On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:58:26PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:59:01PM +, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:33:22AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
I've spoken to Brad Kuhn about this specifically.
ISTR speaking to him
for years before there was such a thing as a testing
distribution. debian-testing is supposed to be for organized testing of
the next release, and is largely dead because nobody's really doing the
necessary organization at the moment.
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On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 05:25:38PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:13:07PM +, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
My understanding is that the developer's account on the machine in
question had been disused for some time, and that the machine wasn't
very
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 05:29:19PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:39:38PM +, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
If somebody actually set up full scale enterprise-style global support
for Debian, then we'd be happy to link to them, and probably help them
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 06:33:24AM -0800, Tom wrote:
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 02:10:48PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
That looks excellent. There's already quite a lot of cooperation between
HP and Debian, with a number of Debian developers employed by HP and
improving the distribution
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 05:33:46PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
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On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 04:58:26PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
On a more practical note: copyright would pass
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an idea how long I will
have to wait for new packages if I am using Testing.
That varies. Are you thinking of any particular packages?
See http://www.debian.org/devel/testing for general details of how it
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Eh? The code is GPL. The person in question was perfectly aware of
this and licensed his code the same way. *No* liberties
-repository for
Sarge and Kde3.2. By the way will Kde3.2 be part of Sarge if becoming stable?
Not unless the KDE maintainers get a move on in a big way ... they
haven't even got round to getting 3.1.4 working properly yet. I suspect
3.2 will have to wait for sarge+1.
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they've been somewhat flooded by mails about it.
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with whatever the next flood turns out to be. Also, your mail may
have been held in queues elsewhere for a while.
Some bug reports may have been bounced during this period. If this
happened to you, or if your bug reports haven't appeared yet, now is a
good time to resubmit them.
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for a while, but these should
also work now.
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(No offence, but I haven't seen your name before. Are you requesting
complete list reorganizations without having posted much first? This is
often considered rather an ... abrupt ... way of joining a group.)
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get anywhere?
The GNU project's attitude to man pages is one of the reasons why I
decided that man-db should not be a GNU package, the other being that
copyright assignments would be a headache since one of the former
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using either stable or unstable, he's using testing.
libapt-pkg-perl is broken there at the moment; we need to get a new
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On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:32:16PM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
To openbsd ssh package is called ssh, however it contains the server and
the client (at least on woody, I don't know if this has changed).
It has not (yet).
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think they investigated,
but the results weren't particularly earth-shaking.
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(Disclaimer: I work for such a company, although you'd probably have to
do a bit of work at the moment to integrate our hardware smoothly with
gpg and ssh.)
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than enough of this stuff?
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://www.projekt1138.de the left are r?ckverlinkt automatically.
Looks partly like character set problems. prüfen, möglich, and
Möglichkeit are common German words, although rückverlinkt
(backlinked, I think) is probably jargon.
Certainly the grammar needs to be cleaned up a lot. :)
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be happy to link to them, and probably help them
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On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:42:39PM -0800, H. S. wrote:
This must be great then. I will try as soon it is released in Sarge.
Please try it *before* it's released, if you can, so that you can help
the debian-installer developers make sure that it's good enough for your
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boundaries as
narrow as possible. Of course, even with this, care is needed to make
sure that the data passed over the security boundary is not so
complicated as to take you back to square one.
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:) Once you
have it installed, it is not that bad, actually it is pretty nice. BTW,
if only Debian had a better installer, a HUGE bunch of Redhat users
would now be using Debian.
There are always if onlys, unfortunately ...
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See Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf(3); you're looking for report_safe.
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this package if not known?
I don't know. There's always general ...
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libmagick5-dev doesn't exist. I strongly recommend having only one
release listed there; you'll suffer much less confusion this way.
(I'd also suggest using a better package manager than apt-get, which was
originally just a test tool ...)
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is generally to avoid having to use
*core* libraries from unstable (e.g. libc6), not applications. Simply
installing extra applications shouldn't destabilize a Unix system.
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I've set followups to debian-user, which is more appropriate.
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less to spawn $EDITOR? 'v' would do that, for instance.
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looked at the new packages in detail.
