Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-14 Thread Cristian Gutierrez
Steve Lamb wrote: Mutt is certainly not for everyone, but that is only because the setup requires more work, not because you are restricted in any way. Really. Access 2 mail accounts using completely separate settings, keeping separate sent-archives, separate SMTP servers, separate inbound

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-14 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 06:36:36PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 10:30:30PM +, Pigeon wrote: But if you're not put off... you're right that it doesn't require much. If you're using exim (which is the default MTA with Debian), create a file ~/.forward containing the

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-14 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 02:28:02PM +, Pigeon wrote: With mutt, at least, which it seems can generally be trusted to do the Right Thing, both reply-to headers are honoured, so hitting 'r' sends a reply both to the list and to the user's

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-14 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 01:52:58PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 02:28:02PM +, Pigeon wrote: With mutt, at least, which it seems can generally be trusted to do the Right Thing, both reply-to headers are honoured, so hitting 'r' sends a reply both to the list and to

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 12:01:06 +0100, Thorsten Haude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are repeating yourself. Nobody claims that Mutt has filters. Or do you decry the fact that Mutt is no POP3 client? ..ah, try:' mutt -f pop://yer-account:[EMAIL PROTECTED] '. ;-) --

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Richard Hector
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 03:35:41PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: That's what procmail is for, though. No, procmail is what the tech demo mutt needs to act like a real mail client. That's a deficiency in mutt. If I relied on the filtering in my MUA (if it had any), it

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:52:27PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: With procmail, all the filtering is done before it hits my MUA, keeping things nice and clean. That's what I'm saying...why limit yourself when you can make a simple move that makes it

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Richard Hector
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 03:12:09PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Richard Hector wrote: The trouble is, you can't. If the list has changed the Reply-to header, it's thrown away what was there before. You could fall back to the From or Sender header, but that might not be where the sender reads their

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Richard Hector wrote: If I relied on the filtering in my MUA (if it had any), it would get seriously screwed if I wanted to use more than one MUA against the same IMAP server or Maildir. I'd have to implement all the same filters in both. With procmail, all the filtering is done before it hits my

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: That's what I'm saying...why limit yourself when you can make a simple move that makes it way easier to switch MUAs when your tastes change? And when you're getting mail from a source that doesn't have procmail? We've gone over this dozens of times on this list. There are

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Richard Hector wrote: Sure you _could_ set the From: header to your work one, but that's arguably wrong, and I entirely sympathise with ISPs who don't allow it. How is i wrong? Past 5 years across 4 broadband connections to 3 ISPs I've never had to change my email address because I've never

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 00:35): Paul Johnson wrote: That's what procmail is for, though. No, procmail is what the tech demo mutt needs to act like a real mail client. That's a deficiency in mutt. Nope, you could also use a *good* MDA instead of Procmail. Which shows why the

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Moin, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 10:52): Paul Johnson wrote: That's what I'm saying...why limit yourself when you can make a simple move that makes it way easier to switch MUAs when your tastes change? And when you're getting mail from a source that doesn't have procmail? Why would I

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 00:33): Paul Johnson wrote: OK, then why does TB still have more in common than OE than a real mail client? Depends on what you call a real mail client. I see TB having far more in commong with Sylpheed-claws and kmail than lookout. Mutt, on the

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Thorsten Haude wrote: Nope, you could also use a *good* MDA instead of Procmail. Which shows why the modular Unix approach is much more powerful than any catch-all application. You're presuming 2 things. 1: The person has access to install a decent MDA on said machine. 2: The person has

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Thorsten Haude wrote: Why would I care? Most systems don't use Procmail on outgoing mails, and even if they would, how would the receiver be affected? Who said anything about outgoing? I said clearly, getting mail from a system that does not have procmail. You know, that whole POP and IMAP

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Thorsten Haude wrote: Funny you see it that way. For years Mutt's feature list was copied to the other clients todo list almost verbatim. Funny? That would kind of be the definition of a tech. demo. Look, this is neat and can do cool stuff but it is incapable of doing anything serious or

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Nano Nano
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:34:07AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Thorsten Haude wrote: Funny you see it that way. For years Mutt's feature list was copied to the other clients todo list almost verbatim. Funny? That would kind of be the definition of a tech. demo. Look, this is neat and

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 11:29): Thorsten Haude wrote: Nope, you could also use a *good* MDA instead of Procmail. Which shows why the modular Unix approach is much more powerful than any catch-all application. You're presuming 2 things. 1: The person has access to install a decent

