Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread Gergely Nagy
Andrew == Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au writes: Andrew On 10/11/2014 6:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Andrew The world of FreeBSD with ZFS seems so much more appealing day after day. Great. Please switch to FreeBSD (it's a great OS), if you do not like where

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread Matt Ventura
On 11/9/2014 11:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Hi, Andrew McGlashan: Forwarding a message as is from another mailing list ... very relevant to Linux and the systemd dilemma. No, it is not. Sorry, but requiring an up-to-date kernel (or any other infrastructure you rely on) instead of

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/11/2014 7:38 PM, Matt Ventura wrote: On 11/9/2014 11:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Andrew McGlashan: Forwarding a message as is from another mailing list ... very relevant to Linux and the systemd dilemma. No, it is not. Sorry, but

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/10/2014 2:01 AM, Matthias Urlichs matth...@urlichs.de wrote: Sorry, but requiring an up-to-date kernel (or any other infrastructure you rely on) instead of maintaining workarounds and compatibility code in perpetuity makes perfect sense. It amazes me the depths that some systemd

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/11/14 08:57, Andrew McGlashan wrote: And for those choosing to go with systemd they'll need 20 updates of Jessie just because the kernel is intrinsically linked to systemd and needs an update. Debian wheezy entered freeze with Linux kernel version 3.2.30. As of today, a system running

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/11/2014 9:55 PM, Martin Read wrote: On 10/11/14 08:57, Andrew McGlashan wrote: And for those choosing to go with systemd they'll need 20 updates of Jessie just because the kernel is intrinsically linked to systemd and needs an update.

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread Ron
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 23:28:34 +1100 Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: So, it will run a course and we will get to the point where systemd will be unavoidable in most if not all of the Linux world. We are Systemd of Borg, resistance is futile... ? If so, what

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:51:49 -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org a écrit : [...] If so, what happened to Linux is all about freedom of choice ? GNU/Linux is maybe about freedom of choice but GNU/Linux distributions have never been. You see the difference? Distribution

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-10 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Nov10:1657+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html Debian's own Michael Biebl posted the comment to which Poettering publicly announced this udev roadmap back at the end of May. How could the assurances udev would be stay

Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Forwarding a message as is from another mailing list ... very relevant to Linux and the systemd dilemma. begin forward... http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html On Fri, 30.05.14 04:32, Michael Biebl (mbiebl at gmail.com) wrote: 2014-05-30 4:26 GMT+02:00

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-09 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Andrew McGlashan: Forwarding a message as is from another mailing list ... very relevant to Linux and the systemd dilemma. No, it is not. Sorry, but requiring an up-to-date kernel (or any other infrastructure you rely on) instead of maintaining workarounds and compatibility code in

Re: Lennart Poettering Linux -- some real eye openers here ... don't be blindsided!

2014-11-09 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/11/2014 6:01 PM, Matthias Urlichs wrote: Andrew McGlashan: Forwarding a message as is from another mailing list ... very relevant to Linux and the systemd dilemma. No, it is not. Sorry, but requiring an up-to-date kernel (or any other