Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-05-01 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 08:45:40AM -0700, mond wrote: On Apr 30, 8:50 am, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/04/2008, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-30 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 04:30:52PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually i recommend sid to everyone except for servers where stable is more suitable. You must enjoy debugging a lot, then. Sid really *is* unstable, like its name

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-30 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 30/04/2008, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unstable means that it's changing frequently *NOT* that it's more likely to crash. Then why does it crash more in my anecdotal and unscientific experience? - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-30 Thread Micha
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:56:49 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/04/2008, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unstable means that it's changing frequently *NOT* that it's more likely to crash. Then why does it crash more in my anecdotal and unscientific

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-30 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 30/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:56:49 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/04/2008, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unstable means that it's changing frequently *NOT* that it's more likely to crash. Then

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-30 Thread mond
On Apr 30, 8:50 am, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:56:49 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/04/2008, Chris Bannister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unstable means that it's

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/30/08 10:45, mond wrote: [snip] Anyway, sid is stable enough, I think, if you don't dist-upgrade everyday. Yup... Desire to be able to read my email from the console (occasional X bugs in Sid was one impetus for this) are why I originally

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-29 Thread mond
On Apr 28, 8:00 pm, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:30:52 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually i recommend sid to everyone

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-29 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 29/04/2008, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't worry about the bugs and crashes. Oh, then enjoy sid. :-) - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/27/08 22:42, mond wrote: On Apr 26, 9:20 pm, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread mond
On Apr 28, 2:00 am, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/27/08 22:42, mond wrote: On Apr 26, 9:20 pm, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However,

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread mond
On Apr 28, 10:20 am, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 28, 2:00 am, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/27/08 22:42, mond wrote: On Apr 26, 9:20 pm, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 26/04/2008, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. Of course it does. It's sid. If you don't like bugs, don't use sid. - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread John Hasler
mond wrote: However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. Jordi writes: Of course it does. It's sid. It's been many years since Sid has crashed here. If you don't like bugs, don't use sid. Seems to me that he is just trying to discuss the problem so that he can fix it

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 28/04/2008, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mond wrote: However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. Jordi writes: Of course it does. It's sid. It's been many years since Sid has crashed here. Well, it's been about two days since it crashed over

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread John Hasler
Jordi writes: Well, it's been about two days since it crashed over here. What crashed? The kernel? X? Your desktop environment? I'd file a bug report, but I don't know exactly how to make it crash, and since it keeps moving, well, living on sid is an adventure all around, not for the

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:30:42PM -0700, mond wrote: On Apr 27, 10:50 pm, Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 07:31:04PM -0700, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: 1. I think it is all about X( form the log you can tell). The system is not down. I

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread mond
On Apr 26, 9:20 pm, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem is that the screen just get dark. And ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work. Ctrl

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Micha
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:27:25 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/04/2008, John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mond wrote: However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. Jordi writes: Of course it does. It's sid. It's been

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually i recommend sid to everyone except for servers where stable is more suitable. You must enjoy debugging a lot, then. Sid really *is* unstable, like its name sounds, and like we can witness with Mond and with me. Newer software is hardly

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread mond
On Apr 28, 2:10 pm, Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:30:42PM -0700, mond wrote: On Apr 27, 10:50 pm, Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 07:31:04PM -0700, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: 1. I think it is all about X(

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Micha
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:30:52 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually i recommend sid to everyone except for servers where stable is more suitable. You must enjoy debugging a lot, then. Sid really *is* unstable, like

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:30:52 -0500 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually i recommend sid to everyone except for servers where stable is more suitable. You must

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: On 28/04/2008, Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually i recommend sid to everyone except for servers where stable is more suitable. You must enjoy debugging a lot, then. Sid really *is* unstable, like its name

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 28/04/2008, Rich Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how does the distribution advance if *NOONE* runs testing/unstable? Oh, it's great that people are running both of those, and I run them too, but we're essentially beta testers. I do my best to send timely bug reports when I can, or be as

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-28 Thread Rich Healey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: On 28/04/2008, Rich Healey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how does the distribution advance if *NOONE* runs testing/unstable? Oh, it's great that people are running both of those, and I run them too, but we're

Re: Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread NN_il_Confusionario
* From: mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] It just freeze. But I can not do nothing, so I push the power button. Apr 26 23:28:41 Pavilion acpid: executing action /etc/acpi/power.sh Apr 26 23:29:01 Pavilion acpid: executing action /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh Apr 26 23:29:01 Pavilion

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread Simon Brandmair
Good morning, On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:10:12 +0200 mond wrote: On Apr 26, 11:30 pm, Kim N. Lesmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem is that the screen

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread Kim N. Lesmer
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:45:49 -0700 (PDT) mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 26, 11:30 pm, Kim N. Lesmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 10:00:03PM -0700, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Apr 26 23:28:41 Pavilion acpid: received event ac_adapter ACAD 0001 Apr 26 23:28:41 Pavilion acpid: notifying client 2612[106:111] Apr 26 23:28:41 Pavilion acpid: notifying client 2720[0:0] Apr 26

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread Micha
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:50:32 -0700 Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 10:00:03PM -0700, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: Apr 26 23:28:41 Pavilion acpid: received event ac_adapter ACAD 0001 Apr 26 23:28:41 Pavilion acpid: notifying client

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread mond
On Apr 26, 9:20 pm, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem is that the screen just get dark. And ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work. Ctrl

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 07:31:04PM -0700, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: 1. I think it is all about X( form the log you can tell). The system is not down. I don,t have another computer home. So I can not ssh when it crashes. But I will test it in office if it crashes. 2. The is no

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread mond
On Apr 26, 9:20 pm, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem is that the screen just get dark. And ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work. Ctrl

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-27 Thread mond
On Apr 27, 10:50 pm, Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 07:31:04PM -0700, mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: 1. I think it is all about X( form the log you can tell). The system is not down. I don,t have another computer home. So I can not ssh when it

Debian crash randomly

2008-04-26 Thread mond
I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem is that the screen just get dark. And ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work. Ctrl +alt+f1 doesn't work either. So I just wonder if there

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-26 Thread Alex Samad
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 06:50:09PM -0700, mond wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem is that the screen just get dark. And ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work.

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-26 Thread mond
On Apr 26, 9:40 pm, Alex Samad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 06:50:09PM -0700, mond wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem is that the

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-26 Thread Kim N. Lesmer
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently. The problem is that the screen just get dark. And

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-26 Thread mond
On Apr 26, 11:30 pm, Kim N. Lesmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently.

Re: Debian crash randomly

2008-04-26 Thread mond
On Apr 26, 11:30 pm, Kim N. Lesmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) mond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am almost new to Debian. It is a great system. I get my work done in Debian very well. However, recently my Debian(sid) crash randomly and frequently.