Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-18 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:15:57 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: [SNIP LOT OF REASONABLE THINGS (from The Wanderer)] I would add one thing to what you said, may be rants are filtered by devs (but that I doubt, intelligent people usually keep the temperature of their projects, even if

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:22:21 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: From the sound of things, I'd very much like to give Debian 8 the benefit of the doubt. I'll wait and see, if there are more posts and not dismiss it entirely. Until more information comes in down the road, it

Re: screen 0: in putty title bar

2014-09-18 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:33:18 +0100 Apero Maxx aero.max...@gmail.com wrote: PROMPT_COMMAND='printf \033k%s@%s:%s\033\\ ${USER} ${HOSTNAME%%.*} ${PWD/#$HOME/~}' Check ~/.bashrc for the right string. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-18 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:42:21 -0700 agr a...@consultores.ca wrote: I have been using Debian for almost 14 years continuosly, and i had to transfered 1 server to OpenBSD, because the comments in this list are uncertain; i can not wait for Jessi to do the transition. Could you tell us about

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:48:39 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Alas, poor Slavko ;-) I am sorry, i don't understand your reply (my poor English). Oh, sorry. I was referring to a line from Shakespeare into Hamlet (when he grabs a skull and talk to him: 'alas, poor Yorick…') --

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 19:01:59 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: So, I cloned the repo, compiled and installed. Now, network-manager does detect the adapter, but it says device not managed. If i run `iwconfig` in a terminal, the device appears as managed. The device is not detected by

Re: Faking it with skype

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 00:03:53 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: (unknown:4748): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 At 1st sight, I'd say that it needs a 32bits lib and found instead a 64bits one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:34:19 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: The island dates back to the end of the last Ice Age. And, sometimes, its mentality too ;-p) -- Chloé: What do you think about my font? William: Sorry, I don't talk font with a girl on the first evening

Re: No wireless support for RTL8192EE

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:51:02 +0300 softwatt softw...@gmx.com wrote: That's also understandable, hardware is a pain in the neck. :) That's a bit overestimated, I remember those days when not adding the right switche(s) to a module left the HW as good as dead (especially TV cards, it was a real

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-17 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:16:57 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: The decision has been made by the Debian TC. So be it. Yeah, the nsa also made the decision to infect a max of computers and phones among other things like spying on everybody… So be it? (usual defense: if you have

Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate

2014-09-16 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: If yes, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark ... Alas, poor Slavko ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Replacement RAID hard drives - do they have to be clean?

2014-09-16 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:03:41 -0400 Ken Heard kensli...@teksavvy.com wrote: My first question is: although both drives are the same size, can I get away with having one drive a Seagate 3.0 and the other Samsung 2.0? Indeed, this is a very recommended configuration, as HDz of the same brand (and

Re: But there is a choice to not use systemd (war: Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community)

2014-09-16 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:36:51 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists. Let it be, at this rate there will be blood (a lot) for Halloween ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Most of us are no interested in what Stallman or whoever created back in 1995. We don't think of Linux as GNU. Ahhh, so you are the declared and _democratically elected_ spokesman of, let's say 80% of the Linux community

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:32:45 +0200 Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote: I am not defending systemd programmers but, could you clarify what do you exactly mean by bad programming practices? Creating weird situations about things that used to work well for _years_ (eg: the kernel

Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community

2014-09-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:16:32 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I see only that he represented his views, which also happens to coincide with my own. Please, if you have to label someone, you've lost your argument's points from the get-go. :) Ric I don't wanna stigmatize

Re: trying to remove wicd

2014-09-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:37:02 -0700 tom arnall kloro2...@gmail.com wrote: How do I get rid of the stuff? apt-get install wicd apt-get purge wicd -- Men94 : You've got MSN? Aerendil : No, but I have a STD if you want. Men94 : cool send it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-14 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:53:50 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Have you actually tested (with hot-pluggable disks) what happens when one of the partitions the system is swapping to suddenly becomes unavailable or difficult to access and what happens when the data (on one of the

Re: OT: gas plant (was Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy -- Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs))

2014-09-14 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:52:24 -0400 (EDT) david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: for those unfamiliar with the french figurative use of the term gas refinery (usine à gaz): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg_machine#Similar_expressions_worldwide Oops, thanks Wes; I sometimes

Re: server backup

2014-09-14 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:56:35 -0600 Glenn English g...@slsware.net wrote: What do you server admins use for backup? Are you talking personally or professionally? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: USB bootable debian stick wont boot on 890FXA-GD65 mobo.