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Nano Nano wrote: You're making tons of statements that just apply to you. I like mutt. I can make it think like me. It doesn't feel like a box. Oh, I can get mutt to work but only with a few hours of work. The same amount of work that would take me maybe 20m on a complette client. --

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 11:34): Thorsten Haude wrote: Funny you see it that way. For years Mutt's feature list was copied to the other clients todo list almost verbatim. Funny? That would kind of be the definition of a tech. demo. Look, this is neat and can do cool stuff but it

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Nano Nano
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:44:57AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Nano Nano wrote: You're making tons of statements that just apply to you. I like mutt. I can make it think like me. It doesn't feel like a box. Oh, I can get mutt to work but only with a few hours of work. The same amount

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Thorsten Haude wrote: * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 11:29): 1: The person has access to install a decent MDA on said machine. 2: The person has access at ALL to configure said MDA in the first place. I assume that there is a MDA installed yes. Why? QMail, Sendmail, Exim and I believe

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Nano Nano wrote: www.dotfiles.com Even with dotfiles. The maintenance costs alone on keeping everything up to date in the mutt method is a preclusion. BTW, personally I settled on Wills .muttrc as a template. It was the most modular of the set at the time (~4 months ago) but even still

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Thorsten Haude wrote: Do you suffer from cognitive dissonance? Don't you see how many people use Mutt and are quite happy with it? Do you think they get money to say so? No. But they suffer from cognitive dissonance in saying that mutt (and procmail...) are the end-all, be-all solution to

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 11:32): Thorsten Haude wrote: I said clearly No you didn't. getting mail from a system that does not have procmail. You know, that whole POP and IMAP thing? I see. As soon as I *get* mail, I may filter it, don't I? Why would filter A be better than filter

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 11:44): Nano Nano wrote: You're making tons of statements that just apply to you. I like mutt. I can make it think like me. It doesn't feel like a box. Oh, I can get mutt to work but only with a few hours of work. The same amount of work that would

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 11:57): Thorsten Haude wrote: * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 11:29): 1: The person has access to install a decent MDA on said machine. 2: The person has access at ALL to configure said MDA in the first place. I assume that there is a MDA installed yes.

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Moin, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-08 12:04): Thorsten Haude wrote: Do you suffer from cognitive dissonance? Don't you see how many people use Mutt and are quite happy with it? Do you think they get money to say so? No. But they suffer from cognitive dissonance in saying that mutt (and

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Richard Hector
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 01:58:09AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Richard Hector wrote: Sure you _could_ set the From: header to your work one, but that's arguably wrong, and I entirely sympathise with ISPs who don't allow it. How is i wrong? Well, it's not where you're sending from, is it?

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Richard Hector
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 01:48:13AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Richard Hector wrote: If I relied on the filtering in my MUA (if it had any), it would get seriously screwed if I wanted to use more than one MUA against the same IMAP server or Maildir. I'd have to implement all the same filters in

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Steve Lamb
Richard Hector wrote: That's still filtering outside the MUA, right? How does that differ, in this context, from using procmail? Seive is configured through the client. Procmail is configured through a shell which isn't always present. (and please don't cc me on list posts) Sorry. I

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:00:35AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: It was the most modular of the set at the time (~4 months ago) but even still it took me over an hour to a basic level of functionality. I have to admit, I'm wondering what for you is a basic level of functionality. Out of the box,

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 01:52:22AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: And when you're getting mail from a source that doesn't have procmail? Use fetchmail to bring it to you. It's stupid to make that a requirement yet this is a deficiency in mutt.

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please stop using tab, your messages are suffering tab damage. On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 04:33:15AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Sorry. I don't like CCs off list either and I try to make sure I remove the CC when replying. I think that was the first

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:17:11AM +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: Nope, you could also use a *good* MDA instead of Procmail. Which shows why the modular Unix approach is much more powerful than any catch-all application. Thank you! (Even though

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:32:04AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Thorsten Haude wrote: Why would I care? Most systems don't use Procmail on outgoing mails, and even if they would, how would the receiver be affected? Who said anything about outgoing? I said clearly, getting mail from a

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:57:33AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Why? QMail, Sendmail, Exim and I believe Postfix all do not require an MDA. They do on multiuser systems, as far as I know. Why should only root be able to filter their mail?

