Re: got new, claims linux compatible ethernet dongle.

2023-11-01 Thread gene heskett
On 11/1/23 13:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 01:40:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: Do we have drivers for this device? Nov 01 13:36:01 coyote kernel: r8152 1-9.1:1.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8153a-4.fw (-2) Searching packages.debian.org for this file shows

Re: got new, claims linux compatible ethernet dongle.

2023-11-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 01:40:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > Do we have drivers for this device? > Nov 01 13:36:01 coyote kernel: r8152 1-9.1:1.0: firmware: failed to load > rtl_nic/rtl8153a-4.fw (-2) Searching packages.debian.org for this file shows that it's in the firmware-realtek package,

got new, claims linux compatible ethernet dongle.

2023-11-01 Thread gene heskett
Do we have drivers for this device? Nov 01 13:36:00 coyote kernel: usb 1-9: new high-speed USB device number 15 using xhci_hcd Nov 01 13:36:00 coyote kernel: usb 1-9: New USB device found, idVendor=2109, idProduct=2817, bcdDevice=90.14 Nov 01 13:36:00 coyote kernel: usb 1-9: New USB device

Re: New to Linux

2011-05-01 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 04/21/11 09:21, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescuandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it to a noobie.

Re: New to Linux

2011-05-01 Thread shawn wilson
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/21/11 09:21, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescuandreimpope...@gmail.com  wrote: On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-25 Thread Christopher Judd
On Thursday 21 April 2011 21:15:11 Heddle Weaver wrote: ... Yes, I've found this to be exactly the case. I've developed a strong interest in quantum, chaos and game theory so I decided to up my math ability. Applied to the local tech. colleges and discovered that they could teach me

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for the Linux firsttimer.  I would never recommend it to a noobie.  With Debian, you need to know,

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org foldingst...@theowned.org wrote: Like I said, A Lot has changed in 12 years.  Debian is more friendly today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are friendlier, a lot friendlier. So, I stand by my initial

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.orgfoldingst...@theowned.org wrote: Like I said, A Lot has changed in 12 years. Debian is more friendly today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are friendlier, a lot friendlier. So, I stand by

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 22 April 2011 02:31, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org foldingst...@theowned.org wrote: Like I said, A Lot has changed in 12 years. Debian is more friendly today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread shawn wilson
On Apr 21, 2011 1:58 PM, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 April 2011 02:31, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: It's been my experience that most users never read the manual. Too much trouble. When something breaks, they find someone to fix it or tell them how to.

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 21. 04. 2011 18:21:09 je Patrick Bartek napisal(a): Windows users are accustomed to being lead around by the hand I thought that lead around by the nose was the correct (Queen's English) phrase. But then again, I'm not a native speaker. -- Cheerio, Klistvud

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Lisi
On Thursday 21 April 2011 20:03:00 Klistvud wrote: Dne, 21. 04. 2011 18:21:09 je Patrick Bartek napisal(a): Windows users are accustomed to being lead around by the hand I thought that lead around by the nose was the correct (Queen's English) phrase. But then again, I'm not a native speaker.

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Alan McConnell
A couple of comments. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: It's been my experience that most users never read the manual. Too much trouble. When something breaks, they find someone to fix it or tell them how to. No learning required. If someone tells you how

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Alan McConnell wrote: OK, a little survey here. How many of you use mutt, or elm, or Evolution(?), and do your E-mail right from your home computer? I do, and since my ISP -- not PatriotNet, incidentally -- gives me a dynamic IP address I

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Thu, 4/21/11, Alan McConnell a...@patriot.net wrote: A couple of comments. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: It's been my experience that most users never read the manual. Too much trouble.  When something breaks, they find someone to fix it or

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 22 April 2011 10:39, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Alan McConnell a...@patriot.net wrote: A couple of comments. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: It's been my experience that most users never read the manual.