2014-09-14 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 03:37:57 +0300 Alexandros Prekates apreka...@openmailbox.org wrote: I wonder if my first mistake was that i used: #cp debian.iso /dev/sdb1 and not #cp debian.iso /dev/sdb It was, the 1st one address a partition, when the 2nd address the whole 'disk'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: need suggestion on Virtualization backup/DR site.

2014-09-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 08:53:55 -0400 Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: There's a handy web interface. If the machine to be backed up isn't reachable, it tries again later (1 hour by default). You can configure blackout periods, so no backups will take place during certain hours. You can

Re: Issues upgrading Wheezy -- Jessie (was ... Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:46:31 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: All interesting things you said, plus a bunch of other readings confort me in my first impression: Linux was becoming too much secured for the taste of agencies (and which better candidate than a gas plant that hammers its looong

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:56:48 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Multiplication is an algorithmic operation. Well, technically speaking, it is additions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:09:58 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: RAID doesn't provide data integrity even with ECC RAM. You still have much more chances to avoid writing a bad byte w/ ECC than with regular RAM, though. It only provides redundancy (with some RAID levels). Use ECC RAM and a

Re: need suggestion on Virtualization backup/DR site.

2014-09-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:58:48 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: I would use backuppc through ssh with the rsync method; this way, your VM would be fully reconstructible, band width wouldn't be clobbered and backup(s) wouldn't take much place. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Making keyboard remap changes permanent without reboot.

2014-09-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:48:50 +0300 Alexandros Prekates apreka...@openmailbox.org wrote: You are right. With fvwm the new settings are active all time. With the default xfce window manager the settings are lost after some time. Even if i reboot /etc/default/keyboard changes wont hold! So i

Re: need suggestion on Virtualization backup/DR site.

2014-09-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:57:57 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the input i really appreciate that. but i have a confusion to clear. if i use direct rsync and rsync with Backuppc what is the difference? First, backups are nightly compressed and same files are

Re: Making keyboard remap changes permanent without reboot.

2014-09-12 Thread Bzzzz
On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 01:53:57 +0300 Alexandros Prekates apreka...@openmailbox.org wrote: I checked slim's log , xorg's log and . .xsessions_error No luck. But i think i narrowed the failure trigger to the instant screensaver starts executing. Check also dmesg|less, /var/log/messages,

Re: 32 bit color depth with NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)

2014-09-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 00:07:48 -0400 Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: NVIDIA driver downloaded today. nvidia-settings shows color depth as 24 bit and offers no way to change that. I know this chipset is capable of 32 bit depths. What am I missing? You are missing 2 things: 1- color plans

Re: 32 bit color depth with NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2)

2014-09-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 07:17:27 -0400 Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com wrote: I'm afraid this is not correct. If I use, say, the VESA server, I can set color depth to 32 bits. This is correct, a tiny bit of self researches would have told you so (and if you don't trust me, try to get an integer

Re: Best way to pin a kernel

2014-09-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:27:46 -0700 Matt Ventura mattvent...@mattventura.net wrote: Quick question: I want Debian to not switch Grub2 to a new kernel when I update it, since I have a custom kernel on a particular machine. When I install a new kernel from apt, I don't want to immediately use

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:32:08 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Mounting swap partitions with the same priority does not provide redundancy. As RAID doesn't provide data integrity w/ regular RAM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-11 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:22:01 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Why would you say that? root denied access to sysctl keys (that doesn't even exist on my systems). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:08:31 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: That has been obsolete for at least a decade and may never have applied to Linux. IIRC it had to do with specific characteristics of BSD kernels. IIRC it was 1.5xRAM. Today, the only obligation is to have as swap as

Re: Making keyboard remap changes permanent without reboot.

2014-09-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 20:02:04 +0300 Alexandros Prekates apreka...@openmailbox.org wrote: Wanting to swap CAPSLOCK with CONTROL i changed /etc/default/keyboard and following debian wiki page on keyboard i executed: sudo udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change It worked! But

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:34:42 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: :~# sysctl -a|grep swap vm.swappiness = 90 error: Invalid argument reading key fs.binfmt_misc.register error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv4.route.flush' error: permission denied on key 'net.ipv6.route.flush'

Re: Searching in PDF-file broken?

