Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-03 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:23 AM Charles Curley wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:20:45 -0500 > Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > I'm not sure that is correct. According to RFC 2132, Section 8.3, the > > NTP time server source option is IP addresses, not hostnames. That > > means ISC DHCP docs need to

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 00:20:45 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > I'm not sure that is correct. According to RFC 2132, Section 8.3, the > NTP time server source option is IP addresses, not hostnames. That > means ISC DHCP docs need to say it resolves a hostname to an IP, or it > needs to tell people to

Re: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 05:55:50 +0100 wrote: > Wait a sec: before the clients get an answer from the DHCP server, > they don't have any route (at least not for the network in question), > so it doesn't make sense poking at them with ip route and things. > They send their request to the local

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-03 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 12:09 AM wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 07:42:42PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > in the docs (thanks for hiding them & doing away with manpages) it says: > > --- > > To make the DHCP server in the Debian package isc-dhcp-server send NTP > >

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-03 Thread tomas
On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 07:42:42PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > in the docs (thanks for hiding them & doing away with manpages) it says: > --- > To make the DHCP server in the Debian package isc-dhcp-server send NTP > server > information, add a line like the following at

Re: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread tomas
On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 12:30:53PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > I am installing a new router which seems to work well so far. > > I have changed the DHCP server to use the new router's address, and shut > the server down and restarted it. Existing clients insist on using the > old router

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-03 Thread John Hasler
Max Nikulin wrote: > From my point of view, it should be possible to put a file with > mapping of mac addresses to desired IPs and names to his dd-wrt > router. I expect that dnsmasq is running or can be installed > there. Dnsmasq as a DHCP server on the router should be better than > maintaining

Re: DHCP Problem, but where

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:32:59 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > The "restart your dhcp clients" may have a sharp edge. Sometimes the > clients have a touch of resiliency or hardening added so they contact > their original dhcp server, and not a [possibly] rogue server setup by > an unknowing developer

Re: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 12:30:53 -0700 Charles Curley wrote: > I am installing a new router which seems to work well so far. > > I have changed the DHCP server to use the new router's address, and > shut the server down and restarted it. Existing clients insist on > using the old router anyway. Is

Re: DHCP Problem, but where

2023-12-03 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 9:57 PM jeremy ardley wrote: > > > On 4/12/23 05:18, Geert Stappers wrote: > > That triggered me to ask "Has the DHCP server been restarted?" > > > The default behaviour of most dhcp clients when they can't connect to a > dhcp server is to maintain the settings from any

Re: time question, as in ntp?

2023-12-03 Thread Max Nikulin
On 02/12/2023 23:39, John Hasler wrote: Max Nikulin wrote: As to a GPS receiver, it should be doable and 169.254.x.y addresses will not be an issue any more. Be careful with cables when connecting it however: https://www.wired.com/2012/02/neutrinos-faulty-cable/ CNC machines don't need

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Max Nikulin
On 04/12/2023 09:39, jeremy ardley wrote: I think I've found a potential culprit using about:processes https://openai.com 110% CPU I would try it in chromium. Some sites relies on optimizations implemented in its JavaScript engine. My observation is that Firefox may be CPU hungry due to

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 10:26, Max Nikulin wrote: > I am curious if this creature may provide a summary on user-space OOM > killers. I have never tried them, but I expect that they may be more > intelligent than the kernel-space one. I have seen mentions of the > following ones: earlyoom, nohang, oomd.

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Max Nikulin
On 03/12/2023 13:33, jeremy ardley wrote: On 3/12/23 13:59, Phil Wyett wrote: What type of content is generally being viewed/used in firefox? A lot of video and otherwise news and search and GPT4 --- I am curious if this creature may

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Tom Dial
On 12/3/23 01:00, jeremy ardley wrote: On 3/12/23 15:37, Phil Wyett wrote: Not to regurgitating info here, I will add a link below that will instruct how to adjust or disable oom-killer in a sensible manner if you wish to experiment (your choice and being cautious :-)) if it is in fact the

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 08:51, jeremy ardley wrote: |ntpq -p timedatectl status chronyc sources or if you are hardcore sudo tcpdump -i any port 123 | Sorry, something screwed up the list One or more of: ntpq -p timedatectl status chronyc sources or if you are hardcore sudo tcpdump -i any port

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 08:42, gene heskett wrote: At the other end of the local wires and switches tree on my other machines, what is the list of debian.pool.ntp.org replaced with? To find out what ntp server(s) a system is using as compared to what may be in config files or set by dhcp client, try

