gestion
par Nouveau génère les crashes. Si ça crashe c'est vraisemblablement
que tu ne peux obtenir un bon
Le 04/08/2023 à 19:38, RogerT a écrit :
J’ai essayé Dash to Dock, mais ça colle un menu Applications déjà disponible,
en permanence ou visible par survol du bord, à gauche (car j’ai mes icônes de
programmes lancés en pied d’écran).
Pour le type d’utilisateur auquel je pense, ou pour moi, qui
Le 04/08/2023 à 19:27, RogerT a écrit :
L’utilisateur ne veut rien gérer mais juste utiliser le logiciel livré.
Et y accéder en un double-clic depuis son bureau.
Il utilise le DE qu’on lui dit d’utiliser.
xfce4 : je me ferais incendier car trop rustre.
*éventuellement* tu peux y jeter de
Bon alors d'abord merci à Erwan et Sébastien :-)
d'avoir explicité le fonctionnement de Borgbackup et Vorta, parce qu'à
la lumière de leurs explications et des docs de Borgbackup et Duplicty,
j'avais manifestement mal compris pas mal de points
(je résume la réflexion pour que les ignares
On 8/4/23 19:26, David Wright wrote:
On Thu 03 Aug 2023 at 15:56:07 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
On 8/2/23 19:05, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Wed, Aug 02, 2023 at 07:01:22PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
Interesting. Is there a Debian specification that explains the 127.0.1.1
entry?
Le 04/08/2023 à 22:46, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
didier gaumet a écrit :
Deja-Dup ne gère pas le chiffrement de la sauvegarde
Il est indiqué ici [...] que les sauvegardes générées par Duplicity sont des
archives TAR
chiffrées.
Je ne connais pas plus Deja-Dup que Duplicity, mais je serais
Le 05/08/2023 à 01:57, Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
hamster a écrit :
Un logiciel qui lance automatiquement une sauvegarde a intervalle
régulier, je comprend, mais si c'est sur un disque externe je vois mal
comment le branchement du disque peut etre automatisé.
Hors robot, le seul moyen
Le 4 août 2023 ajh-valmer a écrit :
> En rebootant mon portable sur lequel je viens d'installer bookworm,
> j'ai un kernel panic et avant le message :
> "Retbleed, vulnerable to attacks..."
Je crois que c'est juste une info du kernel, pas une cause de kernel
panic. Et heureusement car il y a pas
Le 5 août 2023 hamster a écrit :
>> C'est exact. Borg fonctionne par déduplication. Virtuellement, il effectue
>> une sauvegarde intégrale à chaque fois, mais dans la pratique, il ne
>> sauvegarde que les blocs qui ont changé depuis la dernière sauvegarde. Pour
>> le reste, il se contente de
David Wright writes:
> On Fri 04 Aug 2023 at 15:36:35 (+0200), Kamil Jońca wrote:
>> Kamil Jońca writes:
>>
>> [...]
>> Ugh. This laptop has keyboard where Fn keys have dual function (quite
>> common nowadays) and under F1 was kind of 'Sleep'. So when I press
>> Ctrl-Alt-F1 it goes to sleep,
On 2023-08-04, Carl Fink wrote:
> Today, on my Bullseye system, X crashed and restarted. Naturally, I thought
> I'd check my logs to see if I could find out why.
>
> Well, no ... because syslog does not exist.
If you don't have syslog your logs will be on journald.
But X logs could be in
Le vendredi 4 août 2023 à 15:37, didier gaumet a
écrit :
>
> tu peux faire un backport-pour-les-nuls. Je plaisante, il ya une
> procédure détaillée en français dans le wiki sur la manière de faire un
> rétroportage de paquet (toujours depuis testing, le backport).
> C'est un exemple avec le
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