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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:41:14 CDT
From: Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ARGH!!!
Yesterday mornign, I let unstable update itself. Once more, the mail was
clobhered.
Since I had an hour or two, and there were odd things about the disk, i decided
it woudl be a good time to wipe the disk.
Eventually, I figured out that most of my troubles comes from my maxtor 8.4
Upon more fiddling, I find that sendmail is listening on port 25, and
mailq informs me that there have been attempts at communication:
eyry:/home/hawk# mailq
Mail Queue (8 requests)
--Q-ID-- --Size-- -Q-Time- Sender/Recipient
QAA015758 Thu
Yesterday I upgraded some packages, including smail. Coming in this morning,
there was no new mail, which is more than a little odd. Apparently smail was
no longer running; trying to stop the daemon failed. I restarted it, and mail
begain appearing. But Every message is accompanied by an
I have heard of some problems with AMD K6 Anyone to comment?
The reason is because I have a K6 200 right beside me. :)
There was a minor bug that was fixed some months ago. In repeated compiles,
it would attempt to execute an occasional instruction twice. THis has been
fixed, and all
hmm, I now also noticed that there is a file @ in my home directory, which is
a symbolic link to the current message in exmh. I don't think this used to be
the case. and after a reboot, the smail daemon had to be manually started
again.
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David Guadine wrotem,
I had to rerun smail-config and specify using a daemon instead of
an inet.d entry. (I got that from reading debian-devel.) But, apparently
you were already using a daemon; there's obviously something here I don't
understand, but try what I did anyway.
Just tried this,
err, just pwd should do it
rick
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When I try to run the setup for StarOffice, I get a
eyryttyp4:hawk/usr/lib/StarOffice-3.1/setup
StarOffice3.1 Installation Tool
Segmentation fault
Today I saw a posting in a nesgroup claiming that a minimum of libc5-5.4.38 is
necessary. Debian seems to stop at .33.
However, there's enough
Bob Nielsen wrote,
I think the requirement is : 5.4.4. In anycase, it works fine for me with
5.4.33.
The next magic question, is are you using hamm or bo, and should it make a
difference?
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On Tue, 9 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a question for you... What happens to the Linux partitions sitting
in a
extended partition if the extended partition gets accidently _trashed_?
(like from a virus)
I assume it does the same thing as trashing a primary
After playing for an extended period with the default settings, I finally
figured out why my sound card wouldn't work: the defaults in the kernel
package use Irq 7 rather than 5. Isn't 5 the standard on this?
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jen jorgensen wrote,
standard? Surely you jest. Yeah, it's also the standard for a lot
of other ISA cards whose manufacturer decided that 5 should be the
standard IRQ for their board. I believe this myth has originated
because the Creative Labs Soundblaster board factory-defaults to an
IRQ
I got somewhat farther in hunting down twin, and some advice from their side.
It seems that there are libc functions not present in our version.
Particularly,
unsigned int * _dl_find_hash(char *, char *, int , char *, int);
^^^
and
Run liloconfig, and answer the questions it asks you appropriately.
Is this the right program? all three questions are yes/no types, rather than
allowing me to change them. It wants to use /dev/hda3, /, for boot, and has no
option to change to /dev/hda1.
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I forget where current is linked, but isn't it to unstable?
Anyway, here is my solution:
1) boot dos off a floppy with networking, and use dos fdisk. Make a dos
partition where you want your swap partition.
2) go to an ftp, and cd /debian/stable/disks-i386
download resc1440.bin,
How can I configure a Debian 1.3.1 box to read and write on/to Mac
diskettes and which programs can I use ?
You can't. The pc type drive is physically incapable of handling the mac
format.
The solution is to use pc format disks, which both the mac linux can read
write.
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I've seen the 1FA business before, but now that I've managed to move my file
system over to my new drive, and lilo'd it, I get a 3FA: after the hardware
check. The key sequence A1 (i think) will get me to LILO, which will boot if
left alone. I checked and I'm not touching the keys as it
My new drive came, and i'm trying to do a fresh install, as some stuff got
tossed in strange places a few months ago.
