On Du, 27 iun 21, 11:50:59, Celejar wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 16:51:21 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Well, apparently lots of people[1] seem very upset about and hell bent
> > to change Signal's (the service) policies on federation, third-party
> > clients, etc.
> >
> > Why?
On Du, 27 iun 21, 11:27:39, Celejar wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 13:31:33 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > Could you elaborate on why in your opinion an entity providing a service
> > should automatically accept connections from third-party clients and/or
> > federate with other service
On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 16:51:21 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
...
> Well, apparently lots of people[1] seem very upset about and hell bent
> to change Signal's (the service) policies on federation, third-party
> clients, etc.
>
> Why? There's Matrix, that already has all that. Why insist that
>
On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 07:41:51 -0400
Dan Ritter wrote:
...
> Not enough for what? The primary issue I have with Matrix is that
> there's too much concentration of servers under the control of
> matrix.org - but I think that they believe that too, and that
> this will be rectified over the next
On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 17:02:10 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 26 iun 21, 14:05:04, Brian wrote:
> > On Sat 26 Jun 2021 at 14:14:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >
> > An interesting read. Countered at
> >
> > https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom
>
> Looking
On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 13:31:33 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 24 iun 21, 14:13:42, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> > At the other end is anything where you can't use a client or a
> > server that isn't produced/managed by the central authority.
> > Despite Signal making some of their source
On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 13:14:37 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 24 iun 21, 14:04:13, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > > On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > > > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include
On Sb, 26 iun 21, 14:05:04, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 26 Jun 2021 at 14:14:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
>
> An interesting read. Countered at
>
> https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom
Looking forward for them to prove Moxie wrong, really!
Kind regards,
Andrei
On Sb, 26 iun 21, 07:41:51, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> Sure. In my opinion, a communication service that does not
> federate with open-source clients and servers is a proprietary
> service, even if it is free-gratis to use. The owner of that
> service can do whatever they
Gene writes:
> I've found that switching fetchmail from pop3 access to imap access,
> restores that delete function. However that may be server dependent,
> my server at shentel.net is dovecot. Very few problems.
Google uses gsmtp, their own implementation. It's likely that they are
selective in
On Sat 26 Jun 2021 at 14:14:13 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Sb, 26 iun 21, 13:31:33, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Jo, 24 iun 21, 14:13:42, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > >
> > > At the other end is anything where you can't use a client or a
> > > server that isn't produced/managed by the central
On Fri 25 Jun 2021 at 19:29:31 +0100, mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-06-25 19:04, Brian wrote:
>
> > It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
> > ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
> > other ISP.
>
> It seems to me they do not honour the
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 24 iun 21, 14:13:42, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> > At the other end is anything where you can't use a client or a
> > server that isn't produced/managed by the central authority.
> > Despite Signal making some of their source available, you can't
> > write your own
On Sb, 26 iun 21, 13:31:33, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 24 iun 21, 14:13:42, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >
> > At the other end is anything where you can't use a client or a
> > server that isn't produced/managed by the central authority.
> > Despite Signal making some of their source available, you
On Jo, 24 iun 21, 14:13:42, Dan Ritter wrote:
>
> At the other end is anything where you can't use a client or a
> server that isn't produced/managed by the central authority.
> Despite Signal making some of their source available, you can't
> write your own Signal client and have it talk to
On Jo, 24 iun 21, 14:04:13, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal in
> > > > that
> > > > list.
> > >
> > > Why? Not blurry at
On Vi, 25 iun 21, 19:29:31, mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-06-25 19:04, Brian wrote:
>
> > It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
> > ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
> > other ISP.
>
> It seems to me they do not honour the "delete"
On 2021-06-26 03:31, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 25 June 2021 14:29:31 mick crane wrote:
On 2021-06-25 19:04, Brian wrote:
> It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
> ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
> other ISP.
It seems to me
On Friday 25 June 2021 14:29:31 mick crane wrote:
> On 2021-06-25 19:04, Brian wrote:
>
>
> > It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
> > ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
> > other ISP.
>
> It seems to me they do not honour the
On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 19:04:57 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 18:41:56 -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:03:28 +0100
> > Brian wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 14:04:13 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> > > > Andrei
On 2021-06-25 19:04, Brian wrote:
It is perfectly possible to send and receive mail via gmail without
ever encountering its web interface. That's no different from any
other ISP.
It seems to me they do not honour the "delete" request when collecting
from IMAP because in my case they
On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 18:41:56 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:03:28 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> > On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 14:04:13 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> > > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant
On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:03:28 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 14:04:13 -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > > On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > > > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to
On Thu 24 Jun 2021 at 14:04:13 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal in
> > > > that
> > > > list.
> > >
> > > Why?
Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> > On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal in
> > > > that
> > > > list.
> > >
> > > Why? Not blurry at all. Signal is just as
On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 01:25:37 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal in that
> > > list.
> >
> > Why? Not blurry at all. Signal is just as closed a system as
> > WhatsApp. Maybe
On Mi, 23 iun 21, 17:12:07, Michael Grant wrote:
> > Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal in that
> > list.