Re: ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 07:42:42PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > in the docs (thanks for hiding them & doing away with manpages) it says: > --- > To make the DHCP server in the Debian package isc-dhcp-server send NTP > server > information, add a line like the following at an appropriate place:

ntpsec as server questions

2023-12-03 Thread gene heskett
Greetings all; in the docs (thanks for hiding them & doing away with manpages) it says: --- To make the DHCP server in the Debian package isc-dhcp-server send NTP server information, add a line like the following at an appropriate place: option ntp-servers ntp1.foo.bar, ntp2.foo.bar;

Re: goose DHCP clients to new address Was: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:18:23 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > I don't know about Linux clients, but in the past, Windows clients > used to try to connect to the previous DHCP server for its lease info. > If the old DHCP server is still available (on the old router?), then > the client may be getting

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 06:08, Michael Kjörling wrote: The reason for the system slowing down seems to me to likely be that once the system comes under memory pressure (quite possibly due to an increase in anonymous pages), it must evict something, and only non-anonymous (that is, backed) pages can be

Re: goose DHCP clients to new address Was: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:51 PM Charles Curley wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:14:51 +0100 > Geert Stappers wrote: > > > I assume that the previous router is disconnected from the LAN. > > No. Until I solve this problem (and a few others), I will have clients > using the old router. > > > The

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 3 Dec 2023 14:33 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): >> You have swap and it is enabled? > > No Swap. I prefer not on SSD Why not? You are definitely putting the VM allocator in a much more difficult spot than necessary by not providing any swap space. If I read what you

Re: goose DHCP clients to new address Was: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:14:51 +0100 Geert Stappers wrote: > I assume that the previous router is disconnected from the LAN. No. Until I solve this problem (and a few others), I will have clients using the old router. > The DHCProtocol has "release" for such goosing. > At DHCPclient do "stop

Re: DHCP Problem, but where

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 22:18:22 +0100 Geert Stappers wrote: > Has the DHCP server been restarted? Yes. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: DHCP Problem, but where

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/12/23 05:18, Geert Stappers wrote: That triggered me to ask "Has the DHCP server been restarted?" The default behaviour of most dhcp clients when they can't connect to a dhcp server is to maintain the settings from any previous lease. A second default behaviour is for clients to not

tunnel wayland

2023-12-03 Thread Geert Stappers
In-Reply-To: <20231203201934.4b51c...@acer-suse.fritz.box> Subject: Re: Telnet On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 08:19:34PM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Charles Curley wrote: > > > > ... even on an isolated network one should prefer ssh. First, > > to be in the right habit. Second because

Re: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 20:56:20 +0100 Marco Moock wrote: > Did you check with a sniffer that the answer from the DHCP includes > the new router address? Not with a sniffer, but I did check the lease file. Neither the router address nor the various lease times changed. -- Does anybody read

Re: DHCP Problem, but where

2023-12-03 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 04:03:39PM -0500, Henning Follmann wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2023, at 14:31, Charles Curley wrote: > > > > I am installing a new router which seems to work well so far. > > > > I have changed the DHCP server to use the new router's address, and shut > > the server down and

goose DHCP clients to new address Was: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 12:30:53PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > I am installing a new router which seems to work well so far. I assume that the previous router is disconnected from the LAN. > I have changed the DHCP server to use the new router's address, and shut > the server down and

Re: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Henning Follmann
> On Dec 3, 2023, at 14:31, Charles Curley > wrote: > > I am installing a new router which seems to work well so far. > > I have changed the DHCP server to use the new router's address, and shut > the server down and restarted it. Existing clients insist on using the > old router anyway.

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread debian-user
Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 14:01:38 -0500 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > The question is whether anyone should be running a telnetd *server*. > > On an isolated network, it might be acceptable. But it's really a > > bad habit that should be stomped out aggressively, as machines >

Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative?

2023-12-03 Thread Gareth Evans
> On 3 Dec 2023, at 12:06, Gareth Evans wrote: > > ... I've never had a problem with laser-designated labels. I do have experience of toner falling off non-laser labels, so perhaps your laser labels are a duff batch, or perhaps they were mis-labelled :p G

Re: DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Marco Moock
Am 03.12.2023 um 12:30:53 Uhr schrieb Charles Curley: > I have changed the DHCP server to use the new router's address, and > shut the server down and restarted it. Existing clients insist on > using the old router anyway. Is there any way to goose clients into > using the new one short of

DHCP Problem

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
I am installing a new router which seems to work well so far. I have changed the DHCP server to use the new router's address, and shut the server down and restarted it. Existing clients insist on using the old router anyway. Is there any way to goose clients into using the new one short of

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 14:01:38 -0500 Greg Wooledge wrote: > The question is whether anyone should be running a telnetd *server*. > On an isolated network, it might be acceptable. But it's really a bad > habit that should be stomped out aggressively, as machines which are > currently on an isolated

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 11:52:51AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:00:44 +0100 > Marco Moock wrote: > > > > > > > How do you find 1994? It seems to be a mail from yesterday: > > > > For me it sounded like a joke. > > > > Telnet is unencrypted (although it is possible to

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 17:00:44 +0100 Marco Moock wrote: > > > > How do you find 1994? It seems to be a mail from yesterday: > > For me it sounded like a joke. > > Telnet is unencrypted (although it is possible to run it over TLS to > encrypt it) and SSH exists more than 20 years. True. None

Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative?