I've already found that base-files.deb won't install onto a raw file system,
so I have the .tgz untarring at the moment (gee, this maxtor is louder than i
expected). ANd the
I've figured out enough of where everything is to get the web server running,
and it indeed comes up with the pages correctly. However, I don't have the
tool type of file working for some reason. Instead of executing, their text
merely loads. And these are generally suid scripts; these are
hmm, the on again, off-again linux/486/xterminal project seems on again :)
What we're doing is turning 486's into xterminals for our alphas. They'll
only have about 8mb, and from 80-200 of hd, but what the heck :)
I have seized control of some spare drives, and want to dedicate a 200mb hard
I sent a note about this problem a week or so ago and got back some mailer
daemon error messages so I'm not sure it made it. I apologize if this is a
duplication. I'm having trouble with xdm. Every couple times the user
exits the window manager, the machine hangs with a black screen and red
Do her grandparents have a un*x box?! Why not just send it as an
attachment?
Doh!
I should have thought of that. I'd assumed for some reason that xfases was
mime, rather than part of x. grr.
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I've found some more information out since the last post, and Bruce's
suggestions.
It seems that the items not found by configure are only needed for some other
specific systems, and that these are not a problem.
THere is a problem, though, in that twin's debugger is still using two
In a fit of cleverness, I used a digital camera to take my daughters picture
to send in an email as an xface to her granparents. However, as I go through
the manpage for xfaces, and the help preferences for exmh, I can only find
instructions for receiving, not sending.
Can someone point me
does anyone have an idea which card I should select in XF86Setup? I really
would like to use a resolution like 1024*769 in 32bit color - is this
possible with the X-SVGA server - or du I need to install anotherone?
If you click on the advanced options after you choose your card in XF86Setup,
I assume these exist. I read instructions for NFS a couple of summers ago.
But I can't find them, and the man page for NFS is only instructions for
/etc/fstab.
Are there HowTo's for these hding somewhere? I want pop-3 to get the messages
from another machine (in my office) for the rest of
frank wrote,
Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
They work wonderfully. I have a k6-166 running at 210/83
quite happilly. However, it needs some cooling at this
speed; until i get something more than this cheesy $2 fan,
I need to keep the side off to compile (but not at
166/66
There was some discussion about this a couple of months ago, but with a 486,
as well as a configuration that let me play with it without compiling, I
didn't follow everything.
Now I'm trying to build it, and during configure get:|
checking for dnet_ntoa in -ldnet... (cached) no
checking for
Hammish wrote,
On Wed, Nov 26, 1997 at 02:15:49PM +0600, Rick Hawkins wrote:
They work wonderfully. I have a k6-166 running at 210/83 quite happilly.
However, it needs some cooling at this speed; until i get something more
than
this cheesy $2 fan, I need to keep the side off
Dale wrote,
It seems that none of the solutions presented allowed sed to find and
replace the -newline character pair.
Now that it's phrased that way, a memory arises.
I was trying to make filters to make articles posted to a mailing list
readable a while back (my ISN hardware would freeze
I'm getting dependencies on this,which claims not to exist on debian's ftp
site. Is there somewhere to get it?
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No, elf-x11r6lib doesn't exist, any package that depends on it should have
a bug reported against it.
OK, where do i look for ino on this, and check to see that it's not already
done? I know that there's bugtracking, but i haven't paid much attention.
It's xforms.86, by the way.
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They work wonderfully. I have a k6-166 running at 210/83 quite happilly.
However, it needs some cooling at this speed; until i get something more than
this cheesy $2 fan, I need to keep the side off to compile (but not at 166/66).
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Can someone give me (or point me to) info on which chips are affected?
steppings 9731 (or so) and earlier. These are no longer on the market, and AMD
replaces them for linux users and others who could really be affected. (It's
really hard to trigger the bug; compile the kernel 100 times or
intallation telling which disk to choose in intalll Debian? I want to
intall Debian in disk D but I am afraid of losing the old win95 data on
disk C. Before I am sure about this, I don't dare to proceed. Anyone cares
D in linux parlance is likely to be /dev/hdb, but check it out. At
TO my happy surprise, this old fdomain 1610 scsi controller is happy as a
peach at an 83mhz bus (it's an EISA card). And it happily talks with the scsi
zip drive I bought for a mac last year.The floppy drive didn't seem to
survive the transistion to the new board (they're old, wiht
I finally have netscape 3.01 installed and working. But my links don't show
as followd; there is no difference between used new links. Expiration is
set at 9 days.
any ideas?
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I've installed communicator 4.03 successfully on my debian 1.3.1, 2.0.30
kernel system and all works fine. I would like to know what the advantage
is to using the installer package rather than the install script that comes
with the communicator package from netscape. I know that dselect
The only advantage I know of is that netscape does some stupid things when
installing, among them placing files in ~root/.netscape/ that should go in
$MOZILLA_HOME/.netscape/ - other than that, I can't really see any
advantages (which reminds me that I should submit as a bug against this
What's the deal with xdm? My understanding was that that was the program
used to login under X, without having to login from a console and then
issue a startx command. During installation I told the program I wanted
to start X with xdm; I see a message when I boot about xdm being started,
Hello,
Being brandnew to Debian, I am having lots of trouble getting
netscape3.01.