>
> Why? Not blurry at all. Signal is just as closed a system as
> WhatsApp. Maybe more private, but unless you know something I don't,
> Signal doesn't talk
> Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal in that
> list.
Why? Not blurry at all. Signal is just as closed a system as
WhatsApp. Maybe more private, but unless you know something I don't,
Signal doesn't talk to anything other than other Signal. Puppeted
bridges are
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 08:22:25PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 23 Jun 2021 at 07:52:02 -0400, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 07:36:33PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> >
> > gmail is a mail reader (like as Thunderbird, Mutt, Pine, or Outlook (the
> > program) + a mail server + domain
On Mi, 23 iun 21, 07:52:02, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> It's quite shocking to me to have conversations with young people,
> even into their early 20s who do not understand this distinction. And
> there are many people who do not understand the distinction between a
> standards based system such as
On Wed 23 Jun 2021 at 07:52:02 -0400, Michael Grant wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 07:36:33PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >
> > > In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it
> > > absolutely clear;
> > >
> > >
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 07:36:33PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
>
> > In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it
> > absolutely clear;
> >
> > gmail != email
>
> Nonsense.
>
> > or, in words;
> >
> > gmail IS NOT
On Tuesday 22 June 2021 23:46:24 Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On Tue Jun 22 11:11:38 2021 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> >>> In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to
> >>> make
On Tue Jun 22 11:11:38 2021 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make
>>> it absolutely clear;
>>>
>>> gmail != email
>>>
>>> or, in
Thank all of you for your replies,
Andrei's missive below was the fix I needed. After unsubscribing
"All-Mail" and one other folder, I restarted Thunderbird and my problem
disappeared. All my mail now passes through my InBox and is processed by
my local filters. Just what I wanted.
Gary R.
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 20:03:29 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 19:36:33 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> >It cannot handle email in a way *you* approve of?
>
> The way google handle electronic communication differs from the way the
> everyone else does it. Like I
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 19:36:33 +0100
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
>It cannot handle email in a way *you* approve of?
The way google handle electronic communication differs from the way the
everyone else does it. Like I said, there's huge overlap, but that
means there are differences.
Whether I
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 19:44:30 +0100, Tixy wrote:
> On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 19:36 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> [...]
> > All that google offer is for THEIR benefit, not yours.
> >
> > Continuing nonsense.
> >
>
> No it's not. A commercial
On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 19:36 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
[...]
> All that google offer is for THEIR benefit, not yours.
>
> Continuing nonsense.
>
No it's not. A commercial company isn't going to do anything altruistic
for our benefit, they do
On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it
> absolutely clear;
>
> gmail != email
Nonsense.
> or, in words;
>
> gmail IS NOT email
More nonsense.
> There may be vast swathes of overlap, but don't expect
On 2021-06-22 15:42, Joe wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 07:17:56 -0400
Gene Heskett wrote:
Doesn't your ISP provide an email server? In my neck of the woods,
its part of the services an ISP provides for a basic 10 megabaud
connection.
It's getting less common in the UK, mostly it comes only
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 07:17:56 -0400
Gene Heskett wrote:
> Doesn't your ISP provide an email server? In my neck of the woods,
> its part of the services an ISP provides for a basic 10 megabaud
> connection.
>
It's getting less common in the UK, mostly it comes only with web
hosting. Where it is
On 06/22/2021 06:32 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2021-06-22 at 07:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote:
On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to
make it absolutely clear;
gmail != email
On 2021-06-22 at 07:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to
>>> make it absolutely clear;
>>>
>>> gmail != email
>>>
>>> or, in words;
On Tuesday 22 June 2021 07:02:25 Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make
> > it absolutely clear;
> >
> > gmail != email
> >
> > or, in words;
> >
> > gmail IS NOT email
> >
> >
> > There may be
On 06/22/2021 04:44 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it
absolutely clear;
gmail != email
or, in words;
gmail IS NOT email
There may be vast swathes of overlap, but don't expect google to do
anything right.
All that google offer is
In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it
absolutely clear;
gmail != email
or, in words;
gmail IS NOT email
There may be vast swathes of overlap, but don't expect google to do
anything right.
All that google offer is for THEIR benefit, not yours.
--
Regards _
On Lu, 21 iun 21, 16:22:42, Gary L. Roach wrote:
>
> For some years, I have been using Thunderbird on Debian with no problems.
> Over a year ago I switched to gmail.com (Imap server) for my mail server.
> Everything went fine until about 6 months ago . All of a sudden I had an
> All-Mail folder
On 2021-06-22 05:47, mick crane wrote:
On 2021-06-22 00:22, Gary L. Roach wrote:
Hi all,
Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-16-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core
On 2021-06-22 00:22, Gary L. Roach wrote:
Hi all,
Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-16-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM
On 6/21/2021 6:22 PM, Gary L. Roach wrote:
Hi all,
Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-16-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM
Hi all,
Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-16-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM
Thunderbird 78.10.0(64bit)
For some years, I
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