Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 15 sep 21, 09:54:29, John Hasler wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > > In theory you could, but in practice it would break well before that. > > I run Sid on my desktop. It's been years since I've had any breakage. > I suspect that it's because I run FVWM, avoid anything connected with >

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/15/2021 6:45 AM, Brian wrote > I was also rather hoping Tanstaafl would contribute a few words on how > the unstable model contrasts with Gentoo's rolling release model. Well, it's been many years, but basically, you could select what 'branch' you were on using keywords (stable, testing,

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread John Hasler
The Wanderer writes: > In theory you could, but in practice it would break well before that. I run Sid on my desktop. It's been years since I've had any breakage. I suspect that it's because I run FVWM, avoid anything connected with freedesktop.org or Gnome, and am careful about when to upgrade.

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Curt
On 2021-09-14, Brian wrote: >> >> Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated >> regularly? > > Why not? Update when you want to. How does this differ from Gentoo's > rolling release aspect? Go for testing if you want to be a little > conservative? > >> Anyone do

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-09-15 at 06:45, Brian wrote: > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 22:42:12 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it >>> updated regularly? >> >> In theory you could, but in practice it would break

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Brian
On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 22:42:12 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > > >> On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:06:47AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 14 sep 21, 16:33:55, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > > regularly? > > Technically, yes. > > > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical')

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 14 sep 21, 16:33:55, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > regularly? Technically, yes. > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? I used to run sid as the main system on my daily driver laptop.

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 14 sep 21, 23:18:48, Brian wrote: > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:33:55 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > > regularly? > > Why not? Update when you want to. How does this differ from Gentoo's > rolling release aspect? Go

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 04:33:55PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > >> up, but it depends... > >> > >> I'm a

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > >> On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want >>> to set up, but it depends... >>> >>> I'm a former Gentoo user,

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Brian
On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:33:55 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > >> up, but it depends... > >> > >> I'm a former

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread deloptes
Greg Wooledge wrote: >> Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? > > I'm sure someone does, but it's not *wise*. yes indeed. server + sid is contradicting somehow unless you do development of server software -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 04:33:55PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > regularly? > > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? I'm sure someone does, but it's not *wise*.

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set >> up, but it depends... >> >> I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release >> aspect, since

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 14 sept. 2021, 16:35 de amaca...@einval.com: > Debian 11 - Bullseye - released on 14th July 2021 will have [at least] five > years > support as stable/oldstable. > > Three years between releases > ~ two years ;) > plus a year after the next release plus usually > two years LTS support after

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 02:33:23AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 13 sep 21, 10:18:54, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > > distros. > Debian 11 -

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 sep 21, 10:18:54, Tanstaafl wrote: > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > distros. You already received good answers for your questions, so I'll just add that one of Debian's

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:58:26AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > 6) After that year, the release goes into "long-term support" mode, and >received security bug fix support from a different team. The LTS >team may choose to support only server packages, not desktop packages. > A slight

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Hello, > > So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > up, but it depends... > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:18:54AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > distros. > > So... what is the current LTS version and when is its EOL, and when will > the

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread IL Ka
> > So... what is the current LTS version and when is its EOL, and when will > the next one be released, and what will be its EOL? > In Debian world "stable" version created every several years, so you can move from one stable to another. Here is info about current versions

LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Tanstaafl
Hello, So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set up, but it depends... I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other distros. So... what is the current LTS version and when