Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-07 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In BANLkTi=m6C59fqnTkzdR=cgmzg178qw...@mail.gmail.com, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: With Ubuntu (I believe) you get 5 years for a server and 3 years for a

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-07 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In BANLkTi=m6C59fqnTkzdR=cgmzg178qw...@mail.gmail.com, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: With Ubuntu

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-07 Thread Rob Owens
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 07:08:54AM -0400, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: In BANLkTi=m6C59fqnTkzdR=cgmzg178qw...@mail.gmail.com, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Apr 6,

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-06 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 05:55:30PM +0200, Klistvud wrote: The leap from Lenny to Squeeze is not that big, after all. It's just like having Lenny on steroids. There are just too many goodies in Squeeze not to upgrade. What's the big fuss? I've upgraded my better half and our two kids to

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-06 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 06. 04. 2011 09:14:07 je Dave Sherohman napisal(a): On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 05:55:30PM +0200, Klistvud wrote: The leap from Lenny to Squeeze is not that big, after all. It's just like having Lenny on steroids. There are just too many goodies in Squeeze not to upgrade. What's the big

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-06 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:37:16PM -0700, Mark wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Freeman hew...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: On 2011-04-05

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: With Ubuntu (I believe) you get 5 years for a server and 3 years for a desktop if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server packages and what ones are desktop packages? I don't know. It would be nice to see a list

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-06 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 20110406231712.gb7...@aurora.owens.net, Rob Owens wrote: With Ubuntu (I believe) you get 5 years for a server and 3 years for a desktop if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server packages and what ones are desktop packages? According to documents on Canonical's site, there is no

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-06 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In BANLkTi=m6C59fqnTkzdR=cgmzg178qw...@mail.gmail.com, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: With Ubuntu (I believe) you get 5 years for a server and 3 years for a desktop if you go with an LTS release. What packages are server packages and what ones are

Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread Mark
Hypothetically if a user doesn't want to upgrade to Squeeze, what would they have to do once Lenny stops being supported by Debian? Let's assume the machines are used primarily for web surfing, including using flash. Would they need to install Firefox manually once Lenny stops getting updates

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread Leonardo Ruoso
security updates protocol updates (IPv6 is comming to town) most users deal better with smaller and incremental interface changes 2011/4/5 Mark mamar...@gmail.com Hypothetically if a user doesn't want to upgrade to Squeeze, what would they have to do once Lenny stops being supported by Debian?

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 05. 04. 2011 16:56:13 je Mark napisal(a): Hypothetically if a user doesn't want to upgrade to Squeeze, what would they have to do once Lenny stops being supported by Debian? Let's assume the machines are used primarily for web surfing, including using flash. Would they need to

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 07:56:13 -0700, Mark wrote: Hypothetically if a user doesn't want to upgrade to Squeeze, what would they have to do once Lenny stops being supported by Debian? The user should track security flaws by himself and apply the patches (which usually involves compiling).

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-04-05 09:56:13 Mark wrote: Hypothetically if a user doesn't want to upgrade to Squeeze, what would they have to do once Lenny stops being supported by Debian? Eventually, they will get owned and become a zombie that SPAMs (or worse) the rest of us. Depending on the amount of effort you

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 11:42:42AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: If you need more support than Debian provides and = 5 years, install an Ubuntu LTS. That won't buy you that much AFAIK since the LTS 5 years support it's limited to the server version and doesn't include universe(?). Ok

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread George Standish
On 2011-04-05 09:56:13 Mark wrote: If you need more support than Debian provides and= 5 years, install an Ubuntu LTS. Just to clarify, Ubuntu LTS releases are 5 years for the server version, 3 years for the desktop version. George -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-04-05 11:51:13 George Standish wrote: If you need more support than Debian provides and= 5 years, install an Ubuntu LTS. Just to clarify, Ubuntu LTS releases are 5 years for the server version, 3 years for the desktop version. They use the same repositories. What exactly is the

Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...

2011-04-05 Thread George Standish
On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-04-05 11:51:13 George Standish wrote: If you need more support than Debian provides and= 5 years, install an Ubuntu LTS. Just to clarify, Ubuntu LTS releases are 5 years for the server version, 3 years for the desktop version. They

Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-04-05 12:07:16 George Standish wrote: On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-04-05 11:51:13 George Standish wrote: If you need more support than Debian provides and= 5 years, install an Ubuntu LTS. Just to clarify, Ubuntu LTS releases are 5 years for the server

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Matt Harrison
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: On 2011-04-05 12:07:16 George Standish wrote: On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-04-05 11:51:13 George Standish wrote: If you need more support than Debian provides and= 5 years,

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: On 2011-04-05 12:07:16 George Standish wrote: On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On 2011-04-05 11:51:13 George Standish wrote: If you need more

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Matt Harrison
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: On 2011-04-05 12:07:16 George Standish wrote: On 05/04/11 01:04 PM, Boyd Stephen

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Freeman
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote: Are we seriously going to argue about which version of Ubuntu is supported for how long? I

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Mark
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Freeman hew...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: On 2011-04-05 12:24:39 Matt Harrison wrote: Are we seriously going to

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: 10. Can I install server packages on an Ubuntu Desktop installation and vice versa? Yes – Ubuntu’s flexibility makes it easy. The Ubuntu software repositories do not isolate packages to particular types of

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: Someone that doesn't necessarily want to upgrade on Debian's schedule.  With Ubuntu, you can get 5 years, as opposed to Debian's ~3 years.  With SLE* you can get 10 years.  I'm not sure about RHEL, but I think

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Freeman
On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:37:16PM -0700, Mark wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Freeman hew...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 03:03:41PM -0400, Matt Harrison wrote: All fine pointshere you go: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users As

Re: Ubuntu Versions (was: Re: Let's say you never want to upgrade from Lenny...)

2011-04-05 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In BANLkTi=99cw8hdkx1ozsm1g8z+y+ay7...@mail.gmail.com, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: Someone that doesn't necessarily want to upgrade on Debian's schedule. With Ubuntu, you can get 5 years, as opposed to Debian's ~3 years.