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On 28 November 2012 09:39, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 22:31:52 Beco wrote:
I would like a mentor during my next vacation, to help me with .deb files.
Here is a web-page that explains the scheme. Don't be put off by the mention
of women. They
Hi,
Dňa Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:13:19 -0300 Beco r...@beco.cc napísal:
Ubuntu has probably the same complexity for a developer, but as they
are more friendly to novices, they have more contributors.
Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
only to 7 % from them
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote:
Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu Debian developer -
sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do...
That's a flawed argument. It
Jon Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote:
Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu Debian developer -
sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do...
That's a
That's an even more flawed argument. We're talking about packaging, not
development.
Packaging will differ if the maintainer thinks that an optional dep is
better than another, or the option is useless etc...
So, I think packagers must have some knowledge about the software they
maintain.
But
Morel Bérenger wrote:
(Personally, I'm suspicious of software and changes that are
distribution-specific.)
Are you suspicious about the Debian Linux kernel? It have distro specific
patches. (But I think and hope that they are reported upstream. Did not
checked.)
Well, that's why I included
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:37:09PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
informations. With apt-cache if I am running my debian, or with
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=foobar if I am not using
A shortcut for this is http://packages.debian.org/packagename
Cheers,
Tom
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Dňa Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0500 Miles Fidelman
mfidel...@meetinghouse.net napísal:
What that 7% statistic really suggests is some combination of:
a. Some of those packages are developed by folks who use Ubuntu, and
don't get around to releasing a separate package for Debian (or
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:00:07AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jon Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote:
Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu Debian developer -
sorry i have
Le 28.11.2012 20:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit :
Morel Bérenger wrote:
(Personally, I'm suspicious of software and changes that are
distribution-specific.)
Are you suspicious about the Debian Linux kernel? It have distro
specific
patches. (But I think and hope that they are reported upstream.
When I decided to move TO Debian, one of my concerns was to be on a
distro that sets its way, not a distro that follows. Debian moto is The
Universal Operating System. And that is the appeal to me.
I love standards. I would give my kingdom to have only .deb instead
of 3 or 4 (RPM, tar.gz,
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 10:18 +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
There is Linux Standard Base which claim to be a standard for distros.
Which reminds me of the file system hierarchy issue, on my multi-boot
I've got Linux were e.g. /media is
/media/directory
/media/username/directory
There is Linux Standard Base which claim to be a standard for distros.
Which reminds me of the file system hierarchy issue, on my multi-boot
I've got Linux were e.g. /media is
/media/directory
/media/username/directory
/run/media/username/directory
I can not really see the point of having
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 08:19:01PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
The best solution for the I must have the very latest, and I must have
it now crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or
you can have it now, but seldom can you have it right now.
I must have the very latest…
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't
we?
There needs to be a critical mass; but beyond that point, an
increase in numbers is not necessarily beneficial.
Agreed for 'mere' users, but another
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Also very nice is the output of
$ ls -l /bin/sh
for Ubuntu it's not bash.
For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash
is
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I
think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D
You should go really left-field and try rc! (but not for /bin/sh.)
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On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:02 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Also very nice is the output of
$ ls -l /bin/sh
for Ubuntu it's not bash.
For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
to dash by default
Le Mar 27 novembre 2012 14:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:02 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Also very nice is the output of
$ ls -l /bin/sh
for Ubuntu it's not bash.
For modern Debian installations it's not
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:29:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Does it really carry weight?
With sysvinit, which spawns a lot of sh instances, yes. With something like
systemd, no - it tries to solve the same problem in part by not spawning a
shell lots of times.
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On Tuesday 27 November 2012 12:02:34 Jon Dowland wrote:
For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash
is smaller and faster to load than bash).
Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realised
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't
we?
There needs to be a critical mass; but beyond that point, an
increase in numbers
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I
think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D
You should go really
On Monday 26 November 2012 16:52:19 Jon Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
IOW, is there a rush?
Perhaps not a rush but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release
schedule.
And I'd *really* like to continue having stable software, and no
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes:
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 12:02:34 Jon Dowland wrote:
For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash
is smaller and faster to load than bash).
Thanks
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:13 -0300, Beco wrote:
Ubuntu has probably the same complexity for a developer, but as they
are more friendly to novices, they have more contributors.
Ubuntu is tricky for newbies, it does fake to be similar to an iPad or
Windows. And there's bizarre cooperation, such as
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 15:13:19 Beco wrote:
We would have more contributors if Debian wasn't so proud of being for
advanced users.
But my experience is that it isn't. People are encouraged to help with
developing and all the other jobs that are needed. and can get a mentor to
help.
Can
Don't Believe the Hype!
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On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:17:50PM -0300, Beco wrote:
Never heard of it. What is rc?
A shell. It's packaged in Debian, oddly enough in package 'rc'.
May I suggest you try apt-cache show rc, or google?
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On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:11:54PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realised that! I've merrily
carried on using bash. :-/
Bash is a lot friendlier and better suited as a login or interactive
shell. The startup time is not so important for that situation.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:24:07PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
And I'd *really* like to continue having stable software, and no release till
it's ready.
I don't think those two things are incompatible with each other.
One of the many things that I dislike about Ubuntu, is its habit of releasing
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Beco r...@beco.cc wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I
think that someday I'll try zsh
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jon Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:17:50PM -0300, Beco wrote:
Never heard of it. What is rc?
A shell. It's packaged in Debian, oddly enough in package 'rc'.
May I suggest you try apt-cache show rc, or google?
Thanks!
I tried
I tried google, but without more keywords, rc was too little to
search.
When I search for a package's description, I first use debian's
informations. With apt-cache if I am running my debian, or with
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=foobar if I am not using it.
The 2nd is really
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:43:00PM -0300, Beco wrote:
I tried google, but without more keywords, rc was too little to search.
Good point, sorry.
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On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 22:37 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
I tried google, but without more keywords, rc was too little to
search.
When I search for a package's description, I first use debian's
informations. With apt-cache if I am running my debian, or with
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
IOW, is there a rush?
Perhaps not a rush but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release
schedule.
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On 11/26/2012 11:52 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
IOW, is there a rush?
Perhaps not a rush but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release
schedule.
To each his own. I like the releases to work reasonably well -- whenever
they
On Mon 26 Nov 2012 at 16:52:19 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
IOW, is there a rush?
Perhaps not a rush but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release
schedule.
This is probably not as definite as everyone would like
* Worrier Poet worrier.p...@comcast.net [121126 17:24]:
To each his own. I like the releases to work reasonably well -- whenever
they come out. I appreciate that the Debian release teams have continued
to emphasize quality over release scheduling.
The best solution for the I must have the
Russell L. Harris wrote at 2012-11-26 14:19 -0600:
The best solution for the I must have the very latest, and I must have
it now crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or
you can have it now, but seldom can you have it right now.
After the novelty of Ubuntu wears off and
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM, green greenfreedo...@gmail.com wrote:
Russell L. Harris wrote at 2012-11-26 14:19 -0600:
The best solution for the I must have the very latest, and I must have
it now crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or
you can have it now, but seldom
Lets do right, not right now. I'm in no way demanding a new
release sooner. If the answer to my question of estimate is May, so
be it. Its an estimate, isn't it? Would it hurt Debian if we postpone
Wheezy to April or May? I don't think so. But to September 2014, I
think we might have a problem
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
And, most important than all:
I won't move to (K)ubuntu because I already bought Debian aluminium
adhesive stickers to put on my notebook. So thanks for the suggestion,
but I didn't liked it.
:)
btw, I would like to
PS. The link from the (now old) email looks broke. But the item is
here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminium-Linux-Debian-Case-Badge-Sticker-/281029773571?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networkinghash=item416eae0903
Thanks a lot.
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I don't use any statement of faith, but If I ever should do, I would
prefer something like:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=deq=shebang+t-shirtbav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.bpcl=38897761biw=1152bih=729um=1ie=UTF-8tbm=ischsource=ogsa=Ntab=wiei=juuzUK-yHorRsga0k4DoBA
I'm using what ever distro is the
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 23:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I don't use any statement of faith, but If I ever should do, I would
prefer something like:
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote:
machine) to the FreeBSD installer. I don't know if I'll like it, it's
even not a Linux distro, however, the shebang does cover the religion
less dogmatic.
Whoah! Careful there ... are you telling me I _should_ be less dogmatic?!!@#:)
* Beco r...@beco.cc [121126 21:36]:
In any case, I didn't mean:
I must have the very latest, and I must have it now
Forgive me for painting with too broad a brush. I did not mean to
target you specifically, or even to include you in the group to which
I referred.
It's not helpful how
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris
rlhar...@broadcaster.org wrote:
Forgive me for painting with too broad a brush. I did not mean to
target you specifically, or even to include you in the group to which
I referred.
Fair enough.
It's not helpful how often we get that: Move
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Subject: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release
From: Cyril Brulebois k...@debian.org
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:49:10 +0100
Message-id: 20121122004910.ge22...@mraw.org
The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the fourth beta release
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 09:54:55PM -0300, Beco wrote:
Hey guys,
Any prediction or estimate when will Wheezy be finally stable?
I'm excited! Go Debian! :)
March next year? Conservative prediction. Could be sooner if families
come second over the xmas holidays. IOW, is there a rush?
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