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 02:13:58PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote:
On Tue, 2003-11-18 at 13:46, Colin Watson wrote:
Do these issues mean that migrating testing from 7.3.4-9 to 7.4-1 is
going to be a headache for testing, or that packages built against 7.4-1
will depend on = 7.4-1 due
filtering on $header_x-mailing-list: (or whatever the syntax
is; I think that's right) instead - much more reliable.
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no way one standard can serve
everyone's best interest. AFAIK distros don't even make use of FHS
dirs like/usr/local and /opt on installation.
Distributions aren't supposed to. Those directories are for the use of
the local sysadmin.
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a flamewar about the
flamewar and compounding the problem.
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for everyone else. Please show a
transcript, /etc/apt/sources.list, 'apt-cache show locales', 'apt-cache
show libc6'.
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Folks, could you please take this off-topic thread somewhere else,
perhaps to private e-mail? Let's get back to Debian.
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. See perlsec(1) and perl58delta(1) (the latter on
unstable, anyway; the text is in perldelta(1) on testing and missing on
stable).
It's better to write a small C program to do the job.
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'InputDevice Generic Mouse',
but that you've no InputDevice section with that identifier.
Perhaps you could post your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to the list?
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 07:11:10PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
Colin Watson writes:
$ cat /etc/debian_version
3.0
$ which tzsetup
/usr/sbin/tzsetup
It doesn't show up on the Stable system I'm using right now.
Some people uninstall base-config after they're finished
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:33:31PM +0800, csj wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 05:05:21 +0900,
Akira Kitada wrote:
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:08:11AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 07:47:37PM +0900, Akira Kitada wrote:
As the subject above implys, I'd like to print all
to dpkg than apt). Sorry.
In the special case where you want to move *everything* to a particular
tree, then you could use a chroot.
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:41:25AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
Does anyone per chance have 20.1 or later in /var/cache/apt/archives?
Please upload to ftp.madduck.net/incoming, I would be eternally
grateful!
You know about snapshot.debian.net, don't you?
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As the subject above implys, I'd like to print all of commands
executed in a shell script.
'set -x'
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The testing distribution started out as a copy of 2.2r2. It then took a
fair while to turn into something reasonable, but that's history now ...
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works, but I've seen many broken systems caused by injudicious use of
this feature so I don't recommend it.
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 03:28:22PM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
So, not compiling, is not a security risk ?
You should read the changelog to find that out.
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:~# apt-get remove --purge fireflies
dpkg --purge fireflies
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don't understand. Why would you need to write two sets of scripts?
My main problem is handling the variables. Is there a shell-portable
way to specify variables?
Not if you want them exported to subprocesses, no.
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at the moment, of course.
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pseudo-package.
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But isn't this group moderated
No, it's not.
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Hell no! It's the *root password*.
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in a way portable to both
Bourne-style shells and the C shell; they're incompatible. I suggest
ignoring the C shell for scripting and using /bin/sh.
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first. glibc will be ready soon, with any luck; perl is more or
less just waiting on glibc; most of the other GNOME stuff is
interdependent. Let's say a couple of weeks if things go well.
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stable, which is no longer installable on an otherwise testing system.
Try the version from unstable instead.
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dynamic *IP address*. People on dynamic IP addresses should always relay
mail through some other machine, such as their ISP's mail server. This
takes about a minute to configure and after that you won't notice it.
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of the filesystem. As
far as Windows is concerned the file most certainly does exist.
If you're writing to NTFS, then I think you're on your own as write
support in that filesystem driver is experimental, but that's a
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contains the non-freely-licensed documents that
used to be in doc-linux-text.
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shared object file: No such file or
directory
Failed to start the postmaster
Looks like you need to install the libkrb5-17-heimdal package. (Not sure
why it's looking for that rather than libkrb5.so.3, which is in libkrb53
and upon which postgresql depends ...)
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 11:53:12AM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
Ah, that would explain your confusion. 'apt-get upgrade' isn't what you
want, since as documented in the apt-get(8) man page it will not install
new packages. In particular, if you attempt to use 'apt-get upgrade
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 11:19:47AM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:41:50PM -0600, DePriest, Jason R. wrote:
Try adding this line to your /etc/apt/apt.conf file and see if you get
better results with your 'apt-get update':
APT::Default-Release
your X session
inside an ssh-agent. It shouldn't cause any kind of problem,
security-related or otherwise; it's just there if you want it.