2014-09-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 23:34:16 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: My money would still be on mangled font encodings rather than defective viewing applications. Yeah, evince says it is 'WinAnsi' encoded (those two 2 words contracted in one made me laugh;) Anyway, evince automatically

Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:53:37 -0700 Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: And, I guess, that then begs the further question: I love to RTFM, but what FM should I read for questions like these? Is there a FM for configuring Gnome? Gnome is evil, baaad FGnome, change gnome (use XFCE, you won't

Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 10:31:14 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Don't forget LXDE and OpenBox, they're great too. If you really want to get down and dirty, there's dwm and jwm. dwm is especially cool because the way you change its configuration is to edit its source and

Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:42:51 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: TDE can and does. Good to know that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:42:21 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: last.) KDE 3.5 worked beautifully. Which is, of course, why it was thrown away. ;-) I stopped with KDE when it came with the same look (and terrible functionalities) as vi$ta ;-p) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Brainydeal Receipt Printer

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 17:44:34 +0200 Thierry Chatelet tchate...@free.fr wrote: In PPD there is: *LandscapeOrientation: Plus90 Could that be it? Nope, I've the same in the PPD of my HP2100. Your PB might be related to a former order that switched to landscape (some printers save this in a

Re: Brainydeal Receipt Printer

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 18:12:12 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: For a blank sheet of paper Plus90 or Minus90 don't matter. For a blank sheet of paper with a letterhead or hole-punches it is significant. Shall we assume that the regular rotation is used? (that is: Plus = counterclockwise).

Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:14:10 +0100 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: Hey, I like KDE4 smile Chacon a son gout, as we might say in France :) No: 'chacun ses goûts'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 00:59:29 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: could run a command, and, RAM that is not currently in use by programs that are running, is freed? No, as the 'unused' RAM is in fact used for system caches. But you can change the swapping threshold:

Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 19:40:29 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: chacun à son goût Unfortunately for you, I'm french native; so the real expression is: à chacun ses goûts; which is commonly shorten in: chacun ses goûts in a sentence. There's also a variant: chacun ses goûts, la merde a

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 02:57:26 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, but, whatever I tried, I could never get Debian 6 to swap. It would just run out of RAM and freeze. But you ARE swapping (from your 2nd post): Swap: 428603401764372 41095968 if you weren't, the 2nd col.

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 03:30:40 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Alright, then; it is doing token swapping - with 99% of 16GB memory usage, and, swapping only 4% of (about) 40GB swap capacity, you can't seriously tell me that the swapping is working as it should be. Anyway, a swap of

Re: Query about existence of way to free up unnecessary RAM usage

2014-09-09 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 09 Sep 2014 22:21:07 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: To prevent an undesirable state of the system due to insufficient memory, you can use (a large amount of) swap space on a slow medium because that may give you a chance to do something before processes are being killed.

Re: black screen at start (if boot after a suspend)

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:53:55 -0400 Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: Your laptop is using some form of hibernation/suspension -- probably suspend-to-disk -- and when it tries to awaken from that state, it is not reinitializing your video card properly. Fixing suspend-to-disk, or else

Re: Forewarned is forearmed

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 15:43:46 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: My Wheezy machine doesn't run the loopback device lo on reboot. This means I can't access my local Dovecot server. I reboot so seldom I always forget this. I've wheezy and sid machines, none of them have ever

Re: Suddenly no wifi after routine jessie upgrade -- further details

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 23:21:05 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: I can't connect to wifi at all. Check the status of wpa-supplicant and test w/ another wifi wrapper (such as wifi-radar). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Canon PIXMA mg5420 or HP Photo Smart 7520

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 19:06:26 -0400 ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote: In need of a new printer, having done a bit or research, and considering either the Canon PIXMA mg5420 or the HP Photo Smart 7520. Avoid all-in-one junks. Just for the story, I saw some completely refusing to work just because

Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:05:56 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Not quite true, it seems. Now that I'm back at home, it connects to my home wifi just fine. So it looks as if I have trouble only when I want to connect to a different wifi than I connected to last time. This

Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:12:11 -0700 Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: All seems well, except that the “terminal” application (the “root terminal”, also) do not start when I click on the icon. Any thoughts on how to debug this? Install another terminal app (such as eterm) and test from it

Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:33:01 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Is it likely to be a systemd problem? Would it help to uninstall gnome? I was kidding (as systemd devs have the same dick heads as the gnome ones: they KNOW what's good for you). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Restricted wifi after routine jessie upgrade

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 00:28:41 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: Well, wifi-radar is available as a Debian package (though I can't find a wifi-supplicant package), and I found the wifi-radar wiki, so I suppose I can try that when I'm at the coffee shop next week. Or make a

Re: terminal doesn't come up in Jessie Beta-1?