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Heddle Weaver wrote: The logs, algebra, geometry, etc., that I was learning in my first year of high school, isn't taught here in Australia until after the third year of high school, now. To get anything better I have to drop work/career and go to university at a phenomenal cost. The

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On 04/15/2011 12:49 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote: FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for free from the Debian booth at Las Vegas COMDEX 1999. This

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Steven Rosenberg
not recommending them unless testing gets done with a significant sample size of users new to Linux first. If follow up study shows these users progress faster on their learning curves, then I'd recommend making these modifications. The bsd system has a learn utility that teaches several topics once

Fwd: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Heddle Weaver
Sorry. That should have gone to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.com Date: 19 April 2011 10:33 Subject: Re: New to Linux To: Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com On 19 April 2011 09:58, Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Heddle Weaver
On 19 April 2011 10:06, Steven Rosenberg stevenhrosenb...@gmail.com wrote: Practicing installing the system and doing it a bunch of times also helps a lot. Massive snip A bunch? I've done it a million times more than necessary and everytime I've learnt something. I've fallen asleep over

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-18 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Steven Rosenberg put forth on 4/18/2011 6:58 PM: On 04/15/2011 12:49 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote: FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for free

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it to a noobie. With Debian, you need to know, at least somewhat, what you're doing. For mere users (no administration)

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread foldingstock
Like I said, A Lot has changed in 12 years. Debian is more friendly today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are friendlier, a lot friendlier. So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it to

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread shawn wilson
On Apr 16, 2011 11:18 AM, foldingst...@theowned.org wrote: Like I said, A Lot has changed in 12 years. Debian is more friendly today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are friendlier, a lot friendlier. So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread Jude DaShiell
Actually, if a new user reads the contents of debian-reference before doing much else with Debian they'll solve that problem. The problem behind that is that debian-reference doesn't install by default on systems. A question like Are you new to Linux (y/n)? in the install script might

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-16 Thread Lisi
Are you new to Linux (y/n)? in the install script might not only install that package by default but also configure boot up sequence such that once all was finished booting the user would land inside the debian-reference application. I can't really predict what amount of pain would be reduced

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread shawn wilson
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animeshrishabh.anim...@gmail.com  wrote: I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Thu, 4/14/11, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animeshrishabh.anim...@gmail.com  wrote: I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread shawn wilson
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animeshrishabh.anim...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread Krzysztof Bieniasz
FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for free from the Debian booth at Las Vegas COMDEX 1999. This was the first year Linux had a major presence

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread Patrick Bartek
checking out Linux as my new OS of choice. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/494189.79181...@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-15 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Krzysztof Bieniasz krzysztof.t.bieni...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX (c. 1999).  It was a very good introduction and step-by-step guide to installing and using Debian.  I got it for free from the Debian

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-14 Thread rishabh animesh
Thanks Larry! I'll get hold of the book asap! On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:00 PM, ow...@netptc.net wrote: - Original Message - *From: *rishabh animesh rishabh.anim...@gmail.com *To: *debian-user@lists.debian.org *Sent: *4/12/2011 11:41:13 AM *Subject: *New to Linux Hello People

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-14 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animeshrishabh.anim...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable with C/C

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-13 Thread Steven
On 2011-04-12 18:41, rishabh animesh wrote: Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn more to help me get started

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-13 Thread Chen Wei
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 01:41:58PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: GPL doesn't promise future freedom when someone else legally buy's the rights to the source and changes it. That being said, Final versions of a program released under GPL or another F/OSS licence allows that snapshot in time of

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-13 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 02:32:23PM CEST, Chen Wei weichen...@aol.com said: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 01:41:58PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: GPL doesn't promise future freedom when someone else legally buy's the rights to the source and changes it. That being said, Final versions of a program

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-13 Thread Peter Beck
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 14:36 +0200, Erwan David wrote: The author (or the copyright owner, depending of the country) may change the licence at any moment. However, he cannot remove rights to people who obtained the software under GPL. a recent example is NoMachine NX4...they changed to closed

New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread rishabh animesh
Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn more to help me get started with the OS mentioned above! I need suggestions

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/12/2011 06:41 AM, rishabh animesh wrote: Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? What things? Have you yet actually *installed* Debian? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable with C/C

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread owens
- Original Message - From: rishabh animesh To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: 4/12/2011 11:41:13 AM Subject: New to Linux Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:41 AM, rishabh animesh rishabh.anim...@gmail.com wrote: Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Brennan
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either). i'd suggest debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu, and freebsd. then get virtual box and have fun.