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:57:33AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: I assume that there is a MDA installed yes. Why? QMail, Sendmail, Exim and I believe Postfix all do not require an MDA. Furthermore only one, to my knowledge, does any filtering at all. Of course those are only the major 4

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:44:57AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Oh, I can get mutt to work but only with a few hours of work. The same amount of work that would take me maybe 20m on a complette client. The easy way to configure it is edit your

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 03:00:35AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Even with dotfiles. The maintenance costs alone on keeping everything up to date in the mutt method is a preclusion. BTW, personally I settled on Wills .muttrc as a template. It was the

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, sorry, I accidently replied to your private mail. Please sent me every mail only once. Thorsten -- Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. - Pericles pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-07 01:34): Thorsten Haude wrote: * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-07 00:12): IE, name me one case where someone would set reply-to where they would not be able to also set From:. Well, don't think inside a box. Not everyone use modern email clients (which are

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-07 04:47): Paul Johnson wrote: Many portable text communications devices can't set the From header for themselves but can set reply-to. My cellphone is an example. That's stretching it mighty thin. And I'd consider it broken. Well whatever, but it's a fact

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 11:19:30PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never could figure out how all these long threads get off topic so quick, now I know! People tend to call them as they seem them here. This is a good thing: Core dumps are

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 10:24:49PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: So if TB is supposedly better than Lookout, how does it differ? So far, TB sounds identical to Outlook. Uhm, let's see. Open Source, Bayesian filtering built in,

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread David P James
On February 07, 2004 10:33, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 10:24:49PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: So if TB is supposedly better than Lookout, how does it differ? So far, TB sounds identical to Outlook. Uhm, let's see. Open Source, Bayesian filtering

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 12:09:10PM -0500, David P James wrote: (2) more versatile filters (ability to pipe through or execute external commands and to rewrite headers for example) then it would pretty well be a real mail client. That's what

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Dave's List Addy
On 2/6/04 8:59 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:29:54PM -0600, Dave's List Addy wrote: Really? Why make it a hassle for the user? We run Debian, but in a hosting/DNS/Server environment. I am sure many others aren't using their Debian as a desktop. We use Mac OS X for

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 11:29:22AM -0600, Dave's List Addy wrote: Complain to your mail software's vendor. There is no excuse for any MUA to lack reply-to-list in this day and age. Well I am the dumb one here now :( I did some RTFM on our mail

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Brad Sims
On Friday 06 February 2004 8:33 pm, Paul Johnson wrote: kmail threads like mutt does, I thought.  Trying to thread on subject is a horribly broken way to do it, not all lists are good enough to not add a lame tag that wastes vital subject-line real-estate. I think yer right I just know it does

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: OK, then why does TB still have more in common than OE than a real mail client? Depends on what you call a real mail client. I see TB having far more in commong with Sylpheed-claws and kmail than lookout. Mutt, on the other hand, is a nice tech demo but a crappy client.

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: That's what procmail is for, though. No, procmail is what the tech demo mutt needs to act like a real mail client. That's a deficiency in mutt. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-07 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 03:35:41PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: No, procmail is what the tech demo mutt needs to act like a real mail client. That's a deficiency in mutt. Why does an MUA need to be an MDA? Why waste the added resources sorting

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You replied off-list to my attempt to help you on a public mailing list. Read http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=netiquette#offlist On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 07:04:51AM +, Joseph Jones wrote: I don't even know what a freaking MUA

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Dale Welch
On Thursday 05 February 2004 10:12 am, Rico -mc- Gloeckner wrote: On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 05:58:59PM +, Joseph Jones wrote: It really bugs me. I know this may seem unnecessary to some people, but it wouldn't require much. All the other mailing lists I'm on set the reply-to to the

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread David P James
On February 05, 2004 18:18, Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Tietjens wrote: I hit the Reply button and sent this email with Thunderbird. Apprently, it's smart enough to figure it out. :) Then apparently you have one from the future (nope Thunderbird/0.4RC1) as I know 0.3, 0.4 and now at least

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Johann Koenig
On Friday February 6 at 06:39am Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i This has been bothering me for a while. I thought Mutt was good because it supported threading, but I see a number of posts without references set, which is a royal PITA for me. I use

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread David P James
On February 06, 2004 12:42, David P James wrote: Anyway, from a TB user perspective the best way to deal with replying to the list is the following: Do not press reply to reply to a message; instead right-click on the To: field of the message (which of course is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Michael L. Brownlow
Dale Welch wrote: You have to consider who the majority of the people are and consider that most things should be answered back to the list. Therefore a small extra action by the replyer if he wants to send it back to the original sender is preferred so that the new user will correctly reply

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 08:49:06AM -0800, Dale Welch wrote: I email lists for the purpose of having the response on the list. Please leave that up to the Sender and Replier. They are human, they may decide what is appropriate. Some stupid[1] piece of software is not able to detect that