2014-09-08 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:42:27 -0700 Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote: rbthomas@debian:/usr/bin$ gnome-terminal Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal:

Re: Make n-m not touch WWAN

2014-09-05 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:12:32 -0700 Matt Ventura mattvent...@mattventura.net wrote: I'll probably file a bug report somewhere about this, but in the meantime, is there a way to just get it to ignore the card? Or does enabling mobile broadband in the menu activate the card without really doing

Re: Make n-m not touch WWAN

2014-09-05 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:44:30 -0700 Matt Ventura mattvent...@mattventura.net wrote: They're dissociable in that they share a control channel (ttyUSB0 = control, ttyUSB1 = data, ttyUSB2 = GPS output) and they share the rfkill. (Could it be a rfkill bug?) Anyway, you're right: fill a bug. --

Re: in-kernel messaging (was Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-04 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 12:06:29 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: https://lwn.net/Articles/405346/ https://lwn.net/Articles/484203/ https://lwn.net/Articles/580194/ https://lwn.net/Articles/537017/ https://lwn.net/Articles/551969/ Thanks for these very interesting links.

Re: Network speed drop down to 10MBPS for unknown reason.

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:25:14 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: @Bzzz, cables are self made. Then did you respect the wiring code of colors, and what is the length of these? -- Ben BTW, why don't you have optical fiber in your building? Magus The last time I asked the property

Re: brasero requires systemd-sysv

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 11:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: I'd also like to know if there are any features of brasero that *really* require systemd to be used as the init system -- features that would not work with sysvinit. I'm hoping Michael or some other developers can chime

Re: brasero requires systemd-sysv

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:14:16 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: [SNIP] You are preaching to the choir, Wanderer ;) - From all that I read, my conviction is Linux was becoming way too secured, ssl too (despite of recent events), thus

Re: in-kernel messaging (was Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 21:38:47 +0100 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: Thanks for your very clear explanation, Jonathan. kernel support is pretty much essential to improve the performance of dbus. Lots of data is being passed over dbus by apps nowadays, and because it's an entirely

FTB in QT5

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
Hi list, I'm trying to compile pgmodeler (http://www.pgmodeler.com.br/wiki/doku.php?id=installation) from the tarball, but after a while, it FTB w/ this message: g++ -m64 -Wl,-O1 -o ../build/pgmodeler obj/main.o obj/application.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib64

[SOLVED] - Re: FTB in QT5

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:24:02 +0200 B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote: I totally missed this point: use 32bits packages of all requirements since the Qt framework (Mingw compiler) is available only in x86 arch. Sorry for the noise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: in-kernel messaging (was Re: brasero requires gvfs)

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 09:26:48 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: [SNIP] So, where is the solution then? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: apache2 what is the standard way to enable modules?

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:55:19 -0400 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: what is the name of cgi module? That would be very useful for the `a2enmod' cmd. And for something real simple like making sure it is installed. I see several files in [...]/mods-available with the string `cgi' in

Re: apache2 what is the standard way to enable modules?

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 22:19:35 -0400 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: cgi firing on all 8 cylinders. Comparing to nginx, I'd say: firing on 2 cyl/8 ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: apache2 what is the standard way to enable modules?

2014-09-03 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 22:32:19 -0400 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Oh oh, you'll have to explain that one... it went right over my head. Just not clever enough to follow your wit. Not that nginx is way faster than apache, but it copes much better with a huge number of connections. The

Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
Hi list, when awaking my laptop from sleep (not hibernate), I see very fugitive messages about pci problems on a console. No time to read it before X comes back to display, but I think it is sleep problems with some devices; which I'd like to exclude into tlp configuration. After a looong grep

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 09:44:36 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: Did you already check dmesg? That's where I usually find the messages which appear during a(n attempt at) suspend/resume. Of course, as I made a grep for 'pci' into /var/log … -- Thom : Today, if you download they

Re: Network speed drop down to 10MBPS for unknown reason.

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:44:39 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: i am using wheezy 7.x and for some unknown reason my network speed drop down to 10MBPS. i can see anything in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog related to the issue. when i restart the server it back to normal

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:41:26 +0200 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote: Then again, endless spreading of FUD on a list that is powerless to do anything about the situation, could, and should, be regarded as trolling. There is a good reason to keep FUD heated: the bigger and the deeper

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:13:02 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: I often find that there is text in dmesg which - to the best of my ability to determine - is not visible in any file under /var/log/. it is: /var/log/dmesg; furthermore,

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:05:33 -0700 Jimmy Johnson field.engin...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you should do some reading and maybe run Debian testing http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/ Hmm, this (sad) article raises a crucial question

Re: Where's the log

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 11:33:48 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: Ok for file≠command, both of you; anyway, I can't find my messages into either of them (and the originals are too fast to disappear to be taken in picture by my

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:04:45 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: You should worry more about your own assholes and morons (of course, that doesn't sell to the gallery as well, now does it?)

