Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

For those who might be interested ... 2016/01/23 9:27 "Joel Rees" : > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 7:15 AM, jdd wrote: > > Le 22/01/2016 17:34, Alberto Salvia Novella a écrit : > >> > >> libre hardware. > > > > that's far from new > > > >

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:19:35PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > * OpenRISC [3] > > 32 bit (these days 64 bit). LGPL. There are a few FPGA based > > implementations and some specialist "real silicon" implementations, > > AFAIK one on board of

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:15:19PM +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 22/01/2016 17:34, Alberto Salvia Novella a écrit : > >libre hardware. > that's far from new > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware > >

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> * OpenRISC [3] > 32 bit (these days 64 bit). LGPL. There are a few FPGA based > implementations and some specialist "real silicon" implementations, > AFAIK one on board of ISS. No idea whether one can buy "real > silicon" (at least as mere mortal). You definitely can. At least in a

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

Le 22/01/2016 17:34, Alberto Salvia Novella a écrit : libre hardware. that's far from new https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-hardware-designs.en.html I remember efforts done to have free cpu, but I don't think significant result have been

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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 7:15 AM, jdd wrote: > Le 22/01/2016 17:34, Alberto Salvia Novella a écrit : >> >> libre hardware. > > that's far from new > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-hardware-designs.en.html > > I remember

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Joel Rees: "Modern" CPUs have plenty of spare register space, most of it undocumented. Register space can be used to record something of state, allowing instruction streams to be self-parsing. Anyway I think this falls mostly in the hardware side. I liked microcode to be libre too, but I'm

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Just to clarify my participation in this thread -- On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:34 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Joel Rees: >> >> "Modern" CPUs have plenty of spare register space, most of it >> undocumented. Register space can be used to record something of state, >>

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2016/01/21 2:33 "Alberto Salvia Novella" : > > Joel Rees: > >> It supports neither your peculiar assertion that microcode is not >> executable nor your equally peculiar assertion that microcode is not >> and has not been a cause for concern. > > > Polynomial

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Joel Rees: It supports neither your peculiar assertion that microcode is not executable nor your equally peculiar assertion that microcode is not and has not been a cause for concern. Polynomial (http://tinyurl.com/hdtpa7g): > Let's assume for a moment that you could overwrite microcode in a >

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On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Joel Rees: >> >> Just for the record, if microcode can play with the CPU internal >> system state, say, the bits that specify whether the CPU is in >> supervisor or user state, there's not much to stop, for

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On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:59 AM, Anders Andersson wrote: >>> Just for the record, if microcode can play with the CPU internal >>> system state, say, the bits that specify whether the CPU is in >>> supervisor or user state, there's not much to stop, for instance, a >>>

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2016/01/16 1:16 "Alberto Salvia Novella" : > > [...] > > Firmware is a common concern because it can be overwritten by malware, have > malicious functionalities, or have back-doors. > > That has never been the case with microcode. It just declares the instruction > set,

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Joel Rees: Just for the record, if microcode can play with the CPU internal system state, say, the bits that specify whether the CPU is in supervisor or user state, there's not much to stop, for instance, a microcode update from providing an undocumented trap to a hidden routine in the BIOS that

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>> Just for the record, if microcode can play with the CPU internal >> system state, say, the bits that specify whether the CPU is in >> supervisor or user state, there's not much to stop, for instance, a >> microcode update from providing an undocumented trap to a hidden >> routine in the BIOS

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On Fri, 2016-01-15 at 04:57 -0500, shawn wilson wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2016 5:11 PM, "Zlatan Todoric" wrote: >  > > > So I think it is very important that we support AMD right now on what we > > > can, and ask manufacturers to include AMD graphics in those products. > > > > > >

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Dropping debian-devel@ from CC (not relevant for discussion, don't know for Ubuntu ones) On 01/15/2016 02:28 AM, Michael Haney wrote: > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > >> >> >> On 01/14/2016 09:11 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: >>> Nearly all

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Dropping debian-devel@ from CC (not relevant for discussion, someone should do the same checking for others) On 01/15/2016 10:57 AM, shawn wilson wrote: > On Jan 14, 2016 5:11 PM, "Zlatan Todoric" wrote: >> >> >> >> On 01/14/2016 09:11 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: >>>

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Removing debian-devel@ from CC (not relevant list for this discussion) On 01/15/2016 03:05 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> So I think it is very important that we support AMD right now on what we >>> can, and ask manufacturers to include AMD graphics in those products. >> You do realize that AMD

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On 01/15/2016 04:35 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Zlatan Todoric: >> Why just not open source it an be done with it. > > Because they need to support old machines that require an unchanged kernel. > > > Zlatan Todoric: >> It currently needs closed source firmware to run 3D. > > Not

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Zlatan Todoric: > Why just not open source it an be done with it. Because they need to support old machines that require an unchanged kernel. Zlatan Todoric: > It currently needs closed source firmware to run 3D. Not firmware, but microcode. It is just how the instruction set is handled in

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Zlatan Todoric: > Now you are defending them why they have closed source things that we > need if we want to properly use their hardware? What I am saying is microcode is more on the hardware side. Moreover what I am interested in is to set a tendency, rather than on things to change

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On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella < es204904...@gmail.com> wrote: > Nearly all compact Linux computers feasible for gaming are sold > exclusively using NVIDIA graphics, and that company is hostile to libre > software. > > So I think it is very important that we support AMD

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On Jan 14, 2016 5:11 PM, "Zlatan Todoric" wrote: > > > > On 01/14/2016 09:11 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > > Nearly all compact Linux computers feasible for gaming are sold > > exclusively using NVIDIA graphics, and that company is hostile to libre > > software. > > > >

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

On 01/14/2016 05:10 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 01/14/2016 09:11 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: Nearly all compact Linux computers feasible for gaming are sold exclusively using NVIDIA graphics, and that company is hostile to libre software. So I think it is very important that we

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > > > On 01/14/2016 09:11 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > > Nearly all compact Linux computers feasible for gaming are sold > > exclusively using NVIDIA graphics, and that company is hostile to libre > > software. > >

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

On 01/14/2016 09:11 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Nearly all compact Linux computers feasible for gaming are sold > exclusively using NVIDIA graphics, and that company is hostile to libre > software. > > So I think it is very important that we support AMD right now on what we > can, and

Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

Nearly all compact Linux computers feasible for gaming are sold exclusively using NVIDIA graphics, and that company is hostile to libre software. So I think it is very important that we support AMD right now on what we can, and ask manufacturers to include AMD graphics in those products.

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: > Nearly all compact Linux computers feasible for gaming are sold > exclusively using NVIDIA graphics, and that company is hostile to libre > software. > > So I think it is very important that we support AMD right now on what we > can, and ask manufacturers to