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:31:42PM -0500, Marc Shapiro wrote:
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:57:02PM +, Richard Kimber wrote:
This may be a stupid question, but has consideration been given to
having a 'holding area' between testing and stable to which
from the System menu.
I dont like the idea that debian builds that jail
Please, talk about jails is completely over the top.
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to shut down, I think; so
it's not too silly. (You can probably configure it in other ways too.)
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What terminal emulator and shell are you using? This error usually means
that one or the other of them has screwed up SIGPIPE handling.
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:17:43PM +, Ben Edwards wrote:
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:08, Colin Watson wrote:
What terminal emulator and shell are you using? This error usually means
that one or the other of them has screwed up SIGPIPE handling.
bash gnome terminal
bash should be OK; try
[Please don't cc me; I read the list. Thanks.]
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 02:36:10PM +, Ben Edwards wrote:
On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 14:23, Colin Watson wrote:
bash should be OK; try a different terminal. xterm and pterm should both
work.
Tried xterm. I think there is a serous problem
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Oh, I see. Indeed, I don't think you can do that in xterm - at least it
doesn't appear to be documented if by some chance it is possible.
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are patching around problems in this area for sarge.
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match those against which glibc was compiled. You have to pick one;
you can't swap them in and out freely.
Again, the 2.6 headers are not broken. They're just different.
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:53:35AM +0800, csj wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 17:03:30 +,
Colin Watson wrote:
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:52:16PM +0800, csj wrote:
What precisely does this package do? It's listed as a dependency
of the latest libc6 packages (which I made the mistake
details but that's the meat and potatoes of it so to speak. :)
Then why is there really zero updates in testing?
That's just rubbish, sorry. (I help manage testing; I watch what it's
doing almost every day.)
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*? Could you please expand on that?
This was often the case with older versions of man-db, but shouldn't
happen on woody.
(Indeed, this has nothing to do with aptitude.)
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:16:18PM +0100, Christian Schnobrich wrote:
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 12:07, Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:59:10AM +0100, Christian Schnobrich wrote:
after installing a new package, sometimes the manpage is not available
until I run mandb myself. How
.
The errors say file not found, not permission denied. Therefore apt
is looking in the wrong place.
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:52:34PM +, Richard Kimber wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:21:44 +
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That's not true. KDE 3 went in just a few days ago (albeit somewhat
broken for now)
Indeed.
What would be really helpful would be if there was some
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IRC channels are the best you're likely to do for running guidance. If
there's really serious hose-your-system breakage then somebody usually
posts
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:00:39AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
I think your Packages file is screwy. Can you please post:
* the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list;
* the first block of text from /storage/debs/Packages or
/storage/debs/Packages.gz
that need kernel headers should make and use sanitized
private copies of the relevant interfaces in kernel headers. They should
never care about what happens to be in /usr/include/{linux,asm}.
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, but since I can't copy from xterm (don't know if it is
broken or I'm expecting too much of it),
To copy from xterm, highlight the region you want to copy with the left
mouse button. To paste somewhere else, middle-click.
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:00:32PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:37:04PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
That hierarchy [/usr/include/{linux,asm}] is chiefly for glibc's
internal use; applications were never supposed to use it directly.
If these are supposed
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:48:59AM +0800, csj wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 16:37:04 +,
Colin Watson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:47:17AM +0800, csj wrote:
Maybe it's time to file a serious bug report against
linux-kernel-headers. IMHO there should at least be two header
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:51:45PM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote:
Colin Watson wrote:
Joe Rhett wrote:
If testing is what is supposed to be the next release, then it seems
pointless to even bother. Testing still has Mozilla 1.0. That's what,
2 years old?
We're working
have to run a 2.6 kernel.
Ignore this package (but leave it installed) unless you're hacking on
glibc.
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for this is to
upgrade just the xserver-xfree86 package. Since there's no need to
upgrade the whole of XFree86 it's quite simple to use a newer server
even if you're running a distribution that doesn't include it.
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