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:06:29 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: So which lists are you speaking of ? The systemd list, may be? OK, I -[] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:33:12 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Even if in some later version systemd works only with this kind of scheme ? I join John about that, Debian as the very best packaging system, moving to RPM would clobber any hope to stay in the lead, despite the A grade

Re: 2 GDM3 questions

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 19:59:05 +0200 Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl wrote: Background: When I login with GDM with an LDAP user GDM remembers this user and present them the next time. I've used some testusers with strange names and I would like to remove these users, because I want to make

Re: brasero requires gvfs

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:44:16 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: It didn't need systemd before, so why should it need it now? Hehe, because it sinks his claws deep and everywhere (it also plans to implant dbus _into_ the kernel (WTF? A kernel is here to kernelling and nothing else

Re: SRA, secure remote access?

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:40:10 -0700 pe...@easthope.ca wrote: Can Debian support this telnet SRA login to another system? May be this could help you: http://helpdesk.princeton.edu/kb/display.plx?ID=1157 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Can't reboot nor shutdown

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
Hi list, on my latptop (lightdm + XFCE) I can't reboot nor shutdown properly; each command ends with a black screen with a blinking cursor at top left and that's all. I waited several times more than 5 minutes, hoping some timeout was there, but nope; stopping with the power button isn't very

Re: Can't reboot nor shutdown

2014-09-02 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:26:32 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: Can't help you with the error message but to shutdown, have you tried the SysRq key? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key for details. This often gives you all kinds of ways of getting around an otherwise

Re: backup drive has died.

2014-09-01 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:19:01 +0100 Sharon Kimble boudic...@skimble.plus.com wrote: Error mounting /dev/sde1 at /media/boudiccas/back1: Command-line `mount -t ext4 -o uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid /dev/sde1 /media/boudiccas/back1' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: wrong fs type, bad

Re: backup drive has died.

2014-09-01 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 11:01:41 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: Drives are cheap nowadays. Assuming you can get the data off the drive, I can't see any good reason to trust it with your data again, even if you can reformat it and partition it. were it me, I wouldn't! --doug Glitches

[OT] - Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-01 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 13:26:09 -0400 Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org wrote: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html An article written by… one of the systemd devs……… We happen to learn that it'll also be _dependent_ on BTRFS and (may be?, when?) support EXT4

Re: backup drive has died.

2014-09-01 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:33:05 +1000 David bouncingc...@gmail.com wrote: smartmontools.org writes quite a lot on this topic: http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/FAQ#SmartmontoolsforFireWireUSBandSATAdiskssystems http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/USB

Re: backup drive has died.

2014-09-01 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:33:05 +1000 David bouncingc...@gmail.com wrote: OOPS, my bad (and many thanks for your links); it is working with the right switch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

2014-09-01 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 21:50:04 -0500 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: No, no. Make the kernel part of Systemd. And X as well. In this case, why not making only one package of the whole distro: systemd-all-in-one.deb-rpm-gz ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Errors at login : in which log can I get the message ?

2014-08-31 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:28:11 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: I submitted a bug, however I could not find those messages in any log : why ? With people considering their mistakes something that others must fix, expect a speedy closing w/o any explanation… If something is logged to

Re: portability of jigdo

2014-08-31 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: Looking around the docs I find that the easier part (1) is undocumented (or I didn't find any) Watch your step! From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jigdo: Jigdo is no longer undergoing active development, but is

Re: portability of jigdo

2014-08-31 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: Nowadays, P2P is the leader of this kind of download (the checksum insure no tampering of the whole). Dunno what you mean by P2P. Bittorrent? Yep. My understanding is that jigdo and bittorrent solve

Re: the Mysteries of asound.conf

2014-08-29 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:38:59 -0500 Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: Since the two sound cards are different in every way but their function, anything that differentiates one from the other should cause a predictable result every time. You have to fix that

Re: the Mysteries of asound.conf

2014-08-29 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:53:44 -0500 Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: That worked like a charm as far as I can tell. Thanks to both posters. I actually used the wrong module name for Card 1 and what happened was that the system came up after a boot only showing

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:05:58 -0400 AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: Off topic... on topic... and unthinking... systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment. Forever. For me... and leaving behind this useless mailing list -- too much spam. Take it as you

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-28 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:26:30 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: So let's see... Steve posts one message with a link in it, that at least several people find relevant, useful, and interesting - and immediately gets jumped on by umpteen people who complain about the initial

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