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Peter Beck
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:53 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: You'll need VMWare or VirtualBox (VBox is free but because it's not Oracle owned, it's licence might radically change without warning why not KVM ? If your processor supports VT I would go for KVM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Brennan
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Peter Beck pe...@datentraeger.li wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:53 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: You'll need VMWare or VirtualBox (VBox is free but because it's not s/not/now (Dyslexia first thing in the morning caught me off guard :D) Oracle owned, it's

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either). i'd suggest

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Patrick Bartek
--- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh rishabh.anim...@gmail.com wrote: I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn more to help me get

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Jonathan Matthews
On 12 April 2011 16:34, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some popular

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Brennan
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Matthews cont...@jpluscplusm.com wrote: They got borged by Oracle, IIRC, leaving them with at least 3 different virtual platforms: virtualbox, solaris zones, virtual iron. Ooo, and maybe one more whose name escapes me. They also bought up Q-Layer, who

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread shawn wilson
I suppose my point was, get a virtualization platform and go to town. I disagree with the fears of some about vbox (at worst, it may go the way of LibraOffice). But use whatever really. Ps - knowing code has little to do with knowing a system. Than again I meet dumb as hell cs majors all the time

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Dr. Ed Morbius
on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? There's a two-step process, I recommend: 1: install Linux. 2: use it. Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/04/11 10:17, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: Hello People, snipped Um. So, are you asking a question or spamming your website? :-D A quick look at the about page on the main domain that the poster claims to have

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Doug
On 4/12/2011 8:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: Hello People, I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things? There's a two-step process, I recommend: 1: install Linux. 2: use it. Currently I'm

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/12/2011 12:41 PM, Chris Brennan wrote: [snip] As to Shawn's response: per the source of virtualbox - oracle owns it. however, it is all under a gpl type license exept the usb driver which is close source. GPL protect the current incarnation of a project, what's to stop Oracle from

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/12/2011 07:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: [snip] I have experiences with the Search Technology. I have also created a forum to promote programming among my peers where we organize monthly contests on this portal.

Re: New to Linux

2011-04-12 Thread shawn wilson
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 04/12/2011 07:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote: on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote: [snip] I have experiences with the Search Technology. I have also created a forum to promote

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-23 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-05-22_18:19:19, dwain wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca wrote: Hi, dwain I went back in the archives and read your original post. It is pretty clear to me from that post that you are a single user working on your own computer. There is no

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-23 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:03:23AM -0500, dwain wrote: hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i can't sudo into root. i can get into the synaptic package manager with the root

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-23 Thread Mark Shroyer
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:45:05PM +, Glyn Astill wrote: 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' is no more dangerous than having the 'su' binary available. The NOPASSWD option is not the default. No. For su they'd have to enter the root password, for sudo su they'd just have to enter the password of the

new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i can't sudo into root. i can get into the synaptic package manager with the root password and this has me a bit confused why i can't login as root in

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:03:23AM -0500, dwain wrote: hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i can't sudo into root. i can get into the

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread George
. George Randall From: dwain [mailto:dwain.alf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:03 AM To: debian Subject: new to list, new to debian, new to linux hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote: You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. # vim /etc/sudoers now you can edit the sudoers file and add your username. The new line will look just like the line for

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread George
-Original Message- From: Daryl Styrk [mailto:darylst...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:25 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:45:03AM -0400, Bob Parnes wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:24:49AM -0400, Daryl Styrk wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote: You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo.

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Thorny
On Fri, 22 May 2009 06:14:59 -0400, George posted: You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. If you want to install sudo you will first need to open a terminal and type: $ su $enter password # aptitude update - let it do it’s thing and it will tell you if

sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Mark Shroyer
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny wrote: You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make his system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is pretty much the same as running as root and is not recommended on a Debian system. It is what was

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread S Scharf
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com subscriber%2bdeb...@markshroyer.comwrote: It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log in on a separate, secure console, thereby eliminating the possibility of password sniffing from a

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 20090522183807.ga16...@markshroyer.com, Mark Shroyer wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny wrote: You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make his system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is pretty much the same as running as

RE: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread George
From: S Scharf [mailto:ss11...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:03 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com wrote: It *would* be safer

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 78582fa40905221202r3efedabege566a47c61144...@mail.gmail.com, S Scharf wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com subscriber%2bdeb...@markshroyer.comwrote: It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log in on a separate,

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Glyn Astill
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 8:14 PM In 20090522183807

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 857394.80354...@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com, Glyn Astill wrote: --- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: It's not equivalent to running as root, since (a) you have to prefix privileged operations with sudo, (b) you have to re-auth such actions by entering

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Glyn Astill
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 9:20 PM In 857394.80354

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In Friday 22 May 2009, Glyn wrote: --- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: Glyn Astill wrote: ALL=(All) ALL is a bad idea. Um, no. With 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' they would still have to type in their password unless they had recently given their credentials. If

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George nutn...@comcast.net wrote: I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my understanding the whole purpose of sudo is so the user only has root privileges for that