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
David P James wrote: He was posting via a newsgroup, that's why (if you ask me, TB screws that up too). SLRN is god. Learn it, love it, live it. Unless decoding binaries in which case Pan is god. :) Reply to sender (as in TB Mail, but not present in TB News) Reply All (as in TB Mail and

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Dave's List Addy
On 2/6/04 12:06 PM, Michael L. Brownlow wrote: You have to consider who the majority of the people are and consider that most things should be answered back to the list. Therefore a small extra action by the replyer if he wants to send it back to the original sender is preferred so that the

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:42:39PM -0500 or thereabouts, David P James wrote: [snip] In newsgroup mode, TB (and MozMail) treat Reply to mean reply to group. You can't easily reply to just the sender in a newsgroup via email with TB (you have to reply-all and delete the group). This is

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Dave's List Addy wrote: So is Debian not about accommodating the new user? Or is this strictly for the good old boys? Good ol' boys. Paradoxaly they won't close down the list to subscribers only because of newbs. Go fig. BTW, a while back I was right there with ya in regards to

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Stephen wrote: Well, I have TB 0.5a Jan 28 2004. The reply to sender works in newsgroup mode. You'll note this is a mailing list, not a newsgroup. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread David P James
On February 06, 2004 13:36, Stephen wrote: On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:42:39PM -0500 or thereabouts, David P James wrote: [snip] In newsgroup mode, TB (and MozMail) treat Reply to mean reply to group. You can't easily reply to just the sender in a newsgroup via email with TB (you have to

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 11:23:53AM -0800 or thereabouts, Steve Lamb wrote: Stephen wrote: Well, I have TB 0.5a Jan 28 2004. The reply to sender works in newsgroup mode. You'll note this is a mailing list, not a newsgroup. Yes -- I'm responding to the fella that said reply-sender didn't

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Stephen wrote: Yes -- I'm responding to the fella that said reply-sender didn't work as described in newsmode, with TBird. ;) Whoops, my mistake. Lemme, uh, just stand over here outta the way. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Stephen
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 02:43:10PM -0500 or thereabouts, David P James wrote: Well, I have TB 0.5a Jan 28 2004. The reply to sender works in newsgroup mode. Really? Pressing the Reply button sends it to the sender and not the newsgroup? I said 'reply to sender'. It's a simple matter of

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Richard Hector
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 08:49:06AM -0800, Dale Welch wrote: and if you want to claim you can use rules to re-write the headers to do what you want... then fine lets have it default to the standard of reply to the list and you set your favorite program to rewrite the headers to let you

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Richard Hector wrote: The trouble is, you can't. If the list has changed the Reply-to header, it's thrown away what was there before. You could fall back to the From or Sender header, but that might not be where the sender reads their mail. They may have set Reply-to for a good reason. Funny

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Nano Nano
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 03:12:09PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: IE, name me one case where someone would set reply-to where they would not be able to also set From:. I can't think of a single modern email client out of early development where this isn't the case. I can't think of one in

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Nano Nano wrote: From: Your Boss Reply-To: His Secretary From: Your Boss CC: His Secretary S/he then drops him off the CC upon further correspondence. And considering it would be good to let the delegee know the delegation is coming... :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-07 00:12): IE, name me one case where someone would set reply-to where they would not be able to also set From:. I can't think of a single modern email client out of early development where this isn't the case. I can't think of one in the past decade going

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Brad Sims
On Friday 06 February 2004 11:30 am, Johann Koenig wrote: This has been bothering me for a while. I thought Mutt was good because it supported threading, but I see a number of posts without references set, which is a royal PITA for me. I use Sylpheed-Claws, which has awesome support for

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Thorsten Haude wrote: * Steve Lamb wrote (2004-02-07 00:12): IE, name me one case where someone would set reply-to where they would not be able to also set From:. Well, don't think inside a box. Not everyone use modern email clients (which are curiously not required to include either RFC

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:30:41PM -0500, Johann Koenig wrote: So, I ask: is this because mutt actually does *not* use In-reply-to or because some mutt users are (un)intentionally breaking threading? No, it uses In-reply-to. Sounds like a personal

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 06:29:19PM -0600, Brad Sims wrote: Hrm Kmail does theading based on subject I /think/. I know it looks mighty nice at any rate. kmail threads like mutt does, I thought. Trying to thread on subject is a horribly broken way

