Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, March 05, 2020 01:56:27 PM Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 10:11:55AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >On Thursday, March 05, 2020 03:27:09 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:53:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> >

Re: Subject: Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread David Wright
On Thu 05 Mar 2020 at 18:01:57 (+), G.W. Haywood wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, 0...@caiway.net wrote: > > > -dsr- wrote: > > > > > > There used to be (still?) a set of Western Digital drives that > > > would go into a hard sleep and park their heads repeatedly. This > > > tended to cause a

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 10:11:55AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, March 05, 2020 03:27:09 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:53:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > That is lieing to the user, and not nice at all. Disable your caches! now! What? Your

Subject: Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, 0...@caiway.net wrote: > -dsr- wrote: > > There used to be (still?) a set of Western Digital drives that > would go into a hard sleep and park their heads repeatedly. This > tended to cause a shortened lifespan as well as terrible > performance. > with cron: #

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread Klaus Singvogel
David Wright wrote: > > Wha not using "hdparm"? > > Would you be more specific and include the options you are suggesting. > There are over 60 available, some dangerous. I don't use hdparm anymore and can't memorize. But I'd gone to Google, and they tell me: "hdparm -I /dev/sdX -S 0" Regards,

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread Tixy
On Thu, 2020-03-05 at 11:18 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 05 Mar 2020 at 08:26:58 (+0100), Klaus Singvogel wrote: > > 0...@caiway.net wrote: > > > with cron: > > > # prevent disks from sleeping, every minute: > > > * * * ** /bin/touch /dev/sda &>/ > > > > Wha not using

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread David Wright
On Thu 05 Mar 2020 at 08:26:58 (+0100), Klaus Singvogel wrote: > 0...@caiway.net wrote: > > with cron: > > # prevent disks from sleeping, every minute: > > * * * ** /bin/touch /dev/sda &>/ > > Wha not using "hdparm"? Would you be more specific and include the options you are

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, March 05, 2020 03:27:09 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:53:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > That is lieing to the user, and not nice at all. > > Disable your caches! now! > > What? Your computer is just 1/3 as fast as it used to be? > >

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-05 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:53:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > That is lieing to the user, and not nice at all. Disable your caches! now! What? Your computer is just 1/3 as fast as it used to be? Computing is about lying -- and trying to not get caught. Cheers -- t signature.asc

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Klaus Singvogel
0...@caiway.net wrote: > with cron: > # prevent disks from sleeping, every minute: > * * * ** /bin/touch /dev/sda &>/ Wha not using "hdparm"? Regards, Klaus. -- Klaus Singvogel GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D 1994-06-27

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread 0...@caiway.net
> There used to be (still?) a set of Western Digital drives that > would go into a hard sleep and park their heads repeatedly. This > tended to cause a shortened lifespan as well as terrible > performance. > > -dsr- > with cron: # prevent disks from sleeping, every minute: * * * **

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 04 March 2020 22:26:34 Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:53:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >On Wednesday 04 March 2020 18:49:06 Michael Stone wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> >On Wednesday 04 March 2020 12:48:57

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:53:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 04 March 2020 18:49:06 Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >On Wednesday 04 March 2020 12:48:57 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >>* I suspect most of us don't know whether

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-03-04 06:47, Tony van der Hoff wrote: I guess I'll go with s single SSD onto which I'll copy the data from the RAID. I would advise disconnecting the RAID, doing a fresh install onto the SSD, updating and configuring to suit, reconnecting the RAID, and then copying data. Be sure

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 04 March 2020 18:49:06 Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >On Wednesday 04 March 2020 12:48:57 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >>* I suspect most of us don't know whether our disks are spinning > >> 24/7 -- some of my computers are

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 06:39:51PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 04 March 2020 12:48:57 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: * I suspect most of us don't know whether our disks are spinning 24/7 -- some of my computers are up 24/7, but I suspect the disks "spin down" when unused for some

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 04 March 2020 12:48:57 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, March 04, 2020 09:47:47 AM Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Gene didn't address my problem, but made the very useful observation > > that disks spinning 24/7 don't really die. Perhaps I shouldn't worry > > about replacing

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 3/4/20, Dan Ritter wrote: > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> some of my computers are up 24/7, but I suspect the disks "spin down" when >> >> unused for some period of time > > Some do, some don't. Drives sold as "laptop" or "green" drives > are more likely to do so by themselves. > > There used