2023-12-03 Thread David Christensen
On 12/3/23 04:05, Gareth Evans wrote: On 3 Dec 2023, at 11:39, Tom Browder wrote: On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 5:17 PM Gareth Evans wrote: Are your labels "laser" labels? Yes, DUAL INKJET and LASER OK. I don't have much experience of label printing, but I've never had a problem with

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Marco Moock
Am 03.12.2023 um 12:06:40 Uhr schrieb Michel Verdier: > On 2023-12-02, Andy Smith wrote: > > > Can someone examine the list's configuration? This email from 1994 > > seems to have only just been delivered. > > How do you find 1994? It seems to be a mail from yesterday: For me it sounded like

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 12:58:47PM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > I noticed my Firefox -esr browser becoming progressively more sluggish. Then > suddenly I was back to the system login screen > > This is not the first time this has happened although previously when it > started

Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative?

2023-12-03 Thread Gareth Evans
> On 3 Dec 2023, at 11:39, Tom Browder wrote: > On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 5:17 PM Gareth Evans wrote: >> Are your labels "laser" labels? > > Yes, DUAL INKJET and LASER OK. I don't have much experience of label printing, but I've never had a problem with laser-designated labels. I would

Filsystem för värddator?

2023-12-03 Thread Martin Schöön
Hallå, Någon som är duktig på filsystem här? Efter 13 år är det dags för ny dator -- stationär dator i 'hemmakontoret'. Den gamla jobbar på bra så jag unnar mig lyxen att inte hasta med den nya. En av datorns arbetsuppgifter är att vara värd för några virtuella maskiner -- både Virtualbox och

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 6:21 AM jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 3/12/23 13:59, Phil Wyett wrote: > > Your system RAM total is? > > 32G You might also want to try compressed memory, like zram. > > You have swap and it is enabled? > > No Swap. I prefer not on SSD In this configuration, you may want

Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative?

2023-12-03 Thread Tom Browder
On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 2:01 AM David Christensen wrote: > I would not put anything through a laser printer unless it is > specifically rated for laser printers. Applying fixative to printer > labels before printing sounds like a good way to damage your equipment. > If anything, apply the

Re: Print flakes off mailing labels, use a fixative?

2023-12-03 Thread Tom Browder
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 5:17 PM Gareth Evans wrote: > Are your labels "laser" labels? Yes, DUAL INKJET and LASER -Tom

Re: Telnet

2023-12-03 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-12-02, Andy Smith wrote: > Can someone examine the list's configuration? This email from 1994 > seems to have only just been delivered. How do you find 1994? It seems to be a mail from yesterday: Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Phil Wyett
On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 16:00 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 3/12/23 15:37, Phil Wyett wrote: > > Not to regurgitating info here, I will add a link below that will > > instruct how to adjust or disable oom-killer in a sensible manner if > > you wish to experiment (your choice and being

Re: Mailing List

2023-12-03 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David Wright wrote: > I'm subscribed, but I don't receive that badge of honour. > This is from my other post in this thread—no LDOSUBSCRIBER: > > > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=CAPINIT,FOURLA, > > HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,LDO_WHITELIST,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, > >

Re: Problema reportando bug

2023-12-03 Thread Camaleón
El 2023-12-02 a las 19:17 +, Aimar Urteaga escribió: >> Me acabo de comprar un portátil nuevo y he decidido instalarle la versión >> testing de debian. El portátil en cuestión es un framework con el procesador >> AMD Ryzen™ 7 7840U. El problema en cuestión es a la hora de conectar un >>

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread Phil Wyett
On Sun, 2023-12-03 at 14:59 +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > > On 3/12/23 14:46, Phil Wyett wrote: > > The first thing I would do before any other is to enable swap and see > > what benefits that brings. I have no production laptop or desktop > > (laptop with 32G being daily driver with NVME

Re: Isolated Web Co Session crash Firefox-ESR

2023-12-03 Thread jeremy ardley
On 3/12/23 15:37, Phil Wyett wrote: Not to regurgitating info here, I will add a link below that will instruct how to adjust or disable oom-killer in a sensible manner if you wish to experiment (your choice and being cautious :-)) if it is in fact the oom-killer algorithm that is the main