Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread Wendell Cochran
Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:44:21 +0800 csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] debian-user@lists.debian.org and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread csj
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:08:14 +1030 Tom Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: csj wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: Wendell Cochran wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] : and here is really no

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread csj
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:50:02 -0800 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as the shift key is concerned, do you really contend that any phrase consisting of a misplaced sequence of english words that, by your own suggestion, might be rendered apparent in its meaning only through

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread ben
On Tuesday 19 February 2002 11:21 am, csj wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:50:02 -0800 ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as the shift key is concerned, do you really contend that any phrase consisting of a misplaced sequence of english words that, by your own suggestion, might be rendered

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread Tom Cook
csj wrote: [snip] Deviant is a politically incorrect term (but you're free to use it). Yesterday's conformists may well be today's deviants. Imagine somebody wearing Victorian dress to work or speaking Shakespeare at a board meeting. My apologies. I was aware of the incorrectness of deviant,

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-19 Thread Tom Cook
Wendell Cochran wrote: [snip] Here's the great precept of Unix: Let each command do one thing, do it well. That goes for English sentences, too. This is wisdom condensed, and is too great for me. Tom

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread Kent West
Carel Fellinger wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: [snip] and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread csj
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: Wendell Cochran wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] : and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread Tom Cook
csj wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 10:41:48AM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: Wendell Cochran wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] : and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 06:44:21AM +0800, csj wrote: [snip] i really really don't want you to construe this as any kind of xenophobia, but this phrase above just doesn't work in english. i have no idea what you meant to convey by this. I admit, I'm no english man,

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Tom Cook ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: ... This paragraph runs close to nonsense! Imagine (you don't need too much imagination!) if Micro$oft released a product which didn't conform to the relevant standard. No need for any imagination. Just see .sig (and weep). Dima -- Riding

Re: [OT] Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-18 Thread ben
On Monday 18 February 2002 02:44 pm, csj wrote: and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... For the life of me, I can't see what's unclear about this construction. apparently.

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread ben
On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:52 pm, Carel Fellinger wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: [snip] and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread MH
ben == ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ben On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:52 pm, Carel Fellinger wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: [snip]

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Wendell Cochran
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] : and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... i really really don't want you to construe this as any

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Tom Cook
Wendell Cochran wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] : and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... i really really don't want you to construe

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Sun, 2002-02-17 at 18:11, Tom Cook wrote: Here endeth the lesson. ;-) One can't help but be educated by reading this list... :) While I'm not a native English speaker per se, I'm about as close as one can get, and I still consider myself educated by that post! :) -Alex signature.asc

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Tony Crawford
Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in ridiculing anyone, even less someone who formulates his criticisms and suggestions constructively. Here endeth the lesson. ;-) How much is less than no interest? SCNR (BTW I'd guess

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Tom Cook
Tony Crawford wrote: Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in ridiculing anyone, even less someone who formulates his criticisms and suggestions constructively. Here endeth the lesson. ;-) How much is less than no

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 12:09:06PM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: Tony Crawford wrote: Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in ridiculing anyone, even less someone who formulates his criticisms and suggestions

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On 2002.02.17 16:50:32 +0100 Wendell Cochran wrote: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:52:42 +0100 Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] : and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... i really really don't

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Tom Cook
Eric G. Miller wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 12:09:06PM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: Tony Crawford wrote: Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in ridiculing anyone, even less someone who formulates his criticisms

Re: OT: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-17 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 01:27:08PM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: Eric G. Miller wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 12:09:06PM +1030, Tom Cook wrote: Tony Crawford wrote: Tom Cook wrote (on 18 Feb 2002 at 10:41): [You should be more optimistic.] There is no interest here in

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread MH
Dimitri == Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dimitri * dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:56:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: | Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, | who in turn depends on

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 07:51:32AM +0100, MH wrote: Dimitri == Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dimitri Besides, that wasn't my point. I was referring to all Dimitri those useless libraries that get installed because Dimitri somebody might want to * run $foo in xterm *

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Joey Hess
Colin Watson wrote: Because that wouldn't make him feel so l33t? It would also require him to actually read the changelog. * Depend on xutils to eliminate a godawful postinst hack which no longer worked anyway. This isn't my favorite solution, as xutils is big, but it will do for

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 01:06:02PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Colin Watson wrote: Because that wouldn't make him feel so l33t? It would also require him to actually read the changelog. * Depend on xutils to eliminate a godawful postinst hack which no longer worked anyway. This