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2020 04 Mar 10:02 -0600, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 02:47:47PM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Gene didn't address my problem, but made the very useful observation > > that disks spinning 24/7 don't really die. Perhaps I shouldn't worry > > about replacing them. > >

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Dan Ritter
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, March 04, 2020 09:47:47 AM Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Gene didn't address my problem, but made the very useful observation > > that disks spinning 24/7 don't really die. Perhaps I shouldn't worry > > about replacing them. > > I wouldn't count on that,

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, March 04, 2020 09:47:47 AM Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Gene didn't address my problem, but made the very useful observation > that disks spinning 24/7 don't really die. Perhaps I shouldn't worry > about replacing them. I wouldn't count on that, for two reasons: * everything

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Wed, 4 Mar 2020, grumpy wrote: if new drive is the same size or larger install new drive boot using usb drive, i use systemrescuecd dd if=old_drive of=new_drive If there might be any problem with readability on source disc sectors, then 'ddrescue' is far superior to plain old

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 02:47:47PM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Gene didn't address my problem, but made the very useful observation that disks spinning 24/7 don't really die. Perhaps I shouldn't worry about replacing them. the speed advantages are such that I try to avoid spinning disks

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread grumpy
On Wed, 4 Mar 2020, Tony van der Hoff wrote: On Monday 02 March 2020 06:28:58 Tony van der Hoff wrote: Hi, I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running fine, I'm becoming a bit concerned about the

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-04 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On Monday 02 March 2020 06:28:58 Tony van der Hoff wrote: Hi, I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running fine, I'm becoming a bit concerned about the longevity of this storage, so I'm planning to

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-03 Thread Geoff
Andy Smith wrote: Just as you have two HDDs in a RAID array for redundancy, you should not rely on a single SSD. If you cannot afford two SSDs then I second the suggestion to replace one of the HDDs with the SSD and set the HDD write-mostly. Do also check the exact sector counts as it is

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 02 mar 20, 10:39:11, Dan Ritter wrote: > > file-level copying is better than block-level copying when going > between drives of different technologies. +1 on this. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Tony, On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 11:28:58AM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > My plan would be to install the SSD in the cage, and dd the contents of the > array onto the SSD. I would then change the BIOS to boot from the SSD, > making the RAID array redundant. Just as you have two HDDs in a

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread deloptes
Michael Stone wrote: > -1, unecessary busy work +(-1) configurations grown during the years broken - hard to restore

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 3/2/20 6:52 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Tony van der Hoff writes: > >> Hi, >> I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with >> a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running >> fine, I'm becoming a bit concerned about the longevity of this >>

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 02:22:45PM -0500, Sarunas Burdulis wrote: On 3/2/20 2:19 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-03-02 03:28, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Hi, I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread Sarunas Burdulis
On 3/2/20 2:19 PM, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-03-02 03:28, Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with >> a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running >> fine, I'm becoming a bit concerned about the

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-03-02 03:28, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Hi, I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running fine, I'm becoming a bit concerned about the longevity of this storage, so I'm planning to upgrade it to

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread deloptes
basti wrote: > Why you do not simply prepare the SSD (partition/align) and after that > add the SSD as 3rd drive to the raid? > > When all is synced you can kick off the HDD's or that them to "Write > mostly". +1 However partitioning is still required, but the best way to copy the data is to

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tony van der Hoff writes: > Hi, > I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with > a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running > fine, I'm becoming a bit concerned about the longevity of this > storage, so I'm planning to upgrade it to a 500GB or

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread basti
On 02.03.20 16:39, Dan Ritter wrote: > Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with a >> 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running fine, I'm >> becoming a bit concerned about the longevity of this storage, so I'm

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread Dan Ritter
Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Hi, > I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with a > 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running fine, I'm > becoming a bit concerned about the longevity of this storage, so I'm > planning to upgrade it to a 500GB or

Re: Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 02 March 2020 06:28:58 Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Hi, > I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with > a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running > fine, I'm becoming a bit concerned about the longevity of this > storage, so I'm

Advice on upgrading to SSD

2020-03-02 Thread Tony van der Hoff
Hi, I'm currently running Buster on a 5 year old GigaByte motherboard with a 10-year old Raid-1 array on 2 500GB disks. Although it is running fine, I'm becoming a bit concerned about the longevity of this storage, so I'm planning to upgrade it to a 500GB or maybe 1TB SSD from Crucial. My