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 02:43:10PM -0500, David P James wrote: Really? Pressing the Reply button sends it to the sender and not the newsgroup? That's normal for NUAs. If you want to reply to the newsgroup, you use followup, not reply. Still, TB

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 08:49:06AM -0800, Dale Welch wrote: You have to consider who the majority of the people are and consider that most things should be answered back to the list. Therefore a small extra action by the replyer if he wants to

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:06:28PM -0600, Michael L. Brownlow wrote: I vote to keep it the way it is on the principle of least embarassment. Though just like voting for president, it doesn't matter[1]. The listmaster got it right years ago when it

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:29:54PM -0600, Dave's List Addy wrote: Really? Why make it a hassle for the user? We run Debian, but in a hosting/DNS/Server environment. I am sure many others aren't using their Debian as a desktop. We use Mac OS X for

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 03:12:09PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: IE, name me one case where someone would set reply-to where they would not be able to also set From:. At my old job, I couldn't. Stupid Notus Jokes... - -- .''`. Paul Johnson

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 04:01:52PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Nano Nano wrote: From: Your Boss Reply-To: His Secretary From: Your Boss CC: His Secretary S/he then drops him off the CC upon further correspondence. And considering it

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 04:34:03PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: You mean like my Axim which has its From: set to my home address? The same address which has an extension on it which, when added, will send to my PDA in cases of emergency? Many

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: From: Your Boss Reply-To: His secretary BCC: His secretary Normally it's more like Boss talks to secretary whom in turn emails employee. We can keep doing this all day. Oh, fun fact. I worked in a national ISP where both the director of my department and manager of

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: Many portable text communications devices can't set the From header for themselves but can set reply-to. My cellphone is an example. That's stretching it mighty thin. And I'd consider it broken. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 07:46:56PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Oh, fun fact. I worked in a national ISP where both the director of my department and manager of my group had the same administrative assistant. You'd think that in a national ISP,

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread David P James
On February 06, 2004 21:39, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 02:43:10PM -0500, David P James wrote: Really? Pressing the Reply button sends it to the sender and not the newsgroup? That's normal for NUAs. If you want to reply to

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: You may be unique in this. Many other people have posted many examples of reply-to being used legitimately. No, they have not. They have posted examples how how it might be used in some fantasy world. Here in te real world there was only one real-world example, yours.

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
David P James wrote: As an aside, are there any mailers for Windows that have a reply-list button/function? Eudora? Pegasus? The Bat? I've not used them so I really don't know but to my knowledge none of them do. IIRC both TheBat! and later versions of PMMail do. I do not think Eudora or

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 08:55:19PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: One person's first hand experience and who said anything about tech support? My prior job was working tech support. Given that I have a job interview next week to do tech support

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 11:52:49PM -0500, David P James wrote: On February 06, 2004 21:39, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 02:43:10PM -0500, David P James wrote: Really? Pressing the Reply button sends it to the sender and not the

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Johnson wrote: So if TB is supposedly better than Lookout, how does it differ? So far, TB sounds identical to Outlook. Uhm, let's see. Open Source, Bayesian filtering built in, decent plugin support, awesome IMAP support, doesn't compose HTML mail by default, I've never seen TB try to

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-06 Thread rthoreau
On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 06:52:31PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 12:06:28PM -0600, Michael L. Brownlow wrote: I vote to keep it the way it is on the principle of least embarassment. snip [1] Though for different reasons...the electoral college is not obligated to

Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-05 Thread Joseph Jones
It really bugs me. I know this may seem unnecessary to some people, but it wouldn't require much. All the other mailing lists I'm on set the reply-to to the address of the mailing list, apart from this list. Joe (forever the newbie) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-05 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 05:58:59PM +, Joseph Jones wrote: It really bugs me. I know this may seem unnecessary to some people, but it wouldn't require much. All the other mailing lists I'm on set the reply-to to the address of the mailing list, apart from this list. try google: 'reply-to

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-05 Thread Joseph Jones
Rico -mc- Gloeckner wrote: On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 05:58:59PM +, Joseph Jones wrote: It really bugs me. I know this may seem unnecessary to some people, but it wouldn't require much. All the other mailing lists I'm on set the reply-to to the address of the mailing list, apart from this

Re: Has anyone ever thought of getting the reply-to changed?

2004-02-05 Thread Rico -mc- Gloeckner
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 06:18:29PM +, Joseph Jones wrote: Hopefully someone'll make an extension for Thunderbird to handle it. Whilst rereading the document once again, i noticed that for example mutt has three functionalities: - (r)eply - reply to reply-to or author - (l)ist reply

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