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* MH ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: ... What's about filing a bug against bitchx instead of passively complaining here... I'm complaining rather actively (check the archives). My gripe is not with bitchx per se (I've only logged on to irc once or twice last year, I just did a dpkg --purge

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread dman
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 02:54:39PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: | * dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: | On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:56:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: | | Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, |

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 01:06:02PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Colin Watson wrote: Because that wouldn't make him feel so l33t? It would also require him to actually read the changelog. * Depend on xutils to eliminate a godawful

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread MH
Dimitri == Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dimitri * MH ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: ... What's about filing a bug against bitchx instead of passively complaining here... Dimitri I'm complaining rather actively (check the archives). My Dimitri gripe is not

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 01:09:31PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: Yup, I saw that. I get rather fed up with people who transmute a known, acknowledged issue into a rant about all of Debian though ... You didn't read my relpy to dman, did you?

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 12:51:48PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: As far as I can tell the bug is between maintainer's chair and keyboard. I don't see how filing a bug against $PACKAGE will fix that, I fully expect that bug to be marked wontfix. Ridiculing the guy in public, OTOH, might work.

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 12:51:48PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: As far as I can tell the bug is between maintainer's chair and keyboard. I don't see how filing a bug against $PACKAGE will fix that, I fully expect that bug to be marked

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 03:50:22PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: * Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: You are on crack. The maintainer's bug report against debhelper explicitly said that he didn't like the dependency on xutils. I'm on pot actually. I'm whining about a general QA

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread ben
On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: [snip] and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his criticism and suggestions ... i really really don't want you to construe

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-16 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Sat, Feb 16, 2002 at 06:37:23PM -0800, ben wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 06:33 pm, you wrote: On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:41 am, MH wrote: [snip] and here is really no interest in ridiculing anyone and less someone who would formulate constructively his criticism and

Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-15 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, who in turn depends on libaxw and so on (THIS BOX HAS NO FSCKING X!!!). So I have a suggestion: why don't we make ALL libraries required and just install all of them as part of the base system? (Well, sans non-DFSG-compliant

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-15 Thread dman
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:56:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: | Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, | who in turn depends on libaxw and so on (THIS BOX HAS NO FSCKING X!!!). It is a sugggestion, not a

Re: Suggestion for next Debian release

2002-02-15 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* dman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 12:56:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote: | Ok, now bitchx depends on xutils, who in turn suggests xfree86-common, | who in turn depends on libaxw and so on (THIS BOX HAS NO

Next Debian release

2000-08-01 Thread Yoav . Russo
Hi. When will Debian/GNU Linux 2.2 be releases? Which what kernel version will it be released? Thanks. Regards, Yoav Russo, QA Department. Aladdin Knowledge Systems.

Re: Next Debian release

2000-08-01 Thread Moritz Schulte
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:51:09PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When will Debian/GNU Linux 2.2 be releases? http://www.debian.org/News/2000/2726 moritz -- /* Moritz Schulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://hp9001.fh-bielefeld.de/~moritz/ * PGP-Key available, encrypted Mail is

Xfree86 3.3.3 for next Debian release or sooner?

1999-01-09 Thread Chris R. Martin
Just wondering if XFree86 3.3.3 is being considered for the next release (2.2) or not... I would really like to have XF86 3.3.3 since it contains an X-server for the Riva TNT chipset. Thanks, Chris

Re: Xfree86 3.3.3 for next Debian release or sooner?

1999-01-09 Thread Ed Cogburn
Chris R. Martin wrote: Just wondering if XFree86 3.3.3 is being considered for the next release (2.2) or not... I would really like to have XF86 3.3.3 since it contains an X-server for the Riva TNT chipset. Thanks, Chris Just go to xfree86.org, download the 3.3.3 Xserver (by

Re: Xfree86 3.3.3 for next Debian release or sooner?

1999-01-09 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Chris R. Martin wrote: Just wondering if XFree86 3.3.3 is being considered for the next release (2.2) or not... I would really like to have XF86 3.3.3 since it contains an X-server for the Riva TNT chipset. Yes, as soon as Branden is done with the X in frozen(slink), he

Re: Xfree86 3.3.3 for next Debian release or sooner?

1999-01-09 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
Just wondering if XFree86 3.3.3 is being considered for the next release (2.2) or not... I would really like to have XF86 3.3.3 since it contains an X-server for the Riva TNT chipset. Yes, as soon as Branden is done with the X in frozen(slink), he will start working on 3.3.3 for