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:50:28PM -0500, dwain wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George nutn...@comcast.net wrote: I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my understanding the whole purpose

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca wrote: i too was disappointed. i tried su and authentication failed. how do i update my system without being able to log in as root? now i don't mind a spirited discussion on the pros and cons of sudo vs. su, but my

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Alex Samad
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:09:17PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:50:28PM -0500, dwain wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George nutn...@comcast.net wrote: [snip] A last resort would be: 1.physically disconnect the box from the network. 2.boot

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Neal Hogan
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM, dwain dwain.alf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca wrote: i too was disappointed.  i tried su and authentication failed.  how do i update my system without being able to log in as root? now i don't

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Frank Lanitz
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:41:57 +0200 Eugene V. Lyubimkin jackyf.de...@gmail.com wrote: Frank Lanitz wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200 Eugene V. Lyubimkin jackyf.de...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, Larry D wrote: This E-mail and any of its attachments [] This is off-topic, but any

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread David Goodenough
On Monday 05 January 2009, Martin, Larry D wrote: I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD. When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the Load from CD/DVD operation I get: An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software that can

New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Martin, Larry D
I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD. When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the Load from CD/DVD operation I get: An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software that can be loaded. I am not sure if this is an HMC or

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/05/09 08:20, Martin, Larry D wrote: I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD. When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the “Load from CD/DVD” operation I get: “An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software that can be

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Frank Lanitz
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200 Eugene V. Lyubimkin jackyf.de...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, Larry D wrote: This E-mail and any of its attachments [] This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly archived and therefore the noted message has no sense. Notes like this

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Frank Lanitz escreveu: I was referring to the confidential stuff ;) But you quoted Eugene's comment ont it, which made your message somewhat ambiguous as to what you were refering to. -- Eduardo M Kalinowski edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Frank Lanitz wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200 Eugene V. Lyubimkin jackyf.de...@gmail.com wrote: Martin, Larry D wrote: This E-mail and any of its attachments [] This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly archived and therefore the noted message has no

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Martin, Larry D wrote: This E-mail and any of its attachments [] This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly archived and therefore the noted message has no sense. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com Ukrainian C++ Developer, Debian

Re: New to Linux

2009-01-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 05 January 2009 14:20:16 Martin, Larry D wrote: I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD. When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the Load from CD/DVD operation I get: An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-05 Thread Dave Ewart
On Saturday, 04.03.2006 at 16:51 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Dave Ewart wrote: As I understand it: nVidia claim that they would *like* to open-source their drivers, but that parts of the driver code include code (and other patented/copyrighted stuff??) from third parties, such as SGI.

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-05 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took a look through, I used the first link in the email I was given (http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html) and under the heading, Stock or Custom Kernel? I ran the following in a terminal: apt-cache policy kernel-image-$(uname -r) and I was given

Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread travis . newton
Hello fellow Debian Users! I'm new to Linux and I heard good things about Debian so I decided to give it a try. I've actually been meaning to try it for over a year now, but I went ahead and downloaded the net install and got it installed. However, my previous Linux encounters were just tests

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow Debian Users! I'm new to Linux and I heard good things about Debian so I decided to give it a try. I've actually been meaning to try it for over a year now, but I went ahead and downloaded the net install and got it installed. However, my previous

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my problem: I need to get the kernel source to get the NVIDIA drivers in. I'm using Debian 3.1, the latest. You can try http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?highlight=%28nvidia%29 It is very sad that nvidia is not making their drivers open source.

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread david robert
try here good place for nvidia drivers in debianhttp://www.debianhelp.co.uk/nvidia.htm[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow Debian Users!I'm new to Linux and I heard good things about Debian so I decided to giveit a try. I've actually been meaning to try it for over a year now, but Iwent

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread H.S.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow Debian Users! I'm new to Linux and I heard good things about Debian so I decided to give it a try. I've actually been meaning to try it for over a year now, but I went ahead and downloaded the net install and got it installed. However, my previous

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread Dave Ewart
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: It is very sad that nvidia is not making their drivers open source. I wonder if they are really gaining anything in the end (with all the discomfort caused to their end users using Linux). As I understand it: nVidia claim that they would *like* to open-source their

Re: Graphics Drivers (I'm new to Linux)

2006-03-04 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
Dave Ewart wrote: kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: It is very sad that nvidia is not making their drivers open source. I wonder if they are really gaining anything in the end (with all the discomfort caused to their end users using Linux). As I understand it: nVidia claim that they would

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