I first tried under dselect and got a error (1?), then tried ftp to both
debian (contrib) and netscape. I can't find it anywhere. I then went back
to dselect and started from the top of the menu and followed
I suggest you sort on X-Mailing-List: rather than To:
Yes, using characters out of To: does seem kind of pointless. THere's plenty
of filtering software out there.
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john scroggins asked,
i am having a time setting up my ppp connection ... i want to run daild
but i cannot seem to be able to configure it ...
i continue to get various error messages as follows
diald[182] you must define the remote ip address
daild[182] you must define the local ip
I recall a discussion about finding orphaned files a couple of months ago.
Particularly, hunting down things in /usr/bin, /usr/lib that got installed
from outside of debian packages.
But i don't remember what the solution was.
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My new video card has arrived, a diamond stealth video 2500. I've tried to run
XF86Setup, but am not getting anything usable.
I tell it which card, and for monitor have tried both the can do 1280x1024 at
60hx, and actually entering the ranges for my machine, 30-66 and 55-130.
It successfully
OK, Ive gotten it working. Turns out that for some reason it wasn't changing
the default xserver to svga, but leaving it at S3.
But Now I have artifacts. Lots of them. ANd many of them scroll in windows.
I've got white ones, blue ones, and black ones. Forcing the redraw of a
window helps
this error only happened after upgrading to libc6, which i did by
following the instructions in the mini-howto. does this mean i have to
upgrade all of X also?
brad
Well, you probably should, even though this error doesn't mean that you
need to. Check your /etc/ld.so.conf file
parts of my new machine have arrived at the office, so now it's fast
enough to be more than an xterminal (this isn't the same machine that's
having the troubles with PAP/PPP).
So I installed netscape. But I get the message,
yryttyp1:hawknetscape
netscape: program is version 3.01, but resources
I cheerfully set out to compile a new kernel on my new k6. fast. wow.
but i'm getting odd messages during make zImage:
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30/include -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -m486
-malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2
From the log you included in your message I see that another peer
does not respond to anything except echo-requests. I don't know what
stage you are on though, could you please send the complete log.
(I don't see, for example, how pap authorization came through)
here's
we should have started with posting your files :)
defaultroute /dev/modem 38400 persist
for pppd being able to understand which line in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
to use.
AH-HAH!yes, this did it. thank you, thankyou, thank you. I'm now
connected through the isp.
Should this be part
hmm. after putting my new pieces together, i've lost write permissions
in /tmp
lyx can't create its temporary directory, emacs sometimes gets a
permission denied to make /tmp/emacs when sending mail, and exmh has
similar problems:
error while autoloading Cache_Init: can't create directory
I am using a program that requires several colors available to operate
ptoperly. For example, if netscape is open and I use the other program,
whenever I enter its window with the mouse pointer, all the colors outside
that window change.
do you need the programs at the same time? If you
I just totally give up with this. Running debian 1.3.1 from CD but now I feel
I need to delve into unstable again (always happens). Thing is, unstable has
moved dir`s in the distribution and I`ll be damned if I can get the right
entries into dpkg-ftp to download from it. What paths do I put
Bob asked,
Did you perhaps restore from backup? If for example you use
tar, permissions on files created (including /tmp) are
affected by umask. Root's default umask is 022 which blocks
out write permission for group and others. Two ways to
avoid this are: set umask to zero before
Olivier THaran wrote,
tells me that the x86 has no ret function.
hmm, as i write this, the next one was a sig11. maybe i'm not coooled
enough to run this 166 at 200 (el-cheapo fan that came with it).
It clearly means that, if you overclocked your K6, the hardware is so
stressed
To see N last lines do: tail -N /var/log/messages
Well, just as I thought, ppp is not started on the other end.
I suggest you to call this number in minicom, see the login: or
something similar prompt, respond to them. You would see then
some othe kind of prompt, like BLA-BLA or some
Is there a way to get it to keep the whole log, rather than the last 20
or so entries? I haven't found it yet.
To see N last lines do: tail -N /var/log/messages
ok, i thought that these were being put somewhereelse forsomereason.NN
Well, just as I thought, ppp is not started on the other
I've bumped the debug level, as suggested. It gives me all kinds of
messages, which make absolutely no sense to me :( I've clipped them, in
pieces (still haven't figured out how to increase plog's length).
This all is after the notice that the ppp connection has been made, but
before it works.
From the log you included in your message I see that another peer
does not respond to anything except echo-requests. I don't know what
stage you are on though, could you please send the complete log.
(I don't see, for example, how pap authorization came through)
Without the debugging, It
It just occurred to me that I haven't set anything for PPP to tell it an
initial route to the world, other than including the nameserver IP's in
/etc. Is there something I should be setting in /etc/options_out?
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I can't quite get this combination to work.
changing /etc/ppp/pap so that the last line is now
hawk * mypassword
Don't you mean pap-secrets?
err, yes :)
I commented out the expect ogin: and expect word: ion
ppp.chatscript, which instead gives me an alarm and a failure to
trying again; i'mdialed in on a horrible university network . . .
george bonsur wrote,
On 15-Nov-97 Rick Hawkins wrote:
I can't quite get this combination to work.
changing /etc/ppp/pap so that the last line is now
hawk * mypassword
Don't you mean pap-secrets?
err, yes
Another way to solve that blinking problem is to boot up from floppy,
and edit /edc/X11/config to remove the xdm start line. Or login from
another machine, if it has a network connection.
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I can't quite get this combination to work.
My ISP uses PAP, and msoft's Internet Exporer connects rightout of the
box (well, if you consider the Dark Side as working . . . :).
I can dial up with pon, after:
putting the numbers in /etc/ppp.chatscript
adding user hawk to /etc/ppp.opetions_out
I wish I knew enough about the details here to phrase this right, but
anyway:
I need to test software that uses a browser to control it. That is,
news web accounts on the server are administratively controlled
through web pages from other machines. (the server runs apache).
To test this, I
Joeey Hess wrote,
My approach has been to add something like this to /etc/inittab:
X:2:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/X -indirect foo
Then you don't need to log into the local computer, X is started
automatically on boot querying the server. And if X crashes, it is
automatically restarted by
We'd like to set up some boxes that come up as xterminals, to be used on
the remote connections. I've found the -querey type options for startx,
but not for xdm. We really just want to turn old hardware into remote
heads on alphas. Can anyone make any suggestions?
Let's call the
We'd like to set up some boxes that come up as xterminals, to be used on
the remote connections. I've found the -querey type options for startx,
but not for xdm. We really just want to turn old hardware into remote
heads on alphas. Can anyone make any suggestions?
rick
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I have tried to upgrade to the libc6 X. All was going alright apart from
some ldso warnigs when I upgraded xlib6, most of which went away when I
installed xlib6-altdev and installed xlib6g and xlib6g-dev. I upgraded
all the other stuff and all seemed fine. Then I tried running X -query
I've just been given the goahead to take over a project, in which there
are linux boxes being used about the state as mail servers and mail
monitors.
Currently, it all works, but is a set of kluges running slackware.
Ultimately, the machines will be switched over to debian (or possibly
redhat,
Slap me if you've tried this, but turning numlock on in X does all sorts
of funky things to alt and function keys. I often find (particularly
using forms in netscape) that I turn on numlock, and then spend half an
hour trying to figure out why my keyboard doesn't work anymore ... turn
off
There was some discussion of this a month or two ago, and I don't recall it
coming to a conclusion.
At times, the keystrokes for fvwm2 simply stop working. Particularly,
alt-arrow to shift virtual screens, alt-f9 (to icocnify) and the like, and teh
alt-click combinations to move windows
rob writes,
Rick Hawkins writes:
Has anyone else had a problem with this? It utterly hangs X, beyond
restarting X. I can still telnet in, but halting the xdm daemon
restarting
isn't enough to recover the keyboard. For that matter, it requires an
actual
power down
has anyone converted the mit kerberos packages to debian? I've taken a couple
of not-so successful stabs (actually, for afs, but they're interwtined).
Alien reports a gaggle of unusual executable locations while executing.
Also, i'm worried about the lack of debian dependency information; as
Has anyone else had a problem with this? It utterly hangs X, beyond
restarting X. I can still telnet in, but halting the xdm daemon restarting
isn't enough to recover the keyboard. For that matter, it requires an actual
power down (but there are some strange hardware problems on this
I think it's a hardware problem. attempting xfishtank repeatably causes the
problem again.
SHutting off power and restarting solves it. Rebooting alone does not.
I'm just hoping this system stays in one piece long enough for the shuttle 603
to actually be availalbe for purchase . . . on a
My X has died and won't come back. I had several windows open, making
lyx, running dselect, and a few windows on an alpha. Then I attempted
to try xfishtank, and the display froze. No mouse, no keyboard, no
nothing.
I telnetted to the alpha from another machine, and all of the jobs were
gone,
remove
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On a similar vein, has anyone managed to make debian kerberos machines talk
this way?
mit has .rpm packages of kerberos afs. However, alien gives plenty of
nonstandard executable location errors when converting. Also, kerberos
versions of some programs should (apparently) replace regular
Xfs is running, but have you configured your xserver to use it? I did it by
modifying my XF86Config, commenting out my old FontPath, and adding:
# Use font server.
FontPath tcp/localhost:7100
This seems to do it. Shouldn't the configuration program have done this when
it asked
As near as I can tell, x is not using xfs. This is a poor little 486/33, and
the documentation for lyx uses postscript fonts which call for rendering. It
substantially pauses for a few minutes while doing so.
(when this has been hashed out before, it seems to have to do with the xserver
I'm having a devil of a time getting this set up right; I'm not sure
that I'm following the instructions properly.
I have a debian 1.3 system.
I've set up smail as satellite, with eyry.econ.iastate.edu as the
identifier for mail from my system, and iastate.edu as the correct reply
to system.
In one of those strange turns of events, a professor here has hired me to
consult for his computer chain on Linux. Having twins on the way, I'll take
the extra couple of hundred a month.
Anyway, the systems are remote; they are mail servers for schools throughout
the state. They seem to
Sometime after I first started talking with the press about i2o,
someone pointed out that the i2o group had left their standard document
(about 500 pages) on their anonymous FTP server. Wired News published
the URL, and thousands of people downloaded copies of the i2o standard
before the i2o
john wrote,
This is the part that baffles me. Do you really believe that users who
won't buy 1.3.1 because 1.3.2 is out will buy 1.3 revision 1 after 1.3
revision 2 comes out?
actually, yes. I know the schemes are identical, but I think that revision
off to the side doesn't sound as much
bruce wrote,
We want it to be easy for people to upgrade. However, it's currently
difficult for people who had 1.1 on their systems to upgrade to 1.3,
because the best way to do this was to install 1.2 and then 1.3 . You can
go straight from 1.1 to 1.3, but I hear this is much more
They could have not followed anything past the guy that caused it.
Now they can.
With all due respect, I think you have it backwards. Now, the
corporation protects not just those beyond the guy that caused the
problem. It even protects that particular guy.
you are correct.
However,
bruce wrote,
2. Please don't start with the assumption that I am a corporate robber
baron whenever you argue about Debian policy.
2a) If you do make this assumption, please send him enough money to act like
one. Say, Stanford's endowment . . .
:)
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bruce wrote,
From: Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
However, were an individual programmer to incure liability (the only
way I can think of off hand is by deliberately caused harm, such as
sneaking in a disk eraser), the corporation won't protect that
individual.
We would likely pursue
Dave Cinege wrote,
Yes you have. I'm saying the work done be the people outside the US is now
asscoiated with a US entity. It's not 'theirs' anymore, while it is in the US.
this is not true, in any sense of the word. The difference between debian
unincorporated or incorporated makes
jan vroonhof wrote,
Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
3) Liability. The corporation is legally a person. If someone got
the bright idea to sue Debian (for whatever reason, including
frivolous), individuals would be liable without incorporation.
Incorporated, individual
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote:
The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me,
and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has
always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government
One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be
tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status
with the US IRS first.
Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA.
and of what harm? if there's enough interest from outside
I'm trying to get exmh running, but am running into multiple troubles. The
faw hints at solutions, but . . .
1) BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command
ignored
the faq says that this is usually a problem with TK
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I've tried to solve this from the faq, but it only hints at solutions.
1)
exmh: Scanning for nested folders ...
BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command
ignored
The faq refers to recompiling over xauthority. I seriously doubt this is
necessary (or, there
On this machine, I found it easier to adjust the monitor than xvidtune. It
stores 10 or so custom settings, so it automatically returns to the correct
configuration.
rick
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I have one PC with a 6 gig disk for Linux only (the Linux PC).
I have another two PCs with Windows 95 (the Windows PCs). I would
like to able to use Linux on either of the two Windows PCs.
I don't have enough space on these PCs to install all the linux
software I would like. I can only
My question to you is how do you find them (which one do you think is
best; if there is such a thing as 'best'). Any particular features etc
you prefer on one over the other?
Redhat is *far* easier to install on a slow machine. After installation
is another matter :)
Redhat's
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