Zenaan Harkness writes:
Scripting has its place, but from my extensive reading
of systemd docs and some of the old sysv startup scripts
(for postfix and various others over the years), give me
systemd unit files any day! Preference. Mine.
De gustibus non disputandum est (you can't argue
I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, but perhaps we
can expose a disagreement on terminology without the clutter and heat of
the discussion in which it came up.
Words, when spoken, mean what the speaker meant. When heard, they mean what
the listener thinks they mean.
Joel Rees writes:
Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting a
language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases to
be a language.
But it could lose the Turing completeness.
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:46:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting a
language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases to
be a language.
I would argue that programming is linguistics (being a linguist,
2014/07/23 16:41 Tony Baldwin to...@myownsite.me:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:46:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting a
language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases to
be a language.
I would argue
Joel Rees writes:
2014/07/23 16:41 Tony Baldwin to...@myownsite.me:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:46:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting
a
language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language ceases
On 7/23/14, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, but perhaps we
can expose a disagreement on terminology without the clutter and heat of
the discussion in which it came up.
Not offtopic at all, since some (heated, or protracted)
Zenaan Harkness writes:
So thank you Joel for spending the time to describe these
concepts as 'pedantically' as you have. Your descriptions
are an excellent grounding for the conversation which is
undoubtedly going to continue :)
One question. Can you give me an example of Turing
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Zenaan Harkness writes:
So thank you Joel for spending the time to describe these
concepts as 'pedantically' as you have. Your descriptions
are an excellent grounding for the conversation which is
undoubtedly going to continue :)
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:46:56 +0900
Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic,
Yeah you dirty dog :-)
but perhaps
we can expose a disagreement on terminology without the clutter and
heat of the discussion in which it came up.
Words,
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:36:24 +0900
Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
And, conversely, adding identifiers to attempt to cover every
necessary possible configuration is always going to result in a
boatload of arcane terms with arcane semantics. (And you still have
the issue of engineering
Joel Rees writes:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Zenaan Harkness writes:
So thank you Joel for spending the time to describe these
concepts as 'pedantically' as you have. Your descriptions
are an excellent grounding for the conversation which is
Steve Litt writes:
Although I spent 14 years making my living as a software developer,
there are times when I don't want the freedom to do absolutely
anything. This is why I switched away from Perl: I needed some
limitations.
Despite limits may be a fun challenge, I prefer to give
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:35:01 +0200
sa...@eng.it wrote:
Steve Litt writes:
Although I spent 14 years making my living as a software developer,
there are times when I don't want the freedom to do absolutely
anything. This is why I switched away from Perl: I needed some
limitations.
On 7/24/14, sa...@eng.it sa...@eng.it wrote:
Joel Rees writes:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:29 PM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Zenaan Harkness writes:
So thank you Joel for spending the time to describe these
concepts as 'pedantically' as you have. Your descriptions
are an
Arghh Gmail! Dangit!
This one was for the list.
cheers
zenaan
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From: Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 01:03:16 +1000
Subject: Re: FWIW: script vs. configurtion file
To: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
On 7/24/14, Steve Litt
Joel Rees grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
2014/07/23 16:41 Tony Baldwin to...@myownsite.me:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:46:56PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
Programming is a field of mathematics. Mathematically speaking, limiting a
language to a declarative syntax does not mean that the language
Steve Litt writes:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:35:01 +0200
sa...@eng.it wrote:
Steve Litt writes:
Although I spent 14 years making my living as a software developer,
there are times when I don't want the freedom to do absolutely
anything. This is why I switched away from
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:39:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 7/23/14, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, but perhaps we
can expose a disagreement on terminology without the clutter and heat of
the discussion in which it
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:14:13 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:39:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 7/23/14, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
I suppose I'll get complaints about this being off-topic, but
perhaps we can expose a
On 2014-07-23, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
Where does one see the list charter? Neither googling
debian-user+mailing list+charter nore debian-user+mailing
list+rules nor a search on the debian.org site itself nor just general
searching came up with it within the top 20
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 21:36:23 Curt wrote:
And maybe more somewhere, more rules and regulations we can abuse and
break until we're banned like incurable lepers from the community.
Maybe he is thinking of the DFSG? Or the Social Contract?
Lisi
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:47:00PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:14:13 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:39:26PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 7/23/14, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
I suppose I'll get
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:20:59 +0100
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 21:36:23 Curt wrote:
And maybe more somewhere, more rules and regulations we can abuse
and break until we're banned like incurable lepers from the
community.
Maybe he is thinking of the
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:18:00 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 03:47:00PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:14:13 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 08:39:26PM +1000, Zenaan
Chris Bannister wrote:
But the debian-user list is for Debian support, and discussing the
issues of scripting versus configuration is therefore off-topic, IMHO.
Ummm, according to https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ this list is
for Help and discussion among users of Debian.
Under that
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:20:24 -0400 Steve Litt sent:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:20:59 +0100
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 21:36:23 Curt wrote:
And maybe more somewhere, more rules and regulations we can abuse
and break until we're banned like incurable
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, Chris Bannister wrote:
Oh. Ok, but I was using the same terms that Henrique de Moraes
Holschuh used when he talked about the debian-testing mailing list and
how people were wondering if that was the list to discuss testing
issues from a user perspective.